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Thread: Have you ever been up 25% of your bankroll?

  1. #1
    This is another question from a thread over on the Wizard's site: have you ever been up 25% of your bankroll?

    There is some discussion about what is a bankroll and whether it's a total of all money available, or the amount of money taken for one trip, or one session.

    What surprised me is the large number of posters who said "no" and said they are usually up 1% or 2%.

    What are they playing? Just blackjack? No one plays video poker or slots or craps and hits a bonus bet?

    I guess if you are a blackjack player, being up 1% or 2% could be what you are looking for. But anyone playing video poker could easily find themselves up 10% or 25% or even 100% if they get lucky and hit some big quads or a royal.

  2. #2
    Alan,

    Do you really believe what you read there to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Personally, I think you're just trying to drum up conversation here. Bringing stupid conversations from there to here as a topic, only dumbs this place down even further.

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Alan,

    Do you really believe what you read there to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Personally, I think you're just trying to drum up conversation here. Bringing stupid conversations from there to here as a topic, only dumbs this place down even further.
    Well, he was successful in drumming up conversation. You responded.

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    I can't understand why guys like blackhole don't go to AP sites like bj21.com or blackjacktheforum.com and make these comments there. It would be quite interesting.

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    Since I'm not a blackjack player, is a 1% or 2% bankroll win considered good? If so, why not leave your money in the bank?

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    There is some discussion about what is a bankroll and whether it's a total of all money available, or the amount of money taken for one trip, or one session
    What's the consensus regarding bankroll?

    Is it an amount required to play a certain strategy forever?

    I can only recall one member defining a bankroll, and he ties it to a strategy that covers VP play up the the house limit.

  7. #7
    Bankroll is the total amount of money you have that is used or can be used for gambling.

    To be up 100% of your bankroll on one session would mean that player was playing $25 denom VP and hit a royal. Typically, playing $125/spin with a $100k BR is suicide (unless you have a very specific reason for playing that high denom which generates a significant advantage).

    Playing BJ, 1-2% increase in BR from a session is good (not great or awesome), and it's likely definitely above expectation. Why would you "put your money in the bank"? I don't think you can make more puffing it in a bank than you could playing BJ or other AP opportunities.

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    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    I don't think you can make more puffing it in a bank than you could playing BJ or other AP opportunities.
    Once again... where are all of these AP opportunities? And why do you avoid the risk of losing? Oh, I know, when you have an advantage play you can't lose, right?

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    RS_ is correct. Bankroll is defined as the total amount of money you have which you've earmarked for gambling -- meaning that if you lose it, you're done gambling forever until you make more money to replace it (which isn't used for other life expenses).

    If you have a big bankroll, it is very difficult to be up 25% of it.

    For example, if you have a bankroll of $300,000, you would have to win $75k in one session to be up 25% of it.

    However, take the working class guy who lives mostly paycheck to paycheck, and brings $200 to the casino, which represents his entire gambling bankroll.

    It would be very easy for him to win $50, which would be 25% in this case.

    That's the one advantage of playing with a very small bankroll. If you bust it, it's rarely devastating and fairly easy to replace.
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    Since Rob likes to report people to the IRS I won't mention this guys name. He had a 40K bankroll. There was a drawing promotion at the Wendover Nugget that this guy figured to be highly lucrative t him. He sized up the competition, other players. The drawing tickets were based on action. He knew he could dominate the drum if he ran the action on $5 denom NSUD. He had a 24 hour window to run the action so even though 40K is rather small to be playing at that level he knew he had no chance of RoR in such a small time frame.

    Two hours into it he held Queen-Ten of diamonds and came up with a royal. Four hours into it he held Jack-Ten of Diamonds and came up with a royal. He netted 37K on the play and almost doubled his bankroll. They say the guy left Wendover and holed up somewhere in the Northwest.

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    I had a 40K bankroll. There was a drawing promotion at the Wendover Nugget that I figured to be highly lucrative. I sized up the competition, other players. The drawing tickets were based on action. I knew I could dominate the drum if I ran the action on $5 denom NSUD. I had a 24 hour window to run the action so even though 40K is rather small to be playing at that level I knew I had no chance of RoR in such a small time frame.

    Two hours into it I held Queen-Ten of diamonds and came up with a royal. Four hours into it I held Jack-Ten of Diamonds and came up with a royal. I netted 37K on the play and almost doubled my bankroll.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 01-06-2017 at 05:22 AM.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I had a 40K bankroll. There was a drawing promotion at the Wendover Nugget that I figured to be highly lucrative. I sized up the competition, other players. The drawing tickets were based on action. I knew I could dominate the drum if I ran the action on $5 denom NSUD. I had a 24 hour window to run the action so even though 40K is rather small to be playing at that level I knew I had no chance of RoR in such a small time frame.

    Two hours into it I held Queen-Ten of diamonds and came up with a royal. Four hours into it I held Jack-Ten of Diamonds and came up with a royal. I netted 37K on the play and almost doubled my bankroll.
    When I hit those two 20K royals, the only 20K royals I've ever hit, I played the part of a dumass ploppie that got lucky. They asked me if I wanted my picture taken.

    "Sure" I said. "Gotta send it home and show the folks!"

    That was a bad mistake. The next day I walked into the poker room like nothing had happened.

    "Hey there, Mr. 40 thousand dollars!" one of the dealers said.
    "What are you talking about?" I asked.
    "They put your picture up on the marquee."

    I went out and took a look. Not only did they put my picture up there but they also put up my real name. So if you don't want your real name exposed--or don't want other gamblers picking on you for money--to the public then don't let them take your picture.

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    Hi Mickey:

    (Belated) congratulations on those Royals. The best I ever hit was a $4,000 royal. I always wonder why people would agree to be identified or pose for public relations photos after hitting jackpots and you have only reconfirmed the value of anonymity. I do remember some "complimentary" tournaments where the fine print states if you want to get paid, you must allow your image, ect to be publically disclosed. That would be the only situation I would have to agree to be publicized.

    FAB

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Once again... where are all of these AP opportunities? And why do you avoid the risk of losing? Oh, I know, when you have an advantage play you can't lose, right?
    Seek and ye shall find. I'm not going to spell it out for you. But even if I did, you'd say, "I'm not going to do that, I live in LA, not LV. How is that helpful to me?"

    I never said you can't lose on a play. You most certainly can lose and oftentimes will, depending on how good it is. If you're getting paid 2x on all 4oaks for 10 hours, it's quite unlikely you'll end up losing. If you're getting paid 2x on royals instead for 10 hours, you'll probably lose.

  15. #15
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    Seek and ye shall find. I'm not going to spell it out for you.
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    If you're getting paid 2x on all 4oaks for 10 hours, it's quite unlikely you'll end up losing. If you're getting paid 2x on royals instead for 10 hours, you'll probably lose.
    What amazes me is that APs will call "dice influencing" and "dice control" mythical yet they have their own unicorns that they swear they have seen.

  16. #16
    "Dice influence" or "Dice control" is a scam, con, rip off sold by scam artist hucksters.

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    "Dice influence" or "Dice control" is a scam, con, rip off sold by scam artist hucksters.
    No. It's a skill you don't have. And to be honest, I don't have it either.

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    ...And to be honest, you've been scammed by hucksters and con artists into thinking it's skill just like Slingshot here has been hoodwinked into believing Rob's system works. As P.T. Barnum once says...."There's a...", you know the rest.

  19. #19
    Jbjb of course throwing dice is a physical skill. And it's a skill few if any people have. If dice throwing is not a physical skill, what is it? Please explain your answer.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    you've been scammed by hucksters and con artists into thinking it's skill
    Wasn't regnis a DI shooter back when he was playing craps regularly?

    Is he considered a huckster or con artist because he had skill?

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