Have you ever been up 25% of your bankroll?

[coach belly]

Why don't you cut to the chase and ask or get after whatever it is you're after?

I'm after information, that's why I am asking questions.

You are not obligated to waste time answering my questions, you are doing so voluntarily.

Your initiative...not mine...was to interject by answering a question I directed to jbjb...not you.

So far you've been cherry-picking your way through my inquisition, you only seem comfortable answering the rhetorical questions.

That's a manifestation of you being one of those obtuse WOV geeks that they talk about on GF.

My latest question that you did not answer was,
does the impact of variance mean that the player will lose?

[mickeycrimm]

mickey, that's why you post all over the internet about "winning 6 figures a year" in Montana of all places. You know nobody's gonna ever meet you in such a location, so you can make up anything you think you can get away with from behind your keyboard. Even Dancer turned down your invite. You readily admit to leading a binge-drinking slug life, yet to you it's real to pretend how great that is.You missed the boat to a real life long ago. And you've been caught in your virtual life of today.

Rob, here's a quote from James Grosjean who many consider to be the best AP out there today.

"Some of my best plays are so far out in the middle of nowhere that my cell phone won't work."

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob, here's a quote from James Grosjean who many consider to be the best AP out there today.

"Some of my best plays are so far out in the middle of nowhere that my cell phone won't work."

That's wonderful for all of you APs and full time gamblers. But for the rest of us who need to be where cell phones work, and have jobs and families to take care of, and are worried about health care and insurance and pensions... what does this mean to me (us)?

[redietz]

That's wonderful for all of you APs and full time gamblers. But for the rest of us who need to be where cell phones work, and have jobs and families to take care of, and are worried about health care and insurance and pensions... what does this mean to me (us)?

I'm not sure how the AP's will answer this, but I'd say, "Don't play." It's not rocket science.

I don't see why this is hard. College football is finished. If somebody asks me why I don't bet college basketball, it's easy to answer "because I probably won't win." There's no trick to it.

If Boyd dropped all of their senior days and bonuses, I wouldn't play video poker there, and that's at least 75% of my video poker play. If they don't allow you to win, just stop.

[RS__]

I'm after information, that's why I am asking questions.

You are not obligated to waste time answering my questions, you are doing so voluntarily.

Your initiative...not mine...was to interject by answering a question I directed to jbjb...not you.

So far you've been cherry-picking your way through my inquisition, you only seem comfortable answering the rhetorical questions.

That's a manifestation of you being one of those obtuse WOV geeks that they talk about on GF.

My latest question that you did not answer was,
does the impact of variance mean that the player will lose?

I answered your question. Variance doesn't mean you will lose, just that you can lose.

[Alan Mendelson]

I think the APs shouldn't be playing. I never heard of a casino offering comps such as a pension, health insurance, or vacation to players.
The rest of us go to casinos to have fun. And if we get lucky it's even more fun.

[redietz]

Yep -- "Losing is fun."

Great tagline.

[coach belly]

Variance doesn't mean you will lose

But wait...

I don't win every session or anything like that.

sometimes you'll win, sometimes you'll lose.

The player loses due to variance.

If the +EV player will lose sometimes, and the loss is due to variance, then the impact of variance is that the player will lose.

Isn't that a correct summary of the quotes above?

About a "session"...

I've read on here that there is no such thing as a series of sessions...it's all one session...with pauses.

What constitutes a session, when used in this context?

he may lose in any given session.

[mickeycrimm]

I think the APs shouldn't be playing. I never heard of a casino offering comps such as a pension, health insurance, or vacation to players.
The rest of us go to casinos to have fun. And if we get lucky it's even more fun.

Like any other business owner an AP can put so much a year in a retirement account. Like any other business owner the AP has to buy their own health care insurance. Like any other business owner the AP gets no vacation pay.

[Rob.Singer]

Rob, here's a quote from James Grosjean who many consider to be the best AP out there today.

"Some of my best plays are so far out in the middle of nowhere that my cell phone won't work."

Of course Grosjean's gonna come up with a rap like that! Failed gamblers who just can't let go are prone to talking about how "successful" they are in places no true gambler would ever go to. It behooves them to create a perception about themselves which gets projected out to others, in order to create and maintain some sort of fantasy.

By the same type of token, take notice of what the two wayward ex-wov'ers--jbjb & RS__--try to pass off about themselves right here, as "winning AP's" who just can't explain or identify any of these supposed "+10% EV plays" that they "hammer to death".

Unfortunately for these and others like them, common sense always wins out.

[RS__]

But wait...







If the +EV player will lose sometimes, and the loss is due to variance, then the impact of variance is that the player will lose.

Isn't that a correct summary of the quotes above?

About a "session"...

I've read on here that there is no such thing as a series of sessions...it's all one session...with pauses.

What constitutes a session, when used in this context?

Those quotes are out of context.


Variance doesn't mean you will lose, but the more sessions you play, the more likely you are to have a losing session, where a session is defined as a short period of play.

You're trying to make the argument that because variance exists, you will end up a net loser. That's not how it works.

[coach belly]

You're trying to make the argument that because variance exists, you will end up a net loser.

I'm not trying to make an argument, I'm gathering information.

I quoted what you wrote...that the player will lose sometimes, and the player loses because of variance.

What context were these quotes made within such that they would not apply?

Unless the period of play is defined, how is it possible to know when play has ended?

a session is defined as a short period of play.

You've defined a session as an undefined period of play. What constitutes a short period?

I'll give you a hint:

the answer will be a numerical representation of time

[regnis]

Don't forget there are no sessions---just pauses for however long.

[RS__]

I'm not trying to make an argument, I'm gathering information.

I quoted what you wrote...that the player will lose sometimes, and the player loses because of variance.

What context were these quotes made within such that they would not apply?

Unless the period of play is defined, how is it possible to know when play has ended?



You've defined a session as an undefined period of play. What constitutes a short period?

I'll give you a hint:

the answer will be a numerical representation of time

And a typical playing session will vary. Sometimes it's a few minutes, sometimes it's a few hours, and even sometimes all day.


Yes, in general a player will win some sessions and lose others. This isn't "new" by any means. I'm not speaking in general -- I'm sure there are some people that have won every session and others who've lost every session.


You misinterpreted the quotes into thinking when I say "sometimes you win, sometimes you lose" to mean everyone will sometimes win and sometimes lose.

You're asking stupid questions and trying to get me to say 2 different things at the same time. I don't care much for this. If you have actual & legitimate questions, go ahead. But please, enough with the stupid shit.

[Alan Mendelson]

Yep -- "Losing is fun."

Great tagline.

I go to the movies with a date:
Tickets $17
Theater snacks $14 (no kidding, almost as much as tickets)
Dinner after $60
Gas $4

All of that was fun but money lost. It can be the same thing in a casino for those who have a budget for casino play.

[mickeycrimm]

By the same type of token, take notice of what the two wayward ex-wov'ers--jbjb & RS__--try to pass off about themselves right here, as "winning AP's" who just can't explain or identify any of these supposed "+10% EV plays" that they "hammer to death.

Rob, here's what a 14% edge looks like:

http://www.imgur.com/XWZYA7e

This game is called Jackpot Aces. You won't find the game on the Wizard of Odds site. I'm the only person that exploits this play. It's just a 50 cent bet but with a 14% edge so worth $70 an hour. Whereas 9 years ago I had a couple of dozen machines with this payscale on it I'm down to just two machines now. This game cannot be fully analyzed by any software on the market. I had to do all of that myself. That's the difference between you and I, Rob. I know how to do it and you don't. As a matter of fact, if you were to have punched this game up on a machine you would not have even identified it as possibly being a positive expectation game.

[Rob.Singer]

Have you noticed the recurring problem yet? Have you? Those other two guys won't identify anything likely because they troll the subject, and all you ever do is bring up stuff that is unverifiable and can't be played by anyone who lives in civilization. And at the same time you're claiming the state is smart enuf to take these things out, but stupid enuf to leave a couple machines in. Makes no sense.

[mickeycrimm]

Have you noticed the recurring problem yet? Have you? Those other two guys won't identify anything likely because they troll the subject, and all you ever do is bring up stuff that is unverifiable and can't be played by anyone who lives in civilization. And at the same time you're claiming the state is smart enuf to take these things out, but stupid enuf to leave a couple machines in. Makes no sense.

Rob, the glitch in the game is the Full House with 3 Aces meter. It's supposed to start at $10 instead of $100. As I said, I found the glitch on a couple dozen machines about 9 years ago. They have slowly fixed them all, except the two I have left. RS operates in Las Vegas. He is not about to expose the location of his plays online so other AP's can jump on them. But I think I seen a picture RS posted of a $12,800 royal on a dollar 8/6 Jacks. The royal is not what impressed me. The game was at 103.7% when he hit the royal. Throw in the meter speed, my guess is the meter is at 1%+, and it's a super strong play.

[jbjb]

He is not about to expose the location of his plays online so other AP's can jump on them.

If that moron thinks I'm going to expose where all of our weak dealers and strong plays are, he and anyone else is sadly mistaken!! He can make all the excuses he wants of "unverified claims" all he wants. The only thing "unverified" is the bullshit he spews. He's a jealous loser and damn well knows it.

We've got stuff even that asshole Eliot Jacobson does NOT know about.

[quahaug]

Rob, here's what a 14% edge looks like:

http://www.imgur.com/XWZYA7e

This game is called Jackpot Aces. You won't find the game on the Wizard of Odds site. I'm the only person that exploits this play. It's just a 50 cent bet but with a 14% edge so worth $70 an hour. Whereas 9 years ago I had a couple of dozen machines with this payscale on it I'm down to just two machines now. This game cannot be fully analyzed by any software on the market. I had to do all of that myself. That's the difference between you and I, Rob. I know how to do it and you don't. As a matter of fact, if you were to have punched this game up on a machine you would not have even identified it as possibly being a positive expectation game.

What card is wild?