Have you ever been up 25% of your bankroll?

[RS__]

Is this really why you don't believe that anyone can influence dice? Because they haven't also figured out the EV of various numbers? This is the most absurd thing I've ever read.

Tell me you don't think anyone has the fine motor skills to keep dice aligned in the air. That will make more sense than telling me your objection to the possibility of dice influencing lies in the lack of knowing how often various numbers are rolled.

That's not what I said, Alan. I said it does not help the DI people's case that they mostly all act like idiots (and are) when it comes to the mathematics of the game. It's absurd to take what most of them say seriously.

It's the same with Rob's system and I've asked for his evidence but he's shown none -- how frequently should he win $4k and how frequently would he lose the session roll....how often should he hit AWAK or bonus 4oaks....yet he's shown nothing about it.

On WOV, sometimes you'll see somebody post up some betting system. Someone will respond and say you'll bust out X amount of the time and hit your win goal Z amount of the time. Then the OP would say, "Yeah but how frequently do you lose 8 hands in a row! Thaysnlike never!".....not realizing they haven't a clue what the math even looks like.

[Rob.Singer]

RS__ you have such a poor comprehension level when it comes to how to win at VP.

You've been taught multiple times that the way I play the game has nothing to do with "showing evidence of how many times Rob's strategy will hit any particular hand (over time)." It has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that the bigger winning hands (aka, session-ending/goal-attaining winners) will likely have more of an opportunity to appear during the course of a single session.

The reason "AP's" like you and arci and wizard and Dancer etc. have never been able to consistently win at the game, and continue to reject my success at it is simply because your group won't take the time and ask the questions that'll help get you to the proper level of understanding. Instead, you can only apply long term rules to short term play, thereby distorting the effort from start to finish....something expected of any critic who approaches any problem with a closed, one-track mind.

[RS__]

RS__ you have such a poor comprehension level when it comes to how to win at VP.

Actually, I've been doing fairly well playing VP and other advantage plays. By mere coincidence, my analysis of the games I play nearly mirror my actual results. With that said, I think my comprehension on how to win at VP and casino games in general is where it needs to be (although always room for improvement).

You've been taught multiple times that the way I play the game has nothing to do with "showing evidence of how many times Rob's strategy will hit any particular hand (over time)." It has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that the bigger winning hands (aka, session-ending/goal-attaining winners) will likely have more of an opportunity to appear during the course of a single session.

Ah, why yes -- of course! Simply increasing the chance of a big winner is what makes you a winning player. Would it be too much to ask -- how much more likely?

The reason "AP's" like you and arci and wizard and Dancer etc. have never been able to consistently win at the game, and continue to reject my success at it is simply because your group won't take the time and ask the questions that'll help get you to the proper level of understanding. Instead, you can only apply long term rules to short term play, thereby distorting the effort from start to finish....something expected of any critic who approaches any problem with a closed, one-track mind.

Huh? What do you mean we (APs) don't consistently win? I agree -- I don't win every session or anything like that. But my bankroll has had a pretty steady increase over time.

[slingshot]

Oh dear true believer... you are in for a surprise.

Holding the kicker with the aces still bothers you-I get it.

[Alan Mendelson]

Holding the kicker with the aces still bothers you-I get it.

It bothers me because when Rob does it is inconsistent and will vary.

[slingshot]

It bothers me because when Rob does it is inconsistent and will vary.

OK. My final thoughts-this could go on forever. After watching my Dallas Cowboys unbelievably losing, it dawned on me what I'm trying to say. You don't use hail Marys while marching down the field- you continue with the game plan. But suppose it's at the last quarter with 3 seconds in the game? Will it work? Probably NOT! Do you expect it to work? NO! BUT IF it works- you win and look like a genius. And guess what everyone says- PURE LUCK!

[redietz]

This is the problem: he uses his strategies selectively. If they were so good, why wouldn't he use his special plays ALL the time?

LOL. Because then they wouldn't be special.

Wise up.

[a2a3dseddie]

You don't use hail Marys while marching down the field- you continue with the game plan. But suppose it's at the last quarter with 3 seconds in the game? Will it work? Probably NOT! Do you expect it to work? NO!

I like this analogy slingshot, but it looks like someone expects it to work...

It has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that the bigger winning hands (aka, session-ending/goal-attaining winners) will likely have more of an opportunity to appear during the course of a single session.

Or claims it has!

I don't lose and never have had a losing year since 1996

[Alan Mendelson]

Actually a special play is not a hail Mary. A special play is more like running five yards instead of passing for a touchdown. Example:

Dealt AAA3J in Triple Double Bonus. The correct play is the hail Mary -- hold AAA3.

Rob's special play is to hold AAA and to increase the chance for quad aces.

At $25 Triple Double Bonus Rob goes for $20,000 instead of the hail Mary $100,000.

Rob said in my interviews (see the videos) he always uses his Special plays. He changed that mantra when posting in the forum and when I questioned why he didn't use his Special play with that $50,000 photo from the Wynn.

The inconsistency stands out too much to be ignored.

[regnis]

My understanding is that the use of special plays depends upon where he is in pursuit of his win goal. If the 4 aces will attain the goal--no special play needed. If he is substantially down and needs the special play, he uses it.

[jbjb]

My understanding is that the use of special plays depends upon where he is in pursuit of his win goal. If the 4 aces will attain the goal--no special play needed. If he is substantially down and needs the special play, he uses it.

Now ask yourself this, "Why is he down substantially?" Answer...because he plays stupid on -EV games, chasing losses and not following proper strategy.

[regnis]

Jb--I don't care. Ain't got a dog in this fight. Just expressing what I think is the use of special plays.

However, for the millionth time, he does play the best pay table available to him. He doesn't intentionally look for a bad game.

[Alan Mendelson]

My understanding is that the use of special plays depends upon where he is in pursuit of his win goal. If the 4 aces will attain the goal--no special play needed. If he is substantially down and needs the special play, he uses it.

This is not totally correct. Some of his special plays give him smaller wins because he is dropping kickers.

[mickeycrimm]

Frugal Video Poker and Wolf Video Poker both have a function that can't be found on any other software. It's called "Tweak the Strategy Chart." I can move a hand in the strategy chart above any other hand, then analyze to get the statistics on that strategy move.

With Triple Double Bonus the optimal strategy when holding a hand like AAA3J is to hold the three Aces with the small kicker. This is reflected in the strategy chart as you will see that three Aces with the small kicker plays over three Aces. It's the same thing for the small quads, with 3332J the three 3's with the small kicker plays over holding just the three 3's. ?

With optimal strategy TDB has a payback of 99.58%.
The frequency of making Four Aces with a kicker is 14, 205.7
The frequency of making Four Aces is 6745.4.
The frequency of making Four 2's, 3's, 4's with a kicker is 5796
The frequency of making Four 2's, 3's, 4's is 3125.9

But what happens to the stats if we always hold the Three of a Kind's over the 3K's with the kicker? By tweaking the strategy chart I can get the stats. This is what happens when you never hold the kicker.

The game has an overall payback of 98.8%, about 8 tenths less than optimal strategy.
The frequency of making Four Aces with a Kicker is 16, 183.4.
The frequency of making Four Aces is 5775.
The frequency of making Small Quads with a kicker is 6815.2
The frequency of making Small Quads is 2534.

Comparing the statistics you can see that you improve your chances of making Four Aces or Small Quads, but you reduce your chances of making any of those hands with a kicker.

[Rob.Singer]

Actually a special play is not a hail Mary. A special play is more like running five yards instead of passing for a touchdown. Example:

Dealt AAA3J in Triple Double Bonus. The correct play is the hail Mary -- hold AAA3.

Rob's special play is to hold AAA and to increase the chance for quad aces.

At $25 Triple Double Bonus Rob goes for $20,000 instead of the hail Mary $100,000.

Rob said in my interviews (see the videos) he always uses his Special plays. He changed that mantra when posting in the forum and when I questioned why he didn't use his Special play with that $50,000 photo from the Wynn.

The inconsistency stands out too much to be ignored.

If you remember correctly Alan, you'd recall when I held 3332 and got the 4th 3, I did not make the special play of holding just the 333 because hitting four 3's would not have allowed me to recover enough to quit the session with my min. win goal, and a $50k winner obviously would. Regnis seems to be the one who has paid attention and has recalled why/when I use a special play correctly.

[Rob.Singer]

This is not totally correct. Some of his special plays give him smaller wins because he is dropping kickers.

You've confused yourself on this. It's always been about where I am in my attainment of a particular win goal. In any kicker game, four Aces would almost always get me to my goal so no need to hold a kicker. But quad 2's thru 4's is another story, and my hold usually requires calculations first.

[Alan Mendelson]

If you remember correctly Alan, you'd recall when I held 3332 and got the 4th 3, I did not make the special play of holding just the 333 because hitting four 3's would not have allowed me to recover enough to quit the session with my min. win goal, and a $50k winner obviously would. Regnis seems to be the one who has paid attention and has recalled why/when I use a special play correctly.

But Rob... holding 3332 was NOT a special play. It's what proper strategy says to do.

Your SPECIAL PLAY is to hold 333 and you told me you ALWAYS make the special play. Please see the video here: http://alanbestbuys.com/id195.html Specifically it's Special Play #16 for Triple Double Bonus

Now you're saying you don't? And the first time you said you don't was when you posted the photo of your $50,000 win at Wynn.

So... what you're saying now is that if you are in a really big hole, you won't use the Rob Singer Special Plays but you will use the Conventional Strategy promoted by Dancer, Scott, Grochowski and all the others, right?

My next question is: why did you get yourself into such a big hole? Wasn't the Rob Singer system working?

[mickeycrimm]

But Rob... holding 3332 was NOT a special play. It's what proper strategy says to do.

Your SPECIAL PLAY is to hold 333 and you told me you ALWAYS make the special play. Please see the video here: http://alanbestbuys.com/id195.html Specifically it's Special Play #16 for Triple Double Bonus

Now you're saying you don't? And the first time you said you don't was when you posted the photo of your $50,000 win at Wynn.

So... what you're saying now is that if you are in a really big hole, you won't use the Rob Singer Special Plays but you will use the Conventional Strategy promoted by Dancer, Scott, Grochowski and all the others, right?

My next question is: why did you get yourself into such a big hole? Wasn't the Rob Singer system working?

This is real funny stuff. Rob, do you use a consistent strategy or do you use a consistently different strategy. At which point do you use the consistent strategy and at which point to you use the non-consistent strategy? Please point that out, Rob? Point it out to all of your followers. The only reason there are so many readers here is because of you, oh great one Argentino. Please explain to them how if they follow your tactics then all their dreams will come true. Explain it to us, oh wise one.

[mickeycrimm]

What's the consensus regarding bankroll? Is it an amount required to play a certain strategy forever?
I can only recall one member defining a bankroll, and he ties it to a strategy that covers VP play up the the house limit.

Welcome, my kind friend, to the Twilight Zone.

[jbjb]

Mickey, coach has his nose buried so far up Rob's ass that he can smell what Rob last ate.