Casino discrimination to meet customer requests?

[Vegas Vic]

I don't play table games, but any of you witness this or suspect that it takes place?

https://www.bna.com/caesars-palace-double-n73014449358/

[Rob.Singer]

Of course this takes place. Caesar's isn't the NBA, the NFL, or a prison yard. It's a casino, and when many of their players are foreigners who live in places that aren't saddled with politically correct BS and aren't led by a racist like Obama (come on Jan. 20, 2017!) they tend to have sensible demands that render foolish nonsense like Affirmative Action and EEO meaningless.

[Alan Mendelson]

I can tell you that in the last couple of years, the older and seasoned and better craps dealers have been replaced by many younger dealers. I am sure some of that is from "natural retirements." I am not aware of any discrimination against older dealers.

Many of the new, younger craps dealers are female but today having 50% women and 50% men is expected.

[redietz]

Alan, please give me a sense of gender ratios for craps dealers as you have perceived them to evolve over the last 50 years. Which casinos shifted the gender ratios first?

[Vegas Vic]

Of course this takes place. Caesar's isn't the NBA, the NFL, or a prison yard. It's a casino, and when many of their players are foreigners who live in places that aren't saddled with politically correct BS and aren't led by a racist like Obama (come on Jan. 20, 2017!) they tend to have sensible demands that render foolish nonsense like Affirmative Action and EEO meaningless.

So, Affirmative Action and EEO is wrong and casinos should be exempt? You are indeed an angry old white guy.

[Alan Mendelson]

Alan, please give me a sense of gender ratios for craps dealers as you have perceived them to evolve over the last 50 years. Which casinos shifted the gender ratios first?

I can't tell you. I only know that craps was dominated by men as dealers, and there were a few women dealers and floor people. Lately I see more young women at the tables.

[Rob.Singer]

So, Affirmative Action and EEO is wrong and casinos should be exempt? You are indeed an angry old white guy.

Of course they're wrong because they're racist policies. But at least our prison system got it right.

Wise up.

[redietz]

Rob, like the prez, lives by the golden rule. Do onto others as you would have them do unto you.

If someone pisses you off, just open your mouth and gargle.

[Vegas Vic]

Of course they're wrong because they're racist policies. But at least our prison system got it right.

Wise up.

Spoken like a true racist. You are insufferable.

[Dan Druff]

This is a complicated issue.

Is it possible that the younger dealers are performing better, making fewer mistakes and dealing faster? That is to the casino's advantage to hire them, and it should be the casino's right to hire younger people more often if they perform better.

Now, I'm not sure how they go about hiring dealers. Are the dealers ever tested before being hired?

If so, then it would make sense the younger ones are, on the whole, performing better, and thus getting hired more.

If not, then yes, age discrimination may be occurring, as they may have chosen to hire younger dealers because they seem to deal faster.

I have mixed feelings regarding age discrimination in a casino.

In some areas, such as hiring cocktail waitresses, there definitely SHOULD be age discrimination, because that job is very much looks-based.

What about dealing? Well, that's kind of a tough one. On one hand, casinos can argue that dealers are entertainers, and therefore it's their right to hire the dealers that will make the games appear less dated and stodgy. Perhaps they can even argue that younger, more attractive dealers are more likely to get customers than old dealers.

At the same time, I feel bad for the competent dealers over 40 (and perhaps the nonwhite ones, if the allegations are true), who cannot get jobs simply due to their age or race.

But should a casino -- an entertainment venue -- be REQUIRED to hire older dealers?

I don't know. My gut right now says no -- similar to how the Vegas shows are not required to hire older dancers, even if they can perform the job well.

[redietz]

This is why we (used to) have unions, folks.

I have always had a soft spot in my heart for the WestGate (aka Las Vegas Hilton), which kept cocktail waitresses on staff who I recognize from 30 years ago. Not every transaction or decision can or should be justified by some appeal to a bottom line that is both nebulous and seemingly unaware of human dignity and loyalty.

[Alan Mendelson]

I can speak about the new young dealers at Caesars in the craps pit. They're nice kids, and some of them know what they're doing... and some of them do not.

The games are not necessarily any faster, nor are the payouts made faster or with fewer errors. I often see another dealer correct a younger dealer about the payouts, and sometimes I have to tell the dealer what I should be paid because they get "lost" with all of the action at the table when a hot roll is going on.

I also think the new young dealers are less "professional" because they spend too much time "chatting it up" with players and not paying attention to the game. So, they miss paying off some bets and players have to speak up. Sometimes the dealers are too busy talking among themselves about what's to eat in the employee cafeteria, or where they used to deal when they were starting, or talking about their weekend plans. The older, seasoned, professional dealers pay attention to the game and make the game their first priority.

To be honest, I avoid the tables with the young dealers especially some of the young women dealers recently hired and it's because I have been at their tables before and there are too many problems.

However, I don't say anything to management and I never would. But I have said things to the dealers to let them know that I know they are making mistakes.

[regnis]

I agree for the most part with what Alan said about craps dealers. The older dealers were held to a higher standard and were not allowed to talk among themselves as they do today. I find this particularly strange in that without a boxman, you need the dealers to pay attention. At Caesars properties in particular, the dealers are encouraged to be over friendly which I don't like. They don't take the game seriously because there is so little serious money being bet anymore. When there is serious money, they don't know the payoffs and they don't know how to act.

Alan will appreciate this one woman dealer we used to have here. Non craps players may not understand. Let's say you make a come bet and the shooter throws a 6. If you get your odds out quickly on the table, she would "put up" your come bet with the odds on the 6, and then she would immediately pay it with the other come bets that had already been up there. You never had to repeat a number. NO RISK!! She was also a teller at the race track. I never knew if she was doing this on purpose since she knew me from the track, or if she was just that stupid. Although she really was that stupid so I don't think it was intentional.

[Vegas Vic]

In some areas, such as hiring cocktail waitresses, there definitely SHOULD be age discrimination, because that job is very much looks-based.

There are some very attractive, friendly and competent waitresses who are older than these "look based" girls (who often provide no better service other than flaunting themselves). I'd much rather have good service than good looking poor service. Discrimination because of age is still discrimination.

[Rob.Singer]

You're out of touch. Cocktail waitresses in LV are by tradition, on the "hot" side. Nobody wants to be served by some old hag just because she has a bunch of class or great manners. The vast majority of males who want drinks from the waitresses in LV casinos are under 50, and they only care about T & A.

Now that we finally have a president who appreciates a fine young woman, this country will get back to the basics.

[james40]

You're out of touch. Cocktail waitresses in LV are by tradition, on the "hot" side. Nobody wants to be served by some old hag just because she has a bunch of class or great manners. The vast majority of males who want drinks from the waitresses in LV casinos are under 50, and they only care about T & A.

Now that we finally have a president who appreciates a fine young woman, this country will get back to the basics.

Absolutely correct. When are you dumping your old hag?

[EagleFly]

I can speak about the new young dealers at Caesars in the craps pit. They're nice kids, and some of them know what they're doing... and some of them do not.

The games are not necessarily any faster, nor are the payouts made faster or with fewer errors. I often see another dealer correct a younger dealer about the payouts, and sometimes I have to tell the dealer what I should be paid because they get "lost" with all of the action at the table when a hot roll is going on.

I also think the new young dealers are less "professional" because they spend too much time "chatting it up" with players and not paying attention to the game. So, they miss paying off some bets and players have to speak up. Sometimes the dealers are too busy talking among themselves about what's to eat in the employee cafeteria, or where they used to deal when they were starting, or talking about their weekend plans. The older, seasoned, professional dealers pay attention to the game and make the game their first priority.

To be honest, I avoid the tables with the young dealers especially some of the young women dealers recently hired and it's because I have been at their tables before and there are too many problems.

However, I don't say anything to management and I never would. But I have said things to the dealers to let them know that I know they are making mistakes.

Great points to be honest, but i do think that as it is in any profession there is always this natural transition when gaining and accumulating experience of course there should be a focus on the dealers paying attention to the game.

[Vegas Vic]

You're out of touch. Cocktail waitresses in LV are by tradition, on the "hot" side. Nobody wants to be served by some old hag just because she has a bunch of class or great manners. The vast majority of males who want drinks from the waitresses in LV casinos are under 50, and they only care about T & A.

Now that we finally have a president who appreciates a fine young woman, this country will get back to the basics.

After you first failed to insert "misogynic" before "president", you misspelled "degrades" and it came out as "appreciate".

[Rob.Singer]

Vic, all you just did is show how much Trump's historic victory annoys you, just like the whiners and crybabies on CNN and MSNBC--along with how official crybaby-of-the-year Martha Radditz of ABC--are going to have to continue to struggle with for 8 years. In fact, I watch these people often, so I can laugh at their self-created self-torture.

Pure music to my pure heart!

[Dan Druff]

You're out of touch. Cocktail waitresses in LV are by tradition, on the "hot" side. Nobody wants to be served by some old hag just because she has a bunch of class or great manners. The vast majority of males who want drinks from the waitresses in LV casinos are under 50, and they only care about T & A.

Now that we finally have a president who appreciates a fine young woman, this country will get back to the basics.

Rob is actually correct.

I don't need to ogle the hot waitresses, so I'd prefer the older ones who are more competent.

However, at the same time, it's disturbing seeing a 70-year-old in a miniskirt and low-cut top.

But I think the average gambler enjoys the experience of a hot cocktail waitress serving him drinks, and gives Vegas that sinful allure a lot more than having an older woman taking his drink orders.

These casinos have done a lot of research and, for the most part, realize what gamblers want.

There used to be similar discrimination when it came to hiring stewardesses on airlines, but that was back in the day when flying was an event and mostly restricted to the more wealthy. Now that flying has been reduced to being a bus with wings, most travelers don't care that much anymore how their stewardess looks (and there are male stewards now, too). I think there was also some kind of anti-discrimination decision about this a few decades ago, but I'm not sure.