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Thread: Casinos still make money from positive paytable video poker.

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    Good article from gaming writer John Grochowski about positive pay tables, and VP games that pay more than 100% and how casinos still make money because of small number of players who play correct strategy all the time.

    http://grochowski.casinocitytimes.com/

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    In line with this article: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011...their-time-mo/
    I found a machine at Palace Station that offered 10/6 DDB. It didn't offer the same value rate for your player's card, but who cares when the table was this good. BTW, I hit a handful of those 10x full house hands and it kept me in the game long enough to hit a quad Ace w/ kicker.

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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Good article from gaming writer John Grochowski about positive pay tables, and VP games that pay more than 100% and how casinos still make money because of small number of players who play correct strategy all the time.

    http://grochowski.casinocitytimes.com/
    You'll never get the entire, true story from a Grochowski article. He's an entertaining, but low-level, gaming writer who panders to the AP crowd, and he really isn't much of an authority on video poker.

    About 6 years ago I made the rounds for Gaming Today to all the LV casinos that had >100% vp games in their inventory. In every case, I was told any machine that was not making money for the casino was pulled--and that included the negative machines. So if you see a machine on a floor, it is making money for the casino. Period. The myth about how AP's play well enough and long enough to hammer the machines into oblivion is just that--a myth. No one plays close enough to perfection for it to make any sort of a difference, and the longer a session the greater the error rate.

    When I got Wynn to put in all those >100% games in 25c/50c/$1 (and that included FPDW) the local "teams" that included people like Jean Scott, completely hogged the machines for the duration 24/7. They received non-stop play from all these so-called "perfect-play experts" and in the end the machines netted a 1% profit for the casino. I wrote the article explaining all this and gave quotes from Wynn Mgmt.

    The machines were eventually pulled, not because of the self-proclaimed experts pounding them into submission, but because Wynn guests constantly complained about never being able to get a seat, and the Chinese family that played non-stop as a tag team noisily & sloppily slurped noodles and made themselves a sore thumb in such a fancy, classy casino. All this was documented by quotes in my articles.

    So you see, writers like Grochowski can theorize all they like about that which they know little about.

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    Rob, I think you should read Grochowski's article again. He actually agrees with you. He says there are very few who can beat the >100% machines. Rob, you can't say no one beats the machines, because you did... didn't you?

    Me? It's now more than 135-thousand hands since my last royal. I guess I'm at the wrong end of the bell curve... the end that goes clunk.

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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Rob, I think you should read Grochowski's article again. He actually agrees with you. He says there are very few who can beat the >100% machines. Rob, you can't say no one beats the machines, because you did... didn't you?

    Me? It's now more than 135-thousand hands since my last royal. I guess I'm at the wrong end of the bell curve... the end that goes clunk.
    You'd have had to follow him thru the years in order to know what he's saying. When he says there's very few who can beat the >100% games, he says so in the same light as a Dancer article would claim. IE, the only ones who actually can perform the impossible feat are the super-duper math-endowed "strong" knowledgeable players such as Bob himself--who puts on his "by slight of hand" show to those who want to ignore that his income has always been from working JOBS--and of course, a few others like our friend arci, who is even more impressive than those with names in the business.

    I have always said that no "AP" can beat the games unless they experience extraordinary good fortune with royals frequencies--ie, the exact opposite of what you are currently experiencing. So it can happen, only the AP's who win will never admit it is because of that. They prefer to pretend it was the math all the way.

    In my case, my strategy was indeed designed to win and win on a very consistent basis, and anyone who ever gets up the nerve enough to follow it properly will experience the same.

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