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    Hey, yesterday at harrahs ac I got 100* comp multiplier, my first. I made about 2600tc playing video poker, I played 6/5 bonus and 7/5 job, at 2.50 single line. The full pay games at harrahs give out 1 tc for $50. That's why I didn't play them. I lost 970. Was that good play and can someone do the math, does playing 6/5 bonus with *100 multiplier make it a positive game. I am diamond now and I can cash out 500$ a day

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    Originally Posted by lucky View Post
    Hey, yesterday at harrahs ac I got 100* comp multiplier, my first. I made about 2600tc playing video poker, I played 6/5 bonus and 7/5 job, at 2.50 single line. The full pay games at harrahs give out 1 tc for $50. That's why I didn't play them. I lost 970. Was that good play and can someone do the math, does playing 6/5 bonus with *100 multiplier make it a positive game. I am diamond now and I can cash out 500$ a day
    6/5 bonus? Damn, has Vegas gone that far down? Tahoe looks better and better. I don't know if it was positive or negative, but I don't know how I could make losing $970 come out to be a positive.

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    Originally Posted by lucky View Post
    Was that good play and can someone do the math, does playing 6/5 bonus with *100 multiplier make it a positive game.
    I'm not a Harrah's player, but the baseline Total Rewards comp value for video poker is 0.1%, so the multiplied value would be 10%. If you convert to freeplay at the $1/175 RC rate, the value drops to 5.7%.

    The house edge on 6/5 bonus is about 3.1%, so you were playing with a big advantage, except I'm wondering about promotional restrictions. Was there a limit on the amount of points eligible to be multiplied?

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    Originally Posted by lucky View Post
    Hey, yesterday at harrahs ac I got 100* comp multiplier, my first. I made about 2600tc playing video poker, I played 6/5 bonus and 7/5 job, at 2.50 single line. The full pay games at harrahs give out 1 tc for $50. That's why I didn't play them. I lost 970. Was that good play and can someone do the math, does playing 6/5 bonus with *100 multiplier make it a positive game. I am diamond now and I can cash out 500$ a day
    The way I would figure it is simply this:

    You said you lost $970. Are the comps you received with the 100X bonus worth more than $970, and if they are you came out ahead. Figure the comps for what you can exchange as free play, or dinners, show tickets, etc.
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    I'm not familiar with Harrah's tracking system. But with the numbers lucky gave, I'm trying to figure out how it works.. How much action, in dollars, was required to get 2600 tier credits? How much action gets 1 tc? Is the 2600 tc's then multiplied to 260,000 tc's (100X). If that's the case then the tc's would be worth $1486 in freeplay at a conversion rate of 1/1.75.

    If this was how the play worked then you should have pounded it for as long as you could.

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    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    How much action, in dollars, was required to get 2600 tier credits? How much action gets 1 tc?
    At the standard rate for vp, $10 coin-in earns 1 reward credit and 1 tier credit. Some vp machines require either $20 or $50, but he played the crappy ones to earn at the fastest rate. (Slots earn at $5 per.)

    So presumably he played $26k coin-in. A reward credit is worth a penny. Tier credits qualify toward premium status, which is important because higher status levels can redeem for freeplay at more favorable rates. He also earned a tier credit bonus, but he's probably nowhere near the 7 Stars level that would allow freeplay redemption at $1/125.

    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    If this was how the play worked then you should have pounded it for as long as you could.
    True, but it seems likely that a limit would be in effect. I found a couple other Harrah's properties that limit multiplied points to 200k, and sometimes vp is excluded.

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    Also, I think there's typically a lag of several days before multiplied points are applied, so if a promotional exclusion is in effect, it may not be obvious until after the fact.

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    Congratulations. In AC, the most they will multiply is $100 in comp value. Your 2600 TC is worth $2600 in comps.

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    K, this is what I found out, vp is allowed, the extra tc bonus is not multiplied and the limit is 5000tc. I am diamond so my conversion rate is 1.75 /1$. I have played bad game becoz they earn 1tc for $10. So looks like I will make some money provided I run good on 8/5 aces and faces, which is the game I will play. Next time if I get this offer, i will play low variance slot machines like cashmen

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    Originally Posted by lucky View Post
    I have played bad game becoz they earn 1tc for $10.
    Yes, I think I would have done the same under the circumstances. Hopefully you'll also receive valuable mail offers in addition to the comp points you accumulated.

    Next time if I get this offer, i will play low variance slot machines like cashmen
    I thought about that also. I would want to be sure to find a slot that pays back at least 90%, but I don't know if that information is available.

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    Tahoe has something like this in February. On Thursdays, you get some kind of multiplier, up to 100x.

    However, I saw on the fine print that you cannot earn more than 100,000 RCs ($1000) via this multiplier.

    So that's the most you could get per day there, AND your tier credits are not affected by the multiplier -- only the RCs.

    I imagine it's something similar in AC.
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    lucky: I think you left quite a bit of of money on the table, but it depends on your accessible bankroll that day.

    You should've tried whatever way possible to earn the 10,000 RCs on Thursday (for a total of 1,010,000 RCs after the 100x multiplier). Playing with a 4-5% advantage (assuming you convert your RCs at 1.75 to 1) is too good to pass up.

    There are "decent" $10 for 1 machines still available by Atlantic City standards: for example, 9/5 Jacks or Better Double Super Times Pay (98.95%) at Harrah's AC (25/50/$1.00). This game also offers 0.3% in "Return Rewards" bounce back cash so the payback can be viewed as 99.25%.

    9/6 Double Double Bonus (98.98%) is also available for full tier credits at Caesars AC at the dollar level. 9/7/5 Double Bonus (99.11%) can be found in Bally's AC Diamond Cove for $5 denomination and up.

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    Dan Druff: You're right on the 100K RCs part at Harrah's/Harveys Lake Tahoe (Feb. 2017), but the Mystery Multiplier is capped at 40X for slots only. Video poker play offers a fixed 3X RCs.

    Originally Posted by lucky View Post
    K, this is what I found out, vp is allowed, the extra tc bonus is not multiplied and the limit is 5000tc. I am diamond so my conversion rate is 1.75 /1$. I have played bad game becoz they earn 1tc for $10. So looks like I will make some money provided I run good on 8/5 aces and faces, which is the game I will play. Next time if I get this offer, i will play low variance slot machines like cashmen
    Last edited by nerakil; 02-11-2017 at 09:45 PM.

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    Hey nerakil, I thought the max was 5000tc for multiplier days. And yes due to bankroll I was only able to do 2600tc. R u sure about 10000rcs in ac ? And is it true u don't get the multiplier on bonus tc that u get. I can only hope they give me 100* again, coz I will be ready then.

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    Hi lucky, I've attached the e-mail terms below (you should also have this e-mail in your inbox). Only Reward Credits are multiplied, not Tier Credits or Bonus Tier Credits. You ideally would earn 10,000 RCs and 10,000 TCs in a day. You get an extra 10K Bonus TCs the next day and and your 1 Million RCs within 10 business days. Positive variance to you.


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    Originally Posted by nerakil View Post
    lucky: I think you left quite a bit of of money on the table, but it depends on your accessible bankroll that day.

    You should've tried whatever way possible to earn the 10,000 RCs on Thursday (for a total of 1,010,000 RCs after the 100x multiplier). Playing with a 4-5% advantage (assuming you convert your RCs at 1.75 to 1) is too good to pass up.

    There are "decent" $10 for 1 machines still available by Atlantic City standards: for example, 9/5 Jacks or Better Double Super Times Pay (98.95%) at Harrah's AC (25/50/$1.00). This game also offers 0.3% in "Return Rewards" bounce back cash so the payback can be viewed as 99.25%.

    9/6 Double Double Bonus (98.98%) is also available for full tier credits at Caesars AC at the dollar level. 9/7/5 Double Bonus (99.11%) can be found in Bally's AC Diamond Cove for $5 denomination and up.

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    Dan Druff: You're right on the 100K RCs part at Harrah's/Harveys Lake Tahoe (Feb. 2017), but the Mystery Multiplier is capped at 40X for slots only. Video poker play offers a fixed 3X RCs.
    Yea, I'm pretty sure that's correct. I was just up there and was thinking what I should do if I hit the 40x. It doesn't multiply tables?

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