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Thread: Found this gem about a few GT/ST columnists.

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    http://pokergrump.blogspot.com/2008/...-jobs.html?m=1

    The third person should be quite familiar.

    "Rob Singer

    This is another puzzling column. It is ostensibly about video poker, but on each of the few occasions that I've read it, the guy doesn't actually describe what to do in particular situations to optimize gains. (Clearly there are better and worse strategies for playing; a source I deem reasonably reliable asserts that the optimal strategy gets approximately 99% payback, and can actually be slightly profitable, once you take into account the incentives and bonuses offered by casinos on players' club cards. The casinos are relying on the fact that only a small percentage of players deploy a strategy anywhere near optimal. If all players did so, they would probably have to lower the payout schedule to keep the machines profitable to the house.) Rather, all he does is brag about the fact that he is a long-term winner at the game.

    In this week's column, as with the other couple I've read from him, he says that he is always being attacked by critics he disparagingly refers to as "the math people," who don't believe he could be as successful as he claims to be. He says that he has records to back up his claims, and, of course, the critics can't prove him wrong. He claims to be a "professional video poker player."

    To be sure, I haven't examined Mr. Singer's personal win/loss records, nor am I interested in doing so. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that he could upon request produce records showing a substantial profit over many years of playing in quantities approaching the hours of a full-time job. Would that convince me that he has found a system of play that turns video poker into a +EV game (neglecting here any points-based incentives offered by the casinos)?

    Nope. I would consider it far more likely that his record-keeping was deficient, either through intentional misrepresentation or the kind of selective neglect that is a temptation to any record-keeping gambler: Faithfully record every win, but leave out losses now and then, with a whole litany of excuses why they shouldn't be counted. (I am proud to report that although my poker playing has plenty of faults and holes, my poker record-keeping has been scrupulous. I have not even once yielded to the temptation to omit the results of a session on the excuse that it was an atypically bad or unlucky day, or that I wasn't really trying that day, or whatever. I have definitely felt such pulls, but have managed to force myself to include every painful loss.)

    The problem is much like trying to disprove alien abduction. Of course, for any individual story of such, it is possible that the alleged victim really was paralyzed and taken by a tractor beam up into an alien spaceship and given anal probes. (I saw it on the very first episode of "South Park," so it must be true!) I can't prove that it didn't happen. But the alternative explanations are, in my opinion, just a whole lot more plausible. They include, variously, people seeking attention and/or financial gain, delusions and hallucinations, and manifestations of poorly understood but natural physiologic states of sleep, influenced in their subjective interpretation by cultural norms and the experiences reported previously by others. (In other words, the same phenomenon that in previous generations would have been reported as a visitation from a succubus, say.)

    In Mr. Singer's case, I find it just as implausible that video poker game manufacturers have designed the games in a way that can turn them into your own personal ATM if you just follow the simple strategy (whatever it is; he doesn't seem to talk much about it) claimed by Mr. Singer to be a winning one, as that every night thousands upon thousands of people are being abducted and experimented upon by aliens.

    Look at it like this: If you were a casino owner or manager, would you purchase for your casino a machine that the manufacturer told you could be easily exploited by players to be profitable? I sure wouldn't. That would kind of defeat the basic idea on which casinos are built.

    That consideration leaves us with only four possibilities: (1) The machine designers and casinos are knowingly building, purchasing, and installing games that they know can be beaten by anybody who follows the Singer strategy. (2) He has stumbled upon a loophole that has not been noticed by anybody in any of the various manufacturing companies, nor by any of the casinos that install the machines and monitor their profitability performance. (3) He is either intentionally lying or somehow unintentionally deceiving himself about his actual long-term results. (4) He is the luckiest S.O.B. ever to walk the planet, with results many standard deviations from the mean.

    I find #1 and #2 impossible to accept, absent extraordinarily strong evidence (which no one person's results could provide). I have no objective way of distinguishing between #3 and #4, the only other remaining possibilities. But #3 strikes me as by far the less improbable one.


    I am, in a sense, envious that these hacks can get paid for writing complete bullshit and passing it off as helpful gaming advice.

    I'll leave you with this thought: If winning at gambling were as easy as these worthless columnists portray it, the casinos would all go bankrupt overnight. Casinos love players who are convinced they have a system that reverses the odds--because they're all wrong, no matter what some lying or self-deluded GT/ST columnist has written."

    I'm not taking sides here, but I found this quite humorous.
    Last edited by jbjb; 03-09-2017 at 07:58 PM.

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    Of course you're taking sides, which is why you posted this.

    There is plenty of criticism of authors who give opinions. I think they all get plenty of criticism.

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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Of course you're taking sides, which is why you posted this.

    There is plenty of criticism of authors who give opinions. I think they all get plenty of criticism.
    Criticism is due when someone makes egregious (false) claims. Not once has Rob offered to show proof. No math, no calculations, nothing. Just words, usually toxic at that.

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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Of course you're taking sides, which is why you posted this.

    There is plenty of criticism of authors who give opinions. I think they all get plenty of criticism.
    No, I'm not taking sides. I would've posted it even if it praised these three authors. I didn't say I agree or disagree with his take on these authors, including Rob. I just found it funny.

    P.S. I stumbled upon it from doing a search about poker player Alan Jaffray after watching a 2008 WSOP episode where they claimed he won $250,000 from a video keno promotion. Maybe Todd has more info on that. Anyway, it lead me to that blog which first talked about the lady claiming to play clumps of numbers.

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    Frankly, it doesn't matter to me if Rob really won what he says he won because I don't follow ALL of his system. Frankly, what I like and use is the simple plan to quit when ahead and to limit losses when you are not winning. To me that is basic common sense that everyone should follow.

    I do not use special plays (with the singular exception that I discussed here).

    I do not play his system of changing denominations, in fact, I do just the opposite: when winning I move up in denomination and not down.

    And I do not change games. I am pretty much a Bonus Poker or Aces and Faces player and that's it.

    But for years Rob published photos of big wins -- and you can't argue with those photos which the paper allowed him to publish and I am sure would not have allowed it they were bogus.

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    That article pretty much sums it up. I wonder if "Keno Lil" was included as one of the GT folks blowing some smoke?

    Look, guys, Gaming Today wasn't and isn't "The Mensa Guide to Gambling." It was and is an interesting fluff paper with quick reads on a variety of topics. The gambling stuff is low end and just for tourists. The sports info is somewhat more sophisticated, as it gets distributed in a lot of race-and-sports books. But nobody with a brain thinks the columnists are making meaningful contributions to how to win.

    A tourist paper isn't going to try to do that.

    My favorite columnist is Monti Rock. I'm sure he's Rob's fave, too.

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    No, I'm not taking sides. I would've posted it even if it praised these three authors. I didn't say I agree or disagree with his take on these authors, including Rob. I just found it funny.

    P.S. I stumbled upon it from doing a search about poker player Alan Jaffray after watching a 2008 WSOP episode where they claimed he won $250,000 from a video keno promotion. Maybe Todd has more info on that. Anyway, it lead me to that blog which first talked about the lady claiming to play clumps of numbers.
    I've never heard of an Allan Jaffray, but I have heard of Allyn Jaffrey Shulman, a woman who is now married to Barry Shulman, who owns Cardplayer Magazine.

    Is that who you're referring to?

    BTW, I've read that Poker Grump guy's columns before. He even wrote about me once (positively).
    Check out my poker forum, and weekly internet radio show at http://pokerfraudalert.com

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    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I've never heard of an Allan Jaffray, but I have heard of Allyn Jaffrey Shulman, a woman who is now married to Barry Shulman, who owns Cardplayer Magazine.

    Is that who you're referring to?

    BTW, I've read that Poker Grump guy's columns before. He even wrote about me once (positively).
    This guy...

    http://pokerworks.com/poker-news/200...-to-leave.html

  9. #9
    Thanks for that, jb. That was very informative and entertaining.

    Makes me want to shop for heels.

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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Frankly, it doesn't matter to me if Rob really won what he says he won because I don't follow ALL of his system. Frankly, what I like and use is the simple plan to quit when ahead and to limit losses when you are not winning. To me that is basic common sense that everyone should follow.

    I do not use special plays (with the singular exception that I discussed here).

    I do not play his system of changing denominations, in fact, I do just the opposite: when winning I move up in denomination and not down.

    And I do not change games. I am pretty much a Bonus Poker or Aces and Faces player and that's it.

    But for years Rob published photos of big wins -- and you can't argue with those photos which the paper allowed him to publish and I am sure would not have allowed it they were bogus.
    I don't recall ever seeing a picture of a Singer jackpot in GT. And IIRC, Keno Lil was actually a dude.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 03-11-2017 at 06:07 PM.

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    Selective reading. In this 2008 blog, this clown admits only reading just a couple of my articles, yet then goes on to say how I didn't explain the strategy. He expected it to be detailed in every column since 2001. OK, so then he could flip his confusing switch and criticize me for "writing about the same two things every week"....like the keno writer annoys him with. Mr. Blogger: ya gotcha dick in yur HAND!

    Then he goes on to complain how I never offered to "prove my winning" in a way that might come close to working a full time job. We'll, seems this idiot (who only garnered TWO comments at the time) missed the now legendary GT COLUMNIST LAYS DOWN THE GAUNTLET article in both GT and the LV Sun, where the proof of winning was offered in painstakingly detail to any takers. He also missed out on seeing how I only played one session a week, spent far less time on avg. than working a full time job, and the amount I won each year was a serious overall cut in salary & bonuses I earned when I did work.

    No--just like RS__ always feels better deflecting the issue of proof, he wanted not proof of financial gambling success trackability---he wanted to see the math behind the winning. However, just as no self-proclaimed winning "AP" has ever offered any proof whatsoever, he chooses to ignore that NO ONE can beat the casinos at their own game: math. It takes any winning player to have a strategy grounded in math, while having the ability to take it a step further by utilizing the luck in the most advantageous way. And no one wins without that luck.

    But unlike team player RS__ (who never plays with his own money like Frank Kneeland because he doesn't have any) this blogger, being totally unfamiliar with the strategy he preferred to blindly criticize, seems to relish name-calling over education and knowledge. Sounds like the looney liberals of today.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 03-12-2017 at 03:00 PM.

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    Rob, how are you coming aling with getting a casino to offer Bob Dancer 9/6 Jacks with 1% cashback? Just think of the feather it will put in your cap when they beat him.

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    Rob, what exactly was the bet you were trying to make with those guys?

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    You know, now that I think about it, I never saw any photos of Rob's jackpots in GT, either. I only read about three months worth each year, however, so I very likely missed the columns with the winning photos. Or maybe GT just had a policy about not posting photos of winners.

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    Jackpot pics in my column were infrequent. There was my $100k royal from Bellagio, a couple of $10 royals, a $20k hit on the $100 BP machine I think from Mandalay Bay, one $50k hit from Caesar's, and that's about it. That's over 8 years. They were also up on my site for 10 years. But don't worry: you critics would have made yourselves all feel better by telling yourselves "he's probably not telling us how he pissed it all away, and more, before leaving".

    The bet I challenged "those guys" with was that my meticulous gaming records, from A to Z, would absolutely prove that I won what I said I won to date as a professional gambler. The records were so complete and accurate that I even, as I've said, proposed that in the event there remained any doubt by anyone involved in the bet, I would pay for a court appointed arbitrator and both sides would accept his or her finding as 100% final. This was all in the article.

    The proof included my bank records of the initial $17,200 withdrawals from my specific BofA gambling account in Az. which I did every single trip; any $40k withdrawals at Bof A in LV that I needed to make when I infrequently had to play the $100 machines; the amount of the deposits put back into my gaming account immediately upon returning to Az. after every single trip; a review of my contemporaneous gambling logs which corresponded to my withdrawals/deposits to the exact dollar every single trip; complete details and review of each year's tax returns and the written IRS audit records & findings (there were several); any reviews desired at any casino desired with me present; any bank visits desired where we could review the accuracy of any records I presented; and it all came with a 100% guarantee that all the numbers presented in my bank statements, gaming logs, and tax returns all corroborated each other to the dollar.

    This was as complete an offer of proof of winning as there has ever been. At least neither I NOR (for the qua critic) either of my publishers have ever heard of such a comprehensive thing prior. Of course, a few have come forward claiming how this was all an elaborate, pre-planned scheme, where I had a separate account or stash of cash somewhere, and whether I won or lost or even played at all, I could have fabricated it all up into a successful gambling story by re-depositing those withdrawals PLUS this other stash of cash in a way to make it appear I won. I considered this nonsense beforehand, and when I checked with my attorney, he said no arbitrator would ever give that sort of scenario precedence over the presented evidence.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 03-14-2017 at 04:49 AM.

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    Rob, just for shits and giggles why don't you put up all that evidence here. You could shut us all up for good.

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    Rob, I remember the column where you said you hit 4 deuces on the $100 bonus poker game. I think you said it made you a little over a $2000 winner for the day.

  18. #18
    I also hit four fours on BP on one of them. The pic was included with one of those two hits. I don't expect you to admit seeing it in either case, other than to add in the critique "he then lost it all and more w/o saying a single word...."

    My win goal was always $2500 minimum. $2000 would not have cut it, so you remember wrong.

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