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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
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    Alan, KJ brought up the drawback of players blocking cards well before you did. And KJ isn't the only one to claim counting 2 tables. Many players do. So you are calling them all liars.
    .No I asked from the beginning for everyone to go look for themselves. You stop lying.
    KJ listed the drawbacks of counting 2 tables in post #299 of this thread. You made your first comments on it in #301 and you didn't bring up players in the way until well after that. Anyone can go back and check it on page 15. So who did you say was lying? Like I said, you don't let the facts get in the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I'd like to see how card counting is done from another table.
    The statement above is innocuous, not indicative of an anti-AP or debunking agenda.

    The reporter begins to investigate a claim, the replies are derogatory. Why?

    That's a red flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
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    I'd like to see how card counting is done from another table.
    The statement above is innocuous, not indicative of an anti-AP or debunking agenda.

    The reporter begins to investigate a claim, the replies are derogatory. Why?

    That's a red flag.
    It`s also a red flag seeing you walk into a Chuck E Cheese by yourself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    And you guys doubted that I saw a random roller throw 18 yos in a row? LOL
    Actually, no.

    Few "doubted" that you saw a random roller roll eighteen elevens in a row; rather it was patently obvious that it never happened.

    The word "doubt" implies that a question exists as to the claimant's accuracy in reporting an alleged event and their veracity in doing so.

    In regard to the "18 yo's in a row:" few if any such questions / reservations were harbored by those who heard your claim, as the event claimed was, quite frankly, an impossiblity in the real world.

    It was an absurd claim made by a person who revels in attention, most especially negative attention.

    Masochist?
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    Well the 18 Yo's in a row happened. Sorry that it was impossible, but it happened.

    And now that all of you including kewlj concede that if humans get in the way you can't actually "count" two blackjack tables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
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    All self-serving nonsense from one of the biggest bsers on the forum circuit. Axel loves to portray his anonymous self as some hot-shot/money-makin' "AP" who trots around town outsmarting casinos at their own game (the math, duh) but all he does is claim secrecy whenever anyone requests proof-of-claims. Then bocce come on in an obvious failed attempt to save face by giving the age-old excuse these ap's regularly throw out there about how they win and why they just can't release the trick behind their phantom bucks extravaganzas:THE MATH!!
    Your pal kew didn't help your cause very much by making that ridiculous claim about accurately keeping count at his and another table before jumping, did he axel. You see how stupid and foolish you ap's look to people who actually gamble successfully?
    I've seen axel in action on at least one play so can testify as to his ability to beat casinos. It was on a double time promotion at the Pioneer in Laughlin. The machines were quarter game kings with video poker and 4-card keno. When the machines went into double time mode(the double time lasted one minute) everything that paid from 60 to 150 coins paid double. The credits racked up on the machine so you didn't have to stop for an attendent to pay you. 60 coins was to high for a full house to qualify for double pay. The only thing in video poker that fit in the parameter was 4 of a kind on 9/6 Jacks.

    The 4-card keno was a max 4 coins bet ($1) on each card. The 2-spot paid 15 for 1 or 60 coins. So axel loaded each card with 2 numbers. In the one minute double time he could hit the deal button ten times. With the four cards that would be 40 games total at $1 bet on each. The frequency of a 2-spot is 16.63157 games. So it was rare not to hit 2-spots when in double time mode.

    A 2-spot paying 15 for 1 is a 90% game (15/16.63157 = 90%). So in double time it was worth 180%. In double time he got out a $40 wager. Thats an average profit of $32 per double time.

    One of the drawbacks to the play was you had to keep your machine qualified to be eligible for double time. When you played a game the border around the card reader would turn green. That meant your machine was qualified. If you waited 11 seconds before playing another game the border would turn red meaning the machine wasn't qualified. So you had to play a game every 10 seconds. The question was what game to play.

    If you played the keno you could bet just one quarter per card or $1. At 90% return it cost you 10 cents per game to keep the machine qualified. Then you hit max bet when the machine went into double time. But you could bet just one quarter on 9/6 jacks to keep the machine qualified too. It was a 98% game with the royal short coined. So it cost half a penny per game to keep the machine qualified.

    So axel played the 9/6 jacks during non double time. When the machine went into double time mode (about every ten minutes) axel hit the menu tab, then on the game selection screen hit the 4-card keno tab, then smacked the max bet button on the keno game. So it only cost about 30 cents to keep the machine qualified for double time. A 30 cent cost to make $32. And double time came around about every ten minutes. So the play was worth about $180 an hour.

    I witnessed axel putting down this play because I was sitting just a few seats away doing the same thing. The casino eventually got tired of us beating the shit out of them and changed the parameters on double time. They raised it to 120 to 250 coins. My idea was to switch to the 3-spot which had a frequency of 72. It qualifed for the double pay but it would take much longer to pull the money out of the game. Axel had a better idea. Play the same numbers on two cards.

    I was originally playing 1 and 2 on the 1st card, 3 and 4 on the 2nd card, 5 and 6 on the 3rd card, and 7 and 8 on the 4th card. I switched to playing 1 and 2 on the 1st and 2nd cards, 3 and 4 on the 3rd and 4th cards. When the two spot hit it payed 120 coins which doubled to 240 coins. So we beat the shit out of the casino some more.

    Axel made the comment earlier about AP's thinking outside the box. The above is a prime example of how some AP's think outside the box.
    So mickey--you saw this axel character play ONCE, and you choose to believe WHAT about him?

    Had you finished high school and gone to college, you'd find that spotting the type of bs he throws around--which s VERY similar to the type kew posts about himself--is extraordinarily easy indeed. These people float around from forum to forum portraying themselves as winners when all they are is losers....in gambling and life in general. Ask these fools what their retirement looks like, and guaranteed both will say "I don't care cause I never look out that far". Just like you used to say mickey, and now look at the pickle your useless life's in today in your declining years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
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    And you guys doubted that I saw a random roller throw 18 yos in a row? LOL
    Actually, no.

    Few "doubted" that you saw a random roller roll eighteen elevens in a row; rather it was patently obvious that it never happened.

    The word "doubt" implies that a question exists as to the claimant's accuracy in reporting an alleged event and their veracity in doing so.

    In regard to the "18 yo's in a row:" few if any such questions / reservations were harbored by those who heard your claim, as the event claimed was, quite frankly, an impossiblity in the real world.

    It was an absurd claim made by a person who revels in attention, most especially negative attention.

    Masochist?
    Notice how this idiot "Mr. V." migrated here like the other libtards from WoV did, just to make stupid claims so they could argue with Alan.

    Next we'll see "I would rather make a +EV bet and lose, rather than a -EV bet and win" AP Mike Shackleford pop in and beg for money from forum members like he had to do on his own site,, because all that "APing" he claimed to do didn't pan out so well. Phantom bucks really mean a whole lot, don't they!? And the only people who'd be stupid enuf to put money into the hat are these misguided collection of stray ap's....

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    Rob, I just don't understand why people don't have more respect for "the world's greatest vp player." Are they blind? Are they evil? Are they members of the Illuminati? Do they not recognize that will and character can overcome all sort of negative expectations? Are they (gasp) un-American libtards?

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    What amazes me is that I made no claims about the random shooter who rolled 18 yos in a row. As I said from the start -- I didn't make money on the roll and neither did the other two guys at the table which included the shooter.

    We all stood there, one 11 after another, in disbelief. None of us even bet $1 on 11.

    And so did the dealers who checked the dice twice during the 18 rolls. They were in disbelief too.

    I merely told about what I saw. I didn't claim to have won a million dollars. Heck, I didn't even claim that I rolled the 18 yos or that I could count cards on two blackjack tables simultaneously.

    It's amazing how devoted these "APs" are to their numbers that they can't even accept an eyewitness report about what happened? I wonder if they accept the bills they get in the mail? I wonder if they accept their tax liability, or do they say "this can't happen"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Rob, I just don't understand why people don't have more respect for "the world's greatest vp player." Are they blind? Are they evil? Are they members of the Illuminati? Do they not recognize that will and character can overcome all sort of negative expectations? Are they (gasp) un-American libtards?
    I've never taken a survey. I wonder just how many people do respect Rob because of his GT articles?

    I would guess that a lot of people remember him and do respect him. I would also guess that his vocal critics are not the representation of the majority view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    So mickey--you saw this axel character play ONCE, and you choose to believe WHAT about him?.
    Rob, there you go assuming things again. You know, when you assume things you make an ass out of u and me. Get it! Ass/u/me. HAHAHA!! I had to explain that joke to you because I know it went over your head.

    In 1997 I was new in the AP game. One of my favorite plays was the 18 machine linked bank of Flush Attack at the Riverside/Laughlin. I was in the learning curve on advantage plays and picked the brains of the AP's I met. One of the plays that got discussed was the $1 8/5 Jacks progressive in the high roller room at the Riverside, just two machines linked together. I was told that axel and his crew came in on it whenever it reached $42,000. They had picked it off several times in a row. The play was way over my head as I didn't have anything close to the bankroll required but I kept an eye on it because I had heard a lot about axel and his crew and wanted to get a glimpse of them in action.

    So one day the meter got up to $42,000 and there was axel and his crew on it. There wasn't much to look at, just two guys playing video poker. I went up to my room and went to bed. The next morning I came back down. They were gone and the royal was back at reset, $20,000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    What I also did was ask you to tell me which Strip casino I should go to? You wouldn't respond. I went to the Mirage because it fit your overall statement of a casino on the west side of the Strip between TI and Mandalay. And at the Mirage I saw and photographed how the BJ tables were all in a straight line and separated.
    This isn't an issue. I didn't answer because it didn't matter what casino you chose. 90% have blackjack tables next to each other. You chose Mirage. That is perfectly fine and would have proven exactly what I said, had you taken a picture from the middle seat as I described.

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    I also said that when I sat in seat #2 I'd have to twist my head (not the chair, my head) to see what was going on at the tables to my right or left.
    And HERE lies the problem! I said "I sit in the middle seat (for a variety of reasons). From the middle seat you are facing forward, not with your back to a table. This means you have a view of both a table on your right and a table on your left, by only slightly turning your head or eyes. I went on to say that because the middle seat sits back further than the other seats at your table (because of the curvature of the table), that no one at your table would block your view. AND...that at each of the other tables there was exactly one seat that could possibly block your view, seat 4 at a table to your right and seat 2 at a table to your left. I went on to say that in many case just shifting a couple inches still allowed you to see the cards on the table.

    Doe any of that sound familiar? Because I can go back and pull up the exact quotes.

    So I say the from the middle seat I usually have a clear view of the playing are of the other table. You then run out at 3am, and take a picture from seat 2 which shows the corner seat of the table behind you (remember sitting in seat 1 or 2 and the table is behind you....sitting in the middle seat the table is just a 45 the table is next to you and the playing surface about a 45 degree angle), so you run out and take a picture from seat 2 showing the corner seat of the next table blocking the view.

    Let's go over this one more time, just so there is no uncertainty. I say from the middle seat I have a clear view....you run out and take a picture from seat 2 showing no clear view.

    And frankly I don't think your picture was from seat 2, I believe it was from seat 1. The only way the corner seat from the next table can block you is if you also are sitting in the corner seat. Otherwise it is not in the line of view. So your shot was either taken from seat 1 or possible taken from seat 2 if you weren't actually sitting but rather standing and leaning (towards seat 1).

    But I am not going to haggle whether you were in seat 1 or 2 (possible moved seat 2 towards seat 1). The fact is I said I usually have a clear view from the middle seat and you run out and show an obstructed view from another seat. Can you explain that?

    If I said "On a clear night I can see Venus and Mars, would you run out at 11am the next day and take a picture of the sky and say "No, you can't". That's the equivalent of what you did.

    AND THEN...you proceeded to troll me multiple times, how you proved me wrong. Saying things like "you got caught buddy", and "It hurts to get caught, doesn't it Kewlj?"

    I said middle seat, you ran out and took a picture from another seat of your choosing. You did NOT prove anything, other than you intentionally were dishonest and manipulative. And I don't think that was by accident. I think you saw that a picture from the middle seat would show exactly what I detailed, so you chose to show something else.

    I would like to see your 3rd grade report card. I'll bet there are comments about you not listening and not following instructions. Probably a "does not play well with other" also.

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    Micky. Are you saying the dollar game payed twenty G's for the royal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Rob, I just don't understand why people don't have more respect for "the world's greatest vp player." Are they blind? Are they evil? Are they members of the Illuminati? Do they not recognize that will and character can overcome all sort of negative expectations? Are they (gasp) un-American libtards?
    I've never taken a survey. I wonder just how many people do respect Rob because of his GT articles?

    I would guess that a lot of people remember him and do respect him. I would also guess that his vocal critics are not the representation of the majority view.
    Alan, I do not know where you get your ideas.

    [I]It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts[I]

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    Quote Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    Micky. Are you saying the dollar game payed twenty G's for the royal?
    My mistake. It was $5 denom.

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    FAB--this started as a question from you about loss rebates. TROUBLEMAKER!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    Micky. Are you saying the dollar game payed twenty G's for the royal?
    My mistake. It was $5 denom.
    Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    It's amazing how devoted these "APs" are to their numbers that they can't even accept an eyewitness report about what happened?
    Ah, yes, because eyewitness testimony has been found to be extremely reliable, good point!

    That was sarcasm, FYI.


    Your brain and memory doesn't work how you likely think they do. It's not like you observe something happening and your brain memorizes properly as if you had taken a video then can "watch" it later. Rather, your brain has to chunk bits and pieces together, as if there were a bunch of blurry pictures and blurry short clips in your brain scattered around, putting it all together to something that makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Rob, I just don't understand why people don't have more respect for "the world's greatest vp player." Are they blind? Are they evil? Are they members of the Illuminati? Do they not recognize that will and character can overcome all sort of negative expectations? Are they (gasp) un-American libtards?
    I've never taken a survey. I wonder just how many people do respect Rob because of his GT articles? I would guess that a lot of people remember him and do respect him. I would also guess that his vocal critics are not the representation of the majority view.
    Alan, I suggest you join vpFREE and take the poll there. There are over 11,000 members and the forum is specifically about video poker. Rob used to post there so they are very familiar with him, his system, and his Gaming Today articles.
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    Hard to argue with mickey's suggestion.

    Seems reasonable.

    1) Survey vpfree. See what 11,000 people think of Rob and his system.
    2) Survey every gaming forum you can find in addition to vpfree.
    3) Call Gaming Today and see what the current staff and publisher have to say.

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