Any Experience with M Resort $500 Loss Rebate?

[kewlJ]

I'd like to see how card counting is done from another table. At Caesars Palace the only way is by turning around in your seat because the tables are side by side, and players are facing towards the middle of each table. To see the action at the next table you'd have to swivel at least 90-degrees in your seat.

By the way, I've never seen blackjack tables set up at any casino where players wouldn't have to actually turn in their chairs to view another table and there is a reason for this.

"Turn your chair to see another table"?? Seriously? I gotta say about half the stuff you post, Alan, I find myself saying "what?" or "hun?" or "what is he talking about?"

Atop my torso, in between my shoulders is my neck, which supports my head. While I don't know exactly all the details of how it works, my neck allows my head to turn from side to side (to see things). In addition my eyeballs are not permanently fixed looking straight ahead. They too move from side to side allowing for greater vision than just staring straight ahead. You should try this sometime, Alan. You will be surprised as to what you can see.....a whole new world.

Seriously, blackjack tables by design make it easy to see the next table. Because of their curvature, if you are sitting in one of the middle seats, as I like to, for a variety of reasons (having nothing to do with the cards themselves), the tables on either side are easily within your vision, usually without even turning your head. In addition sitting in one of those middle seats means that because of the curvature, players at your table will not be blocking your view of either the table to your right or left. By design of the table, you will be sitting back further than others at your table allowing for a clear site of vision.

The only possible blocking will be by someone at the other table sitting in the 4th seat if you are looking to your right and the second seat if you are looking to your left. First and third base are out of the line of view, middle seat far enough back that it also is out of the line of view. Only one seat at each table can obstruct your view and they actually are not obstructing your view of their cards, but could possible be obstructing your view of other hands. Often just adjusting yourself forward or back a few inches and you can find a clear unobstructed view.

But if not...so be it. There are times during crowded conditions that I can't track multiple tables, either because of obstructed view or because there are no seats available. It isn't something that is available all the time. Sometimes a casino, especially the smaller local casinos doesn't even have two BJ tables open. It's just something I try to do when the opportunity is available.

[kewlJ]

Please, I need to know. How many hands dealt do you have to see to know the count as an AP?

Short answer: One round. After one single round played, there is a count, positive negative or neutral. That information may (likely) won't be worth too much at that point. The more cards seen or played, the more valuable the information becomes. Because of this, most of your higher counts occur in the second (later) part of a shoe, but not always.

Jbjb is absolutely correct. Cards that you may miss, even if only playing one single table, if you miss a couple cards for some reason (like you aren't paying attention), those cards just count towards all the other unseen cards, essentially decreasing the penetration of the game.

[kewlJ]

Anyway, enough BJ talk. This isn't even a BJ threat. I just got goated into BJ talk by those challenging my credibility, so I apologize to the OP. I think there are ample threads for those "doubting Thomas's" without hijacking someone's Loss rebate thread.

[Alan Mendelson]

Kewlj thanks for the answer of one round.

I never said anything about turning your chair. I asked about turning in your seat.

How many times can you turn in your seat and fly under the radar?

How ma

[kewlJ]

Kewlj thanks for the answer of one round.

I never said anything about turning your chair. I asked about turning in your seat.

How many times can you turn in your seat and fly under the radar?

Alan....The table to my right is NOT 90 degrees to my right. The table lies at about 1:30 to 2'oclock on the vision 'clock', with the actual playing surface of the table more like 1:30. You DO NOT have to turn your body or your head or stand up and rotate to see that area. It's right there. Swing your eyes slightly to the right and/or possible move your head a couple inches (if necessary). It's NOT an aerobics maneuver! Don't make it seem like more than it is.

[redietz]

Huh -- it seems to me that the advent of flat screen televisions overhead, then, and scattered throughout casinos, must be a boon. You can get away with looking left, right, or out into space under the guise of catching the score of some sporting event just about all of the time. The scrolling info at the bottom of the screen even provides a rationale for squinting your brains out.

The ubiquity of clear flat screen televisions is one thing that really makes casino interiors different from 30 years ago.

[coach belly]

And with that....I am off to the next casino. I already spent about an hour longer than intended to here this morning.

Now you're back, so how about a trip report?

Those real-time reports aceofspades used to post were great.

[kewlJ]

Now you're back, so how about a trip report?

Those real-time reports aceofspades used to post were great.

I don't do trip reports concerning my daily play. Too identifying. If there was something unusual that I wanted to share, I try to wait a period of time, so as not to report in real time for that same identifying concern. However today, was absolutely nothing to write (home) about. I played 3 casinos, a total of 118 rounds, which is a very lite day, because I wasted half the morning on this site.

I lost a small amount at one casino (a couple hundred), won a similar small amount at a second casino and lost a slightly more modest amount at the third for a day's total of -787.50 vs EV of $135. The EV of $135 is the important part to me (very lite for a day's work), as everything else is just fluxtuation.

But we did have a delicious lunch at Suncoast. I can say that since I didn't play there today.

I too enjoyed and miss Ace of Spade's trip reports. While I didn't think much of his play from an AP standpoint, as using speed count is about as weak as you can play, perhaps it got him close to a break even game, and the comps and royal treatment he received from his level of play, made it worthwhile for him. I don't think he was in it for the AP angle. Anyway they were enjoyable reads.

[coach belly]

I played 3 casinos, a total of 118 rounds, which is a very lite day, because I wasted half the morning on this site.

Are you under time constraints of some sort? A scheduled rotation of where and when to play as to avoid detection?

[kewlJ]

Are you under time constraints of some sort? A scheduled rotation of where and when to play as to avoid detection?

Not really. I have a partner, business and personal, that handles all of our (supplemental) machine play. He doubles as my driver. I have a license and own several vehicles, but I don't really care for driving much (other than out in the country on open roads), so my partner does all the driving, which actually can cut down on my down time between casinos. Anyway, my partner has some health issues with his back, which causes some limitations. Occasionally on a bad day, he is ready to call it quits shortly after our afternoon meal.

Other than that, it is less a 'time constraint' as it is a preference. I like banker's hours! Heading out mid morning and home by about 4-5pm to enjoy the evening at home. However, only working banker's hours, would be wasting the opportunity of spreading my play among all shifts, so we do 'schedule' several days each month were we head out late afternoon and play evenings and schedule 3 nights a month that we play the overnight shift culminating with breakfast. I really dislike the overnight shift (all the sleezeballs, scammer, hustlers and pickpocket are out)....so I keep that to a minimum.

So the short answer is no. Today was just a little bit later start, resulting in a short day and little less Blackjack EV.

[Alan Mendelson]

Interesting kewlj. I haven't been in a casino where the tables are set up like that.

There are no overhead flat screens in Bellagio or Caesars or any casino I go to which would distract players and slow the table games.

I'm sure this isn't an AP secret so how about naming the casinos where you can peek at the next BJ table so you can count cards at two tables simultaneously?

[RS__]

Interesting kewlj. I haven't been in a casino where the tables are set up like that.

There are no overhead flat screens in Bellagio or Caesars or any casino I go to which would distract players and slow the table games.

I'm sure this isn't an AP secret so how about naming the casinos where you can peek at the next BJ table so you can count cards at two tables simultaneously?

Just about every casino which offers multiple tables of BJ when it's not jam packed busy.

[Alan Mendelson]

RS__ as I said I haven't seen tables arranged that way. Please name one casino that I can check out. I'm sure this isn't an AP secret.

[kewlJ]

Just about every casino which offers multiple tables of BJ when it's not jam packed busy.

Exactly! Thank you RS. I was thinking of listing about 35 casinos, but then thought that would be basically listing my playing rotation. It's painfully obvious Alan isn't following this concept.

Plus, I have already gotten a "danger, danger, Will Robinson" email from one of my online BJ buddies (who I didn't even know read this site) who thinks I have posted too much identifying info here today, so maybe it's time for me to cool it a bit.

[kewlJ]

Please name one casino that I can check out. I'm sure this isn't an AP secret.

How about EVERY casino on the west side of the strip from TI down to Mandy Bay. I don't play all of them regularly for different reasons, but every one of these casinos has blackjack tables next to each other. That's all that is required.

[Alan Mendelson]

I can drive to any one casino RIGHT NOW. Please name a casino with this set up. I'm going to take a seat and with my cell phone I will take a photo showing my view.

I'm a reporter and this is what reporters do.

What casino do I go to?

[Biloxi Bill]

I can drive to any one casino RIGHT NOW. Please name a casino with this set up. I'm going to take a seat and with my cell phone I will take a photo showing my view.

I'm a reporter and this is what reporters do.

What casino do I go to?

Why don`t you and Belly shut the hell up already....you sound like 2 old ladies

[Alan Mendelson]

Claims have been made. I simply want to see if it's true. Sure I could drive to a casino but I want to drive to the casino where our AP friends they can sit at one table and see the cards on another table without extraordinary measures.

Simple enough. Isn't it?

[kewlJ]

You want to drive to a casino, sit at a blackjack table and take a still photo looking straight ahead, as if you are some sort of 1950's robot. What, in your mind, do you think that is going to prove or disprove?

What it proves to me is that you are not understanding what is being described. What I haven't figured out is whether you truly aren't comprehending or whether it is some sort of unwillingness to understand. I get the feeling it is the latter.

Many times when a discussion reaches this point of failure to communicate or failure to comprehend what is being communicated, one party will ask the other if English is your first language, thinking maybe there is a language barrier. Since I know you understand English, I will refrain from that, but instead I will ask "Is this your home planet?".....because you seem like you are from another world to me.

"There is none so blind as those who will not see". I am afraid, I have run out of patience and am done playing games and wasting time on you, Mr. Mendelson.

[kewlJ]

To my good friend Mickey Crimm, I must ask: Why on earth did you recommend this site? There are more people in denial and 'alternative realities' here, than any site we have participated at.