Any Experience with M Resort $500 Loss Rebate?

[Alan Mendelson]

What I am going to do is sit at a blackjack table and see if while sitting in the chair and turning in the seat (not turning the chair) I have a view of the cards or where the cards would be on any other blackjack table.

Frankly, Unless I am a very tall person (I'm really 5' 10") I doubt my eye level is going to allow me to see the exposed cards on any other table. A photo taken at my eye level will show me and the others if it is possible.

Why are you not agreeing to this simple test?

Name the casino. I'm here in Vegas ready to go.

[Alan Mendelson]

I went to the Mirage at 3am. The blackjack pit was empty. I sat at a table in seat #2. I turned to the table on my right and took a photo from eye level. Obviously there were no players to get in the way. Now, tell me, can you see what the cards would be?

[blackhole]

To my good friend Mickey Crimm, I must ask: Why on earth did you recommend this site? There are more people in denial and 'alternative realities' here, than any site we have participated at.

If you haven’t noticed after visiting and participating in several different forums, it appears to be the same small group (give or take) of alleged self-proclaimed AP’s talking endless un-proven AP shit. Axelwolf, Wizardofnothing, RS, you, jbjb, and the rest of that same group want for some reason to brag across the internet about how smart they are, yet can’t and won’t prove a single word. I know, I know, they can’t. So, explain why they would even want to post anything on any forum.

I know you personally feel obligated to share your experiences simply to help and groom future AP wannabes who may have the wrong idea of card-counting. Yet, other than sharing your alleged income, you really don’t share much about anything else with regards to your success. We know some basics things like you play cards, your partner drives and plays slots for comps. You just reveled you could count two tables at once. But, you really don’t share much of anything else. So, what actually is the reason for you posting here. If I wanted to be a successful card-counter like you, based on what your printing I might as well walk around with my finger in my ass.

Axelwolf claims he recruits team members from these sites. Imagine there is so much money to be made playing slots you need a team. Wizardofnothing is just a windbag with flapping lips.

So, when this same little group comes to where experienced veteran gamblers post, what are you expecting? Not that this site isn’t full mostly of bullshit like all the others, but the AP bullshit won’t go unchallenged here.

[Alan Mendelson]

This claim about being single-handedly being able to count two tables requires not only super-vision but also x-ray vision. And if another player or two isn't in the way what good is your limited count.

Tell me I'm wrong. I dare you.

[Alan Mendelson]

Honestly, can you possibly see what the cards would be if dealt on the table? Remember, this photo is taken with NO players at the table.

[quahaug]

To my good friend Mickey Crimm, I must ask: Why on earth did you recommend this site? There are more people in denial and 'alternative realities' here, than any site we have participated at.

I find Alan to be hilarious. It's hard to believe Alan could be as dumb and thick headed as he acts so is he just putting us on and having a good laugh? If he's not putting us on then how on earth could he be as successful as he claims. (of course he's never actually PROVED any of his claims) So please stick around for my sake, I love a good laugh too.

[Alan Mendelson]

Yeah like my photos at the Mirage don't reveal the truth?

There must be a code of honor for wanna be APs:

"Thou shalt not criticize another wanna be AP in order to be part of the club."

One player counts at two tables. LOL
He messed up. He should have said his partner counts at the other table for him. That would have passed.

Sorry you guys don't make the 6 o'clock news. None of you. I'm just giving you the real world test of your baloney.

[coach belly]

There must be a code of honor for wanna be APs:

"Thou shalt not criticize another wanna be AP in order to be part of the club."

This is a case of "shoot the messenger".

An extraordinary claim is made, the reporter investigates without prejudice, and is insulted when he presents his findings.

The statement below, made before the investigation, strikes me as deliberately dishonest...it's a red flag...

You want to drive to a casino, sit at a blackjack table and take a still photo looking straight ahead, as if you are some sort of 1950's robot

[RS__]

This is the funniest shit I've read (with pictures to boot) recently. Keep it up, Alan, you're one great reporter. lol


By the way, the Earth is a sphere (well, technically it's a little chunky in the middle so not a perfect sphere necessarily). You want to disprove my claim by taking a picture outside and seeing the ground is nice 'n flat? Go ahead!

[RS__]

It might be time for Alan to join the Rob Stringer club of being on my ignore/blocked list. But I'll give Alan another chance before he gets added.....I'm a nice guy after all.

[Alan Mendelson]

Let me tell you something: it's me, people who are honest, and then the rest of you casino "APs" and in the real world you casino APs lose.

Anyone can do what I did. Go sit at a blackjack table and look for yourself.

Unless you have super vision and xray vision when a player is in the way you can't count two tables.

Not only that, how do you coordinate looking from your table to the next table? Are the dealers in sync with what they do?

You guys are so full of crap. My advise is DON'T TELL ANYBODY what you claim here. Keep it to yourself and your little club. Do you have club rings? A secret handshake?

The real world doesn't believe your baloney.

And now the kicker: I spoke to a couple of real card counters before I made my trip to the casino to take the photos. They laughed when I told them the claim. As one of them said "if it were only that easy."

Yeah, keep up your charades. You won't make the 6 o'clock news.

[mickeycrimm]

To my good friend Mickey Crimm, I must ask: Why on earth did you recommend this site? There are more people in denial and 'alternative realities' here, than any site we have participated at.

Yes, but I think what goes on here is not only comical but also educational. Alan is the foil for AP's. He's much more polite than Singer and does ask probing questions which Singer never does. You can see Alan's intent is to debunk AP's. That's fine with me. Alan can be hard-headed but he does pull a lot of information from AP's on this site with his questions. Just look at the things you have posted here. It gives people a lot of insight into what we do. Alan, or BH or Belly or Singer may not believe the stuff we post on strategic gambling but take a look at the viewership. There are a lot of people watching this forum though they don't participate. I put up with all the putdowns I get here because I know there is a viewership. And KJ, that viewership is reading everything Alan and his crew write plus everything the AP's write. There will always be non-believers about the moon landing, the Kennedy assasination, and about AP's. The viewership here will make up their own minds about us. And I can live with that. I think you should hang in there, put up with their comical abuse, because you are getting though to some of the viewership.

[jbjb]

To my good friend Mickey Crimm, I must ask: Why on earth did you recommend this site? There are more people in denial and 'alternative realities' here, than any site we have participated at.

If you haven’t noticed after visiting and participating in several different forums, it appears to be the same small group (give or take) of alleged self-proclaimed AP’s talking endless un-proven AP shit. Axelwolf, Wizardofnothing, RS, you, jbjb, and the rest of that same group want for some reason to brag across the internet about how smart they are, yet can’t and won’t prove a single word. I know, I know, they can’t. So, explain why they would even want to post anything on any forum.

I know you personally feel obligated to share your experiences simply to help and groom future AP wannabes who may have the wrong idea of card-counting. Yet, other than sharing your alleged income, you really don’t share much about anything else with regards to your success. We know some basics things like you play cards, your partner drives and plays slots for comps. You just reveled you could count two tables at once. But, you really don’t share much of anything else. So, what actually is the reason for you posting here. If I wanted to be a successful card-counter like you, based on what your printing I might as well walk around with my finger in my ass.

Axelwolf claims he recruits team members from these sites. Imagine there is so much money to be made playing slots you need a team. Wizardofnothing is just a windbag with flapping lips.

So, when this same little group comes to where experienced veteran gamblers post, what are you expecting? Not that this site isn’t full mostly of bullshit like all the others, but the AP bullshit won’t go unchallenged here.

I'm not bragging about anything. If anything, the ones doing that are the ones that show jackpot pictures and say "hey, look at me, over here, hey hey, look at me!"

I'll say this one last time. You can fish for information all you want (because I think you're some casino insider!), but you will not get that information.

As for counting two tables. I've never done it or even tried it. I can see how it would be difficult and can understand Alan's skepticism.

[mickeycrimm]

Honestly, can you possibly see what the cards would be if dealt on the table? Remember, this photo is taken with NO players at the table.

Did you intentionally blurr the photo. And I don't see any cards on that table.

[jbjb]

I pretty sure he's said many times that he isn't able to count every card on a second table due to obstructions.

[redietz]

This is actually interesting stuff. The cool thing is now every reader (including me) will go out and test their eyesight and seating angles at empty blackjack tables in various casinos. I think you can watch cards at adjacent tables at most Boyd and Station properties. But I'll be checking it out. I haven't played blackjack in 35 years.

Three important points:

1) To be perfectly honest, I had the same twinge on reading the line coach mentioned as he did. That line threw me.
2) Whatever the outcome of everyone checking sightlines of chairs, KJ is not the flagship or even a PT boat of APs. He's one person posting here.
3) It's good that Alan consulted card counters before going to the casino. That's like Johnny Carson consulting professional magicians (Carson's an amateur) before putting Uri Geller on national television, whereupon Geller's powers were noticeably absent. Now if Alan only consulted Dancer or Scott or professional mathematicians when discussing Rob, we'd have more info on which to base our opinions.

[Alan Mendelson]

redietz let me comment on Rob's mathematics: NO WHERE does Rob claim that his mathematics are any different from the mathematics you use. AND Rob even says that his special plays are at a disadvantage according to the accepted mathematics of the games.

How's that buddy? Yes, Rob does not argue the mathematics of video poker.

But what Rob has said (and for some reason this doesn't get through) is that by playing differently he has a chance to get lucky to win bigger payoffs.

One of these days one of you critics will understand and accept that.

You can look at his special plays on my website and YOU WILL SEE the math for each special play and the math for the standard, accepted play. ALL of Rob's special plays are at a disadvantage. He knows that. I know that. But that's not why he makes the special plays.

He makes the special plays because of the chance of the bigger payoffs and that he figures is what makes him win.

[Rob.Singer]

He says a lot of stuff that has zero chance of passing the sniff test. But then he gets caught making claims of "jumping tables as soon as the count gets positive" and the AP apologists come out of the woodwork.

I tend to agree with the aforementioned comment regarding AP windbags from WoV who do nothing but make theoretical claims and scour gaming forums expecting others to pat them on the back for it. Kewji's prostate must have been acting up for him to think he'd have any kind of credibility on a forum with actual gamblers on it.

[Alan Mendelson]

Honestly, can you possibly see what the cards would be if dealt on the table? Remember, this photo is taken with NO players at the table.

Did you intentionally blurr the photo. And I don't see any cards on that table.

No, my hands shake, mostly from the anti-rejection drugs I take. It's very hard for me to keep my hands steady.

Of course there are no cards on the table. The blackjack pit was closed. But look at the tables and "imagine" cards on the tables. Then imagine other players at those tables. Then tell me honestly if you think you will be able to count cards on the other tables?

Yes, go do it yourself. Go look. Pick any seat you want and turn to your left or your right or look straight ahead and tell me if you can read the cards on the table. Tell me if you can tell the difference between a 2 and a 9? Picture cards shouldn't be a problem IF you don't need xray vision to see through a player.

[redietz]

And the above means you know enough about mathematics and video poker (a solved game) to not need to consult people more knowledgeable than yourself regarding the topics at hand?

Just asking.