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  1. #401
    I don't question that a person can have the mental ability to track multiple tables. But the speed and timing of the game, ignoring the visual issues, make it impossible, to me, to see each and every card. If cards are dealt at exactly the same time, and players are hitting, I don't see how you can actually see every card. So even if you can somehow see both tables, I just don't see how the count can be accurate. I also question that missed cards just go towards the penetration. If you missed 6 faces and still thought you had a positive count good luck.

  2. #402
    Originally Posted by regnis View Post
    I don't question that a person can have the mental ability to track multiple tables. But the speed and timing of the game, ignoring the visual issues, make it impossible, to me, to see each and every card. If cards are dealt at exactly the same time, and players are hitting, I don't see how you can actually see every card. So even if you can somehow see both tables, I just don't see how the count can be accurate. I also question that missed cards just go towards the penetration. If you missed 6 faces and still thought you had a positive count good luck.
    Regnis are you trying to reason with them? Good luck.

  3. #403
    Originally Posted by regnis View Post
    If cards are dealt at exactly the same time, and players are hitting, I don't see how you can actually see every card. So even if you can somehow see both tables, I just don't see how the count can be accurate.
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Regnis are you trying to reason with them? Good luck.
    This is difficult to follow. Can one of you please refer me back to the part where kewlJ said he could see every card and maintain a totally accurate count of the other table? I can't find it.

  4. #404
    A couple comments: Thanks to Mickey for posting those links, particularly the BJinfo link from 2007. I am not sure when I joined BJinfo, but it was sometime about that time. I don't remember reading Sonny's post, but maybe I did and it was an influence. For those that don't know, Sonny is a long-term, well known, professional blackjack AP. He is or was top notch. I think he is retired or has significantly slowed down now though. Tracking two tables is NOT anything new. It is a natural progression among experienced players. The fact that some here, who aren't familiar with blackjack and/or card counting find it hard to believe, just goes to them forming an opinion of something they know nothing about. Everybody thinks they are a freaking expert on everything, even things they haven't a clue about! But that doesn't stop them from mouthing their opinion.

    There appears to be a clear misunderstanding of how card counting even works here by a number of people. Card counters do NOT sit there and look at every card as it comes out and hits the felt. I guess maybe in the early stages, new card counters look at every card. I probably did as well. But it doesn't take long before a cancelation method automatically takes over. You don't need to look at every card. You glance at a table of 10 or 12 cards and immediately and I mean immediately have a result of +2. What happens is say there are 2 high cards, 4 low cards and 4 neutral cards (7,8,9), your brain automatically ignores the neutral cards and the high cards cancel out two of the low cards leaving you two low card (+2). This isn't a sequence of events, it is one single thing that occurs. You glance at 10 cards....boom +2. I can't even take credit for it, it's something that occurs automatically after you have played for a while.

    And I mean it happens automatically! At a glance. Sometimes I am walking through the casino, on the way to eat or something and walk by a table, glance at the cards and boom.....+6. I then think geez, do I want to stop and play?

    Even if I am not tracking two tables, suppose I am playing a location that doesn't have two open BJ tables, like a Silver7. I still count the same way and that is NOT watching each card and calculating. I look away at the TV or observe what the pit is doing and only after all cards are deal do I glance at the table and "pick up" the count, and that literally takes a fraction of a second.

    Again, this is nothing new. It is a natural progression and I am pretty sure many, many card counters track multiple tables after a while, maybe not as "formally" as I do, maybe much more informally. As I have indicated, you don't need to have an exact count at the second table. You can miss a couple cards, even misread a card. All you need is to be certain the count at that second table is a better opportunity than where you are currently playing.

    So yes, I resent someone like Alan, challenging something he knows absolutely nothing about and doing so for the purpose to try to discredit someone, just because he thinks it can't be done. Not only can it be done. It's not that hard. The mind actually almost automatically does it naturally after a while of normal BJ play.

    But, I am sure the deniers, will just keep denying, despite that they have no idea what they are talking about.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 08-10-2017 at 01:12 PM.

  5. #405
    You can resent me all you want, but you made claims and now you are backtracking.

    You have been criticized by blackjack players for your card counting system which is very loose. As you put it "you don't need to have an exact count at the second table. You can miss a couple cards, even misread a card. All you need is to be certain the count at that second table is a better opportunity than where you are currently playing."

    Well, if I used that definition for my dice influencing skills then I must be a master dice influencer because I miss a couple of throws and some of my throws don't land on "good numbers."

    What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

  6. #406
    Originally Posted by bocce ball View Post
    Originally Posted by regnis View Post
    If cards are dealt at exactly the same time, and players are hitting, I don't see how you can actually see every card. So even if you can somehow see both tables, I just don't see how the count can be accurate.
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Regnis are you trying to reason with them? Good luck.
    This is difficult to follow. Can one of you please refer me back to the part where kewlJ said he could see every card and maintain a totally accurate count of the other table? I can't find it.
    If he can't see every card and he can't maintain an accurate count, what's the point? It's like dice influencing: if you can't influence every throw and if you're not hitting all of your numbers, what kind of a dice influencer are you? (Isn't that what you say??)

  7. #407
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    You can resent me all you want, but you made claims and now you are backtracking.

    You have been criticized by blackjack players for your card counting system which is very loose. As you put it "you don't need to have an exact count at the second table. You can miss a couple cards, even misread a card. All you need is to be certain the count at that second table is a better opportunity than where you are currently playing."

    Well, if I used that definition for my dice influencing skills then I must be a master dice influencer because I miss a couple of throws and some of my throws don't land on "good numbers."

    What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?
    Alan, you have no freaking clue what you are talking about. You are basically the village idiot, who feels the need to comment on everything, even though he has no clue to most. You should do yourself and the site a favor and just STFU and listen some of the time. You might freaking learn something.

  8. #408
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    If he can't see every card and he can't maintain an accurate count, what's the point?
    His count is accurate in the sense that he correctly tallies the observed cards, but it's incomplete because some of the cards are unseen. Incomplete information does have value.

    I'll leave it at that because kewlJ explains it better than I can.

  9. #409
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    You can resent me all you want, but you made claims and now you are backtracking.

    You have been criticized by blackjack players for your card counting system which is very loose. As you put it "you don't need to have an exact count at the second table. You can miss a couple cards, even misread a card. All you need is to be certain the count at that second table is a better opportunity than where you are currently playing."

    Well, if I used that definition for my dice influencing skills then I must be a master dice influencer because I miss a couple of throws and some of my throws don't land on "good numbers."

    What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?
    Alan, you have no freaking clue what you are talking about. You are basically the village idiot, who feels the need to comment on everything, even though he has no clue to most. You should do yourself and the site a favor and just STFU and listen some of the time. You might freaking learn something.
    It hurts to get caught, doesn't it kewlj?

    Once again, why didn't you say your partner clued you in to the other table? Why do you have to be the superman with super vision and xray vision, and now a super computer brain who only needs to see partial results to make the jump from one table to another?

  10. #410
    Originally Posted by bocce ball View Post
    His count is accurate in the sense that he correctly tallies the observed cards, but it's incomplete because some of the cards are unseen. Incomplete information does have value.
    Let's see if I can apply this to my dice influencing:

    I am a master dice influencer because I see some dice rolls that result in good numbers. But yes, I am not using the results of all of my rolls. Still, the incomplete information I use to call myself a master dice influence does have value.

    That should work.

  11. #411
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I am a master dice influencer because I see some dice rolls that result in good numbers. But yes, I am not using the results of all of my rolls. Still, the incomplete information I use to call myself a master dice influence does have value.
    You're introducing selection bias by discarding undesirable observations. That's not helpful if you want useful information, although it did assist my uncle in obtaining tenure at a major university.

  12. #412
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    why didn't you say your partner clued you in to the other table? Why do you have to be the superman with super vision
    He claimed to have super vision, but he really had supervision!

    My favorite part of the thread was when he claimed to have super vision. Those were good times.

  13. #413
    Here is a video by some dunce on how to back count at blackjack.


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  14. #414
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    You can resent me all you want, but you made claims and now you are backtracking.

    You have been criticized by blackjack players for your card counting system which is very loose. As you put it "you don't need to have an exact count at the second table. You can miss a couple cards, even misread a card. All you need is to be certain the count at that second table is a better opportunity than where you are currently playing."

    Well, if I used that definition for my dice influencing skills then I must be a master dice influencer because I miss a couple of throws and some of my throws don't land on "good numbers."

    What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?
    Alan, you have no freaking clue what you are talking about. You are basically the village idiot, who feels the need to comment on everything, even though he has no clue to most. You should do yourself and the site a favor and just STFU and listen some of the time. You might freaking learn something.
    It hurts to get caught, doesn't it kewlj?

    Once again, why didn't you say your partner clued you in to the other table? Why do you have to be the superman with super vision and xray vision, and now a super computer brain who only needs to see partial results to make the jump from one table to another?
    Once again Dunce Mendelson exposes his complete idiocy. Attaboy, Dunce zMendelson.

  15. #415
    First it was 18 yo's. Then it was 1in 6. Then it was loss rebates. Now its counting 2 tables. There is no end to Dunce Mendelson's stupidity. No wonder he lost his reporter job. Could you imagine Dunce's reporting? Clueless.

  16. #416
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    It hurts to get caught, doesn't it kewlj?

    Once again, why didn't you say your partner clued you in to the other table? Why do you have to be the superman with super vision and xray vision, and now a super computer brain who only needs to see partial results to make the jump from one table to another?
    You are so ridiculous. You didn't catch or disprove anything, Alan. All you have done is prove what an idiot you are. Not because you don't understand what I am doing. Not understanding doesn't make someone an idiot. But thinking they are an expert on something they have almost zero knowledge of does make someone an idiot. Remember what I said, when I began posting here again? "It doesn't take much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking". You, sir are just talking! At least most of the time. 14 thousand posts worth!

    However, the fact that you think you caught me or exposed something just goes back to what I said yesterday. Everything is a pissing contest. Grow up, Alan. You are not 10 years old anymore! STOP EMBARRASSING YOURSELF! I honestly feel bad for you.

    "Why did I not just say my partner clued me in to the other table?" Because that is not true. I don't know what you think this is? It isn't how can I tell the best tale? I am sharing the facts of my play.

    And finally, stop repeating complete nonsense! "Superman". "Supervision". "Xray vision". "Super computer brain". Just stop! None of that is needed. I possess none of that. As a matter of fact, I consider myself to be not all that bright, compared to most of my AP friends.

    Alan, I don't know who you are. Near as I can tell, some 80 year old dude that is a reporter for some little middle of the night cable infomercal or something? I guess, you think you are famous. I have never heard of you. Prior to coming here, all I knew was something about 18 something or other in a row at craps? I don't even know, because I don't play craps, don't even know how, nor do I read any threads on craps. While I didn't and still don't know all the details, the inference was that you were a complete Jackass. In my short time here, you have left no doubt as to that.

    You clearly are one of those guys that has an opinion on EVERYTHING, even when he knows nothing about the topic. Everything a pissing contest. Again.....STOP EMBARRASSING YOURSELF!


    PS. Howdy JStat. I would have recognized those hands even if it wasn't you that posted the video. One of these days, I am going to recognize those hands at the casino. lol.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 08-10-2017 at 05:18 PM.

  17. #417
    Originally Posted by regnis View Post
    Originally Posted by Biloxi Bill View Post
    Nice going assholes...chased another one off
    How come it hasn't chased you away yet?
    Regina, You don`t know me and I`ve never conversed with you so kindly STFU

  18. #418
    Unseen cards are unseen cards. If you're arguing against KJ for missing cards, you don't understand how card counting actually works.

  19. #419
    I'm still missing the point of hopping tables if you're missing cards.

    Yes, I understand that unseen cards already dealt are the same as unseen cards still in the deck, but it has to be tough to keep track of a true count if you've missed a substantial number of cards already dealt.

    Without that true count, how are you going to place accurate bets?

    Wouldn't it be better to just table-hop when the next table's shoe is over? Or if you don't want to attract attention that way, just table-hop and min-bet until the shuffle?
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  20. #420
    Say a casino has 5/6 deck pen games. If you're at one table playing like you normally would, why wouldn't you want to keep tabs on the table next to you, even if it's a 4.5/6 or 4/6 pen game (effectively, with missing cards)? No, it's not going to be perfect....but it doesn't need to be perfect. I'd rather have that information than not, even if it's a little off.

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