Any Experience with M Resort $500 Loss Rebate?

[mickeycrimm]

Another meaningful discussion on strategic gambling gets sabotaged by....The Confederacy Of Dunces.

[AxelWolf]

No one has to believe it. Frankly, I don't care. I have no money at stake. I didn't roll the dice. I just stood there and will always regret I never bet even one dollar on those 18 rolls... never mind a press.

The point is it happened. Life goes on.

My girlfriend was dealt two royals in less than 24 hours. Somebody wins the lottery. In fact, when I lived in Valencia I lived on a street where one of the neighbors won the California lottery twice in one year. Shit happens.

Originally when you told this story on WOV I was under the impression you had no regrets not betting it? I thought that was one of the points you were trying to make, along with random rollers can get lucky too.

[AxelWolf]

I read an article by the Los Angles Times, eluding to your dishonesty

That's easily verified by providing a link to the article.

Will you post the link, or do you need to be paid for the info?

I have to admit that was kinda funny.

[MisterV]

The Wiz wrote, about the alleged 18 yo's:

"18 yo's in a row = 1 in 39,346,408,075,296,500,000,000
Powerball = 1 in 292,201,338
Powerball 2 out of 2 = 1 in 85,381,621,928,990,200

So, it is 460,829 times more likely to buy two Powerball tickets, and win both of them, than to go throw 18 yo's in a row."

OK, so who is more credible:

A disinterested actuary with no dog in the fight who is well respected in the world of gambling math, or

An innumerate with serious health issues who happens to enjoy whatever attention he can muster?

[AxelWolf]

Look when I saw 18 Yo's in a row I had no idea what the math was.

Exactly.

You made up that number just to prove a point, not realizing just how ridiculous it was. Even people with zero math background or gambling knowledge knew this was near impossible, but YOU didn't, so now you look stupid. You couldn't bring yourself to confess you didn't really know exactly how many yo's in a row were seen because you felt everything you ever said would be in question, so you dug in. I have a feeling it was many yo's during your session, but not in a row.

I get why you dislike AP's and Math guys, they prevent you from fooling everyone with your gambling fish stories.

[redietz]

The Wiz wrote, about the alleged 18 yo's:

"18 yo's in a row = 1 in 39,346,408,075,296,500,000,000
Powerball = 1 in 292,201,338
Powerball 2 out of 2 = 1 in 85,381,621,928,990,200

So, it is 460,829 times more likely to buy two Powerball tickets, and win both of them, than to go throw 18 yo's in a row."

OK, so who is more credible:

A disinterested actuary with no dog in the fight who is well respected in the world of gambling math, or

An innumerate with serious health issues who happens to enjoy whatever attention he can muster?

I didn't know John Paulos' lingo had seeped into the general culture. Good for him. Good for you if you've read him.

[Rob.Singer]

This us funny. The collection of unverifiable, anonymous "AP's" here claim what Alan says he witnessed is a lie and impossible, while they also claim to believe in the math.

Well guys, the math says 18 yos in a row is possible. So why don't you believe it? Oh....because Alan made a fool out of that losing AP on the dice problem who begs forum members for money--the Wiz. Glad that's settled.

If kew really wants to take a bet that he can accurately count 2 tables simultaneously at a specific casino and at any two tables he chooses, I'll take some of that. Just don't sneeze on the money or get any blood on it please.

[AxelWolf]

IF THEY WERE TO PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS THAT MAY GIVE A REASON FOR SOMEONE TO PROVE SOMETHING.

I reached out to you, letting you know I was going to be in Vegas for 12 days which you confirmed you knew about, but had several reasons for not meeting up with me.

I no doubt would have taken you and your girlfriend out for a classy dinner. We could have shared lots during that time.

If you felt the need to lay down a bet to make your time worthwhile, we could have discussed the conditions in person. If I agreed to the conditions, I can assure I had access to more than enough money to cover any bet you wanted.

Yes, and I responded to that. I don't need a bet to meet up with someone. I have met with many people from WOV and expected nothing. You haven't said anything specific for there to be a bet. You just don't believe people can make a living from advantage play.

[Rob.Singer]

IF THEY WERE TO PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS THAT MAY GIVE A REASON FOR SOMEONE TO PROVE SOMETHING.

I reached out to you, letting you know I was going to be in Vegas for 12 days which you confirmed you knew about, but had several reasons for not meeting up with me.

I no doubt would have taken you and your girlfriend out for a classy dinner. We could have shared lots during that time.

If you felt the need to lay down a bet to make your time worthwhile, we could have discussed the conditions in person. If I agreed to the conditions, I can assure I had access to more than enough money to cover any bet you wanted.

Yes, and I responded to that. I don't need a bet to meet up with someone. I have met with many people from WOV and expected nothing. You haven't said anything specific for there to be a bet. You just don't believe people can make a living from advantage play.

A load of AP crap axel, and everyone sees it.

You often go off about people not accepting you challenges blah blah blah, but then someone comes along and does and you flop out a pile of stupid, cowardly excuses why you just can't do it right now. And all that does is confirm how APs are nothing but losing, addicted problem gamblers....you know, just like wizard proved he was. It don't get more real than that! As they say.

[AxelWolf]

I reached out to you, letting you know I was going to be in Vegas for 12 days which you confirmed you knew about, but had several reasons for not meeting up with me.

I no doubt would have taken you and your girlfriend out for a classy dinner. We could have shared lots during that time.

If you felt the need to lay down a bet to make your time worthwhile, we could have discussed the conditions in person. If I agreed to the conditions, I can assure I had access to more than enough money to cover any bet you wanted.

Yes, and I responded to that. I don't need a bet to meet up with someone. I have met with many people from WOV and expected nothing. You haven't said anything specific for there to be a bet. You just don't believe people can make a living from advantage play.

A load of AP crap axel, and everyone sees it.

You often go off about people not accepting you challenges blah blah blah, but then someone comes along and does and you flop out a pile of stupid, cowardly excuses why you just can't do it right now. And all that does is confirm how APs are nothing but losing, addicted problem gamblers....you know, just like wizard proved he was. It don't get more real than that! As they say.

Do what right now? Nothing has been presented to me.

I do challenge you to prove to me your boldface lie that you had someone following me around or whatever.

[redietz]

I never heard this one. Rob claimed to have people following you around? Were you being tailed by a Winnebago or a Hellcat?

[AxelWolf]

I never heard this one. Rob claimed to have people following you around? Were you being tailed by a Winnebago or a Hellcat?

He said somthing to that effect on this or onther thread on this forum. It is totlal bullshit and its funny that he only mentioned it just after I started posting here.

[redietz]

Rob, in case you're reading this, may I suggest a book by my brother-in-law? It'll help you out. It was written back when both you and I were hanging in Las Vegas, so it may be a bit dated, but so are we.

It's Serious Surveillance for the Private Investigator. The author is Bob Bruno. Happy reading!!

[MisterV]

Well guys, the math says 18 yos in a row is possible. So why don't you believe it?

For the same reason I don't predict that at exactly 9PM tonight an asteroid will smash into the strip and blow Paradise to, well, paradise.

While most anything could happen, we who call ourselves educated like to inject a bit of reality into the equation.

I find that an understanding of math leads to a marked decrease in confusion and superstition.

[AxelWolf]

Well guys, the math says 18 yos in a row is possible. So why don't you believe it?

For the same reason I don't predict that at exactly 9PM tonight an asteroid will smash into the strip and blow Paradise to, well, paradise.

While most anything could happen, we who call ourselves educated like to inject a bit of reality into the equation.

I find that an understanding of math leads to a marked decrease in confusion and superstition.

You must be an Advantage player.

[MisterV]

Nah, I'm just a ploppie, but contrary to the assertions of some I do in fact believe that AP's really do exist, and that they can make a living via casino gambling.

I choose not to go down the AP path because it is too much like work, in fact it WOULD be work; I gamble in part to escape from the pressures of my job, not to immerse myself in them.

[regnis]

Look when I saw 18 Yo's in a row I had no idea what the math was. All I know is that a young guy kept throwing 6/5 and we were amazed. No one stopped to figure any odds.

If the first die was a 6, what are the odds the second die is a five? Oh sorry--wrong thread.

[regnis]

He used to be a contender.

Not anymore.

And it hurts, it hurts like hell.



"Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light."

--- Dylan Thomas

Also Rodney Dangerfield in Back to School

[redietz]

He used to be a contender.

Not anymore.

And it hurts, it hurts like hell.



"Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light."

--- Dylan Thomas

Also Rodney Dangerfield in Back to School

That was good, regnis. He passed with all D's and an A from Hot Lips.

[Rob.Singer]

Yes, and I responded to that. I don't need a bet to meet up with someone. I have met with many people from WOV and expected nothing. You haven't said anything specific for there to be a bet. You just don't believe people can make a living from advantage play.

A load of AP crap axel, and everyone sees it.

You often go off about people not accepting you challenges blah blah blah, but then someone comes along and does and you flop out a pile of stupid, cowardly excuses why you just can't do it right now. And all that does is confirm how APs are nothing but losing, addicted problem gamblers....you know, just like wizard proved he was. It don't get more real than that! As they say.

Do what right now? Nothing has been presented to me.

I do challenge you to prove to me your boldface lie that you had someone following me around or whatever.

The key to the above "ap statement" is "or whatever". It fits in rather nicely with the other ap's here not knowing a whole lot of what they're talking about.

But please splain. You're claiming I had some anonymous internet hack followed around (or whatever ) for the purpose of what? You do know that all you're doing is giving red "pr packet" ietz an opportunity to serve up more of his not so clever/rarely humorous remarks that are laced with corn, correct?