Any Experience with M Resort $500 Loss Rebate?

[mickeycrimm]

Making a "living" varies with people and their standards. I have an AP friend who is very happy living with his mother. He's in his late 50s.

How many news reporters couldn't hack it? How many people have washed out of the informercial business?

[MisterV]

the self-proclaimed AP’s that are still there want to convince others and pretend the WOV site is the Holy Grail to gambling. That’s because if there is any AP resistance, the idiots who monitor it will ban anyone to prevent the AP’s from embarrassment.

Really?!

I've only noticed the WOV mods banning or suspending someone for violating forum rules, not for posting material which goes against the grain.

Oh, to clarify: I suppose they might ban someone spewing anti-AP screeds if they felt he were trolling, as trolling is a violaton of forum rules; you know, like what happened to you (nuclear option).

[redietz]

Frank made it clear to me: there wasn't a bet in Vegas he would use his own money to make. All you APs should take notice.

I've been making a living from machines for over 20 years. I've taken notice of what Frank said. I don't think I'll be changing up my way of making a living because of what Frank said.

Making a "living" varies with people and their standards.

I have an AP friend who is very happy living with his mother. He's in his late 50s.

That would make his mother in her late 70's, at least. That age would suggest she might need the help. So maybe kudos to him for being a caregiver.

I would re-think the "living with his mom" as some kind of knock on this particular person, whether he's an AP or not, unless his mom is Cher.

[MisterV]

Michael Shackleford: I have stated previously that I don't consider him a professional AP. He never lived off of any AP earnings that I am aware of. I also have stated that in my opinion he is no friend to AP's, frequently killing AP plays.

Yeah, but what about the opinion of his peers?

His was a wild ride at the infamous blackjack ball.

He penned: "I won the Grosjean Cup in the past and then got kicked out."

Obviously the host thought he had his blackjack credentials in order; whether he could be labeled "professional AP" is another matter.

AP at one time, seemingly.

[Alan Mendelson]

I'm not anti AP and I'm not angry. It's just that "APs" keep telling us how wonderful they are and I wonder why they spend so much time on forums and not at one of Trump's golf clubs? LOL

I remember when I met my AP-friend. He spent two hours telling me about his wonderful advantage plays... then I found out he's living with his mom. And when he actually did play it was 25-cent VP.

Of course there is nothing wrong with 25-cent VP but there's a limit how much your advantage plays are worth at a 25-cent game.

[Alan Mendelson]

redietz nothing wrong with living with mom if youre an AP. But play at higher levels than 25-cents so you can give mom better care.

[kewlJ]

whether he could be labeled "professional AP" is another matter. AP, certainly.

Yes, he is an AP. I specifically said "professional" AP. Being an AP is mostly about math and knowledge. Shackleford is very smart mathematically. He figures things out and will throw some money on +EV situation. That makes him an AP. It's easy to be an AP when you have other income or a wife very gainfully employed and don't need your AP money to live.

A professional AP takes another level. It takes discipline and a mental strength to hang in there during the severely bad runs, when your only income is in the red for months at a time. The very mental struggles that zenking is publicly going through is the difference between a true professional AP and someone who want's to be one.

Yeah, but what about the opinion of his peers?

Who are Shackleford's peers?

Other math guys? I am sure he is well thought of among the math geek club. He is very talented mathematically.

Other AP/gambling website owners? Well I know of one Qfit (Norm Wattenberger), who refused to post at WoV for more than 5 years, publicly saying he didn't trust Shackleford. Yeah, he changed his tune, when he needed a favor, but that earlier action and comment should tell his "real" opinion.

edit: but enough about Shackleford. I am not here to re-live my Shackleford drama. I am just saying not all AP's worship Shackford or his site, as Blackhole would have you believe.

[Alan Mendelson]

Sometimes being smart about the math makes you overlook the common sense of a situation.

[Alan Mendelson]

Making a "living" varies with people and their standards. I have an AP friend who is very happy living with his mother. He's in his late 50s.

How many news reporters couldn't hack it? How many people have washed out of the informercial business?

It's a very small club. There are maybe five successful Infomercial companies. The three biggest are in Southern California. I'm #3 and I try the hardest.

Guthy Renker is #1
Script to Screen is #2
Then comes me.

There were SEVEN other companies that tried to copy my Best Buys Show concept and they all went out of business. I've been doing it for eleven years.

[blackhole]

Really?!

I've only noticed the WOV mods banning or suspending someone for violating forum rules, not for posting material which goes against the grain.

Oh, to clarify: I suppose they might ban some spewing anti-AP screeds if they felt he were trolling, as trolling is a violaton of forum rules; you know, like what happened to you (nuclear option).

Yep, putting AP's in their place and challenging them is clearly trolling according to the WOV and ass kissers like yourself. Funny how you always seem to make sudden appearances when your AP friends are catching hell. Your comments are almost as strange as redietz's twilight zone comments. Although, you fit more in the full blown jackass bracket.

Take a fn walk you jackass.

[MisterV]

At least I know how to play well enough with others not to get thrown off the playground by one of the monitors.

But enough about me.

[bocce ball]

After a couple of meetings with Frank, the following was very clear to me about him:

--He enjoyed playing for teams and he was super addicted to the poker machines.
--He would not be able to play VP if he wasn't playing for a team because he had little to no money.
--He has an intellect well beyond that of a normal human being....so much so that it tormented him.
--He was really not all that interested in living a whole lot longer.
--He was a chain smoker and a constant nervous wreck. Twice I needed to inform him that he had 2 cigarettes going.
--He was very proud of his good friend (a playboy bunny) over at the Palms and he talked about her often.
--Like the wizard thought--and as many critics initially think about me--he believed I was just some oddball, uneducated gambling chump until he met me.

I only know Frank from the GWAE radio show he initially hosted with Bob Dancer, but your description matches my impression -- except I didn't get a gambling-addict vibe. It's certainly possible, but from what I remember, he seemed to dislike gambling.

[Alan Mendelson]

Frank was never an addict. Calling anyone a gambling addict is a Singerism when he wants to feel superior. Ignore the comment or next he'll mention my ex wives.

[mickeycrimm]

When I was in negotiations to be on GWAE, specifically the date I would be on, I made a comment to Bob that on a certain day I would be flying into Reno to meet a friend and we would be heading out to a video keno play that carried a 7% edge and was worth $140 an hour. A couple of days later Bob asked me if Frank could get a seat on the play. I told him that 1) The play wasn't in Nevada 2) there were only two machines. I don't know if Frank would have been playing on his own money or not but they were sure interested in the play.

[blackhole]

You posted some quotes from Axel, so I commented that they seemed reasonable to me. The rest of your post concerned a meetup or meetup that you wanted to occur with axel. Didn't concern me, so I didn't comment. So what is your issue with that?

This post is another perfect example to confirm how much shit your full of. The rest of the post showed how ridiculous and meaningless those quotes were by Axel. Please explain what seemed reasonable about Axel's comments to you after reading the whole post? Or, did you stop reading suddenly after Axel's bullshit quotes?

Also, your comments about Mike S. and your negative opinion about the WOV don't hold any water at all. Those comments expose once again how much of a bullshit artist you actually are. For the longest time you made a complete fool of yourself on the forum GF, begging for Mike S. to let you back, and trying to coax others at WOV to speak on your behalf. Your repetition and whining over, and over again became so annoying at GF, that all the other members even the ones who at first sided with you were begging you to take your skirt off and try to just once behave like a man, take your lumps, move on, and shut the f up. It became obvious what role you play in your relationship with your live in partner.

It's amazing how none of you could realize how foolish and unbelievable you actual appear, and just keep posting trying to justify your stupidity. It's getting to the point where I'm starting to think we should back off, simply because your so obviously f'd up, you could become suicidal over this nonsense. Nobody here would want to read about that happening.

[redietz]

You posted some quotes from Axel, so I commented that they seemed reasonable to me. The rest of your post concerned a meetup or meetup that you wanted to occur with axel. Didn't concern me, so I didn't comment. So what is your issue with that?

This post is another perfect example to confirm how much shit your full of. The rest of the post showed how ridiculous and meaningless those quotes were by Axel. Please explain what seemed reasonable about Axel's comments to you after reading the whole post? Or, did you stop reading suddenly after Axel's bullshit quotes?

Also, your comments about Mike S. and your negative opinion about the WOV don't hold any water at all. Those comments expose once again how much of a bullshit artist you actually are. For the longest time you made a complete fool of yourself on the forum GF, begging for Mike S. to let you back, and trying to coax others at WOV to speak on your behalf. Your repetition and whining over, and over again became so annoying at GF, that all the other members even the ones who at first sided with you were begging you to take your skirt off and try to just once behave like a man, take your lumps, move on, and shut the f up. It became obvious what role you play in your relationship with your live in partner.

It's amazing how none of you could realize how foolish and unbelievable you actual appear, and just keep posting trying to justify your stupidity. It's getting to the point where I'm starting to think we should back off, simply because your so obviously f'd up, you could become suicidal over this nonsense. Nobody here would want to read about that happening.

Mr. Hole, I'm baffled. What role does he play in his relationship with his live in partner?

[mickeycrimm]

Blackdumasshole is a no good piece of shit. He adds nothing of value here. Just another ignorant stupid troll like his daddy, larrys.

[AxelWolf]

AP’s stick together like prairie-dogs. Their always out foraging on forums looking for suckers that buy into their un-proven insecure fallacy. Why they don’t just stay in their protected site the WOV is beyond me.

They find plenty saps at the WOV. These members are the same fools that think Mike S. is a professional AP. The new owners that took Mike S. out of bankruptcy could care less about the forum. They would change the forum from gambling to cooking if it meant they could convince more members to play on their un-regulated online casinos in third world countries. Yet, the self-proclaimed AP’s that are still there want to convince others and pretend the WOV site is the Holy Grail to gambling. That’s because if there is any AP resistance, the idiots who monitor it will ban anyone to prevent the AP’s from embarrassment. In return, the owners expect the AP’s to continue with their fake fallacy who probably help convince newbies, saps, and rookie gamblers to try AP’ing online. Axel for one always is bragging how he has his way with online casinos, and gets his winnings paid 99% of the time.

Now, when the AP’s drift to other forums especially where there are experienced older people who will challenge their alleged claims, is when they run into trouble. When they sense trouble, they yelp out the warning and they all run back into their holes like prairie-dogs waiting till the danger is gone.

Axel, ignored my post #546, hid in his hole, then came out when he thought the cost was clear. Never responding to that post that in so many words made his previous claims look like full blown bullshit.

Kiwlj, tried to twist the facts, taking selected text from that same post, and when I responded with post 549, he also ran back into his hole.

You guys are professional bullshit spin artists.

I didn't know there was really a question there, I thought you were being rhetorical. Do you really expect me to comment on someone's personal financial status and where they are when I don't even know them?
You didnt answer any of my questions from post #426, yet you want to claim I'm the one who hids in his blackhole?
Let's be honest here, I have gone above and beyond what most people would/should have with you. I have been mostly polite and all with you, while you consistently have been very unpolite to me from the day you arrived on the gambling forums. You cant expect me to keep up with and respond to evrything you say.

[redietz]

Notes to Mr. Hole:

1) When you write "fake fallacy" and "alleged claims," these are, at best, redundant. Taken literally, the word "fake" cancels out "fallacy," and "alleged" cancels out the word "claims." I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I don't think this is what you were aiming for.

2) I'm a lover of hyphen-use myself, but "un-proven," "un-regulated," and "prairie-dogs" demonstrate a real devotion.

3) Thanks for your use of expletives. Rob was confused. I told him that you were fluent.


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[kewlJ]

...take your skirt off and try to just once behave like a man... It became obvious what role you play in your relationship with your live in partner.

Mr. Hole, I'm baffled. What role does he play in his relationship with his live in partner?

Redietz, I am baffled as to why all these guys...the anti-AP, AP-deniers are all filled with such HATE.

These guys are well within their right to not believe anyone and everyone on an anonymous message board site. They have the right to live in their own alternative world, believing what they like, denying facts and reality. But why does each and every one of these guys, ranging from the guy that dominated GF's, to Singer here, to Blackhole (whom I have been respectful to), have to sink to the lowest level of humanity with their vile personal attacks and comments? That kind of childish behavior and hatred just disempowers any argument that they might actually have and shows them in the light of the small, bitter people that they are. I actually give Mendelson credit. He managed to express his anti-APism and denial of reality, without sinking to that level.

For the record, I don't have a "live in partner". I am married. The state of Nevada and The United States of America afford me that right, just the same as these homophobic haters. Not that my marriage, relationship or "what role I play" has any bearing on anything being discussed. That is just haters and low life trolls...hating and sinking to the lowest levels possible. Thanks again Axel for bring up my personal situation first chance you got to provide ammunition for these trolls. With Friends like you....