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  1. #1
    While I was a member at WOV I had several back and forth pm’s with Wizardof nothing, and Axelwolf, two of the most alleged successful AP’s at least from the WOV. The conversations were interesting to say the least, and I would have had no problem hooking up with either one of them.

    My first attempt was to hook up with Wizardofnothing in Atlantic City. We made a mutual date, time and location to meet. After waiting two hours at the Borgota location to meet I realized he was going to be a no show. When I got home I contacted him via pm again, and he said he didn’t think I was going to show up and didn’t want to waste his time, plus he had plans for later in the day.

    Just recently I wanted to hook up with the famous Axelwolf. Being unable to contact him via pm from WOV because they nuked me and nothing works there. Everything I do there says OOPSIE, somethings wrong. I can’t send pm’s at Gambling Forums, so I sent a pm from this site, since I know he posts here.
    On July 3, I sent this pm to Axelwolf:

    Axel,

    Tried sending you a message at WOV but they have my account completely shut down.

    Arriving in Vegas 07/08/17 through 07/19/17 with 2 other couples, staying at the Bellagio. Would love to meet you and your girlfriend, and first hand admire the life of a professional successful AP. I'm not interested in learning anything about the secret trade.

    We could meet in the lobby and take it from there.

    Blackhole



    I’m sure this site sends e-mail notifications when you get a private pm. The response was crickets.
    Point being, I think the AP’s at least on these bullshit sites are either 2 bit gamblers, homeless, and are just plain full of shit.

  2. #2
    LOL -- or your online persona doesn't exactly engender motive to meet you.

    C'mon, blackhole, you're self-aware enough to realize that no self-professed AP is going to have a drink with you out of the blue. Jesus, the blackjack players don't want to be identified. Hell, nobody wants to be identified. So unless somebody's desperate to try to get "investors" or is a sucker for adulation or something, nobody's going to meet up on a whim.

    Now this doesn't preclude your line about two-bit or whatever being true, but if Axel is who and what he presents, I'd put the odds of him wanting to meet you at about 1000-1.

    Since I'm not really an AP and I post via my real name, I have no problem meeting you. But I don't think that's what you're shooting for.

    And really, why throw in the dig about "admire the life" to Axel when you're staying at Bellagio? Would you have said that to a professional plumber or valet? Anyway, if you feel like you want to discuss sports gambling, we could get together sometime. And no, I don't want investors. Maybe adulation. I could use some adulation. In case you're interested, the bus from Bellagio to Main Street Station is eight bucks for 24 hours.

    That last line was just for Rob -- let's see if he takes the bait.

  3. #3
    Interesting post. Some thoughts:

    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    I’m sure this site sends e-mail notifications when you get a private pm.
    Yes, there should be notifications when you receive an email. I receive a notification here and when I was a member of the WOV forum I received notifications from that site as well.

    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    The response was crickets.
    There are many reasons why you didn't receive a response including that people didn't check for or receive a notification or don't respond to private messages, or can't for whatever reason. And yes, some people just might be rude.

    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Point being, I think the AP’s at least on these bullshit sites are either 2 bit gamblers, homeless, and are just plain full of shit.
    Some people might talk big and bet little, but to be fair, denomination is not a requirement for being an AP.
    Also, I find that some gamblers are just not social people -- they don't want contact with real people. Others, on the other hand, are very gregarious. Live poker and table game players tend to be personable and friendly, while slot and VP might be shy which is why they play machines without contact with others. And yes, some might be BS artists and don't want to show themselves.

    However, how someone looks or dresses is no indication of their wealth.

    I've talked about a high roller buddy who used to play 100X odds at Casino Royale and he dressed like a bum. I've also talked about how I was at a craps table at Caesars with a guy who looked homeless - unshaven wearing old shoes and an old overcoat -- but he had a pocket full of black chips and he was betting blacks all over the layout.

  4. #4
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    I think the AP’s at least on these bullshit sites are either 2 bit gamblers, homeless, and are just plain full of shit.
    Could be any or all of the above, but one characteristic these keyboard clowns share...they have the courage of a groundhog.

    I offered faker AP jbjb the chance to win close to $3000 from me in less than an hour (the famous "2-dice problem" challenge) where he had something like a 25% edge. I was coming to LV for 8 days in late May...he said he had other plans for the entire time.

    I offered the same bet to any of the characters here, and heard only crickets...none accepted.

    Then there was the time when I accepted the wiggly wormm crimm's 100-1 for $10K bet that I could be ahead after one million hands of 7-5 BP.

    After I accepted, he placed all kinds of impractical conditions to assure that the hands would not be played.

    I could have played a million hands in less than a week in LV...the wormm said that he could not afford to take that much time off from his "work", that I would have to spend 6 months in an undisclosed location in Montana to play out the hands. Yeah right.

    Then the coward took a 2 week vacation to Oregon or something. Crimm the Coward.

  5. #5
    This stuff's funny....and of course we have the famously anonymous redietz displaying his hurt feelings over someone exposing several "AP's" as what they truly are.

    Wizard should have met with you, plain and simple. Anyone claiming he didn't go because he really didn't believe you would be there is someone who can't really support anything else they've said. Of course, if he were to tell you how he failed badly at ap-VP then you would have gotten the truth.

    Axelwolf is and has always been another anonymous flaming BSer, who overly promotes himself as some hi-shootin' "AP" without ever producing even an ounce of proof--not even of his supposed "girlfriend"....yes and sadly, yet ANOTHER gambler with too many social problems to claim anything other than having some kind of anonymous girlfriend.

    I always wondered why jbjb backed out of his meet with coach. And it sure didn't help when coach was told how the guy was "busy" for an 8 day stretch, esp. when jbjb claims to live there. And mickey actually doing anything verifiable that doesn't require sitting at some slug Montana bar with a sad collection if drunken losers? What a laugh!!

    It all boils down to the simple conclusion that the vast majority of self-proclaimed "AP's" are and always have been full of it, and that yes, they portray being cowards better than anybody else.

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    of course we have the famously anonymous redietz displaying his hurt feelings over someone exposing several "AP's" as what they truly are.
    I think the ditz is more famous for throwing a hissy-fit over the use of punctuation marks.

    If you want a lecture on the proper use of guillemets, the ditz will have no problem meeting you.

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    I think the AP’s at least on these bullshit sites are either 2 bit gamblers, homeless, and are just plain full of shit.
    Could be any or all of the above, but one characteristic these keyboard clowns share...they have the courage of a groundhog.

    I offered faker AP jbjb the chance to win close to $3000 from me in less than an hour (the famous "2-dice problem" challenge) where he had something like a 25% edge. I was coming to LV for 8 days in late May...he said he had other plans for the entire time.

    I offered the same bet to any of the characters here, and heard only crickets...none accepted.

    Then there was the time when I accepted the wiggly wormm crimm's 100-1 for $10K bet that I could be ahead after one million hands of 7-5 BP.

    After I accepted, he placed all kinds of impractical conditions to assure that the hands would not be played.

    I could have played a million hands in less than a week in LV...the wormm said that he could not afford to take that much time off from his "work", that I would have to spend 6 months in an undisclosed location in Montana to play out the hands. Yeah right.

    Then the coward took a 2 week vacation to Oregon or something. Crimm the Coward.
    You would be a thousands to 1 underdog playing a million hands. But you tried to switch it to a 100 play where you play just 10,000 hands with 100 draws each and call it a million hands. You would be about a 36 to 1 dog in that spot. Why would I grant you a shift in odds when I had you by the balls? Ten-thousand hands with 100 draws each is not 1 million hands....it's 10,000 hands with 100 draws each.

    If you still want to do the 1 million hand thing then get your ass up here. You are the one that wanted the bet so don't expect me to go traipsing across country for your no-show ass.

  8. #8
    Blackasshole, what AP would want to meet you after the way you trashed us in the forums. You are one of the last people I would want to hob nob with. I wouldn't piss on your ass if your guts were on fire.

  9. #9
    Gosh whenever I've read anything about multi hand VP the authors have said there is no difference whether you play 100 single line hands OR 100 hands simultaneously, that the odds are the same. I think that's the position of both Dancer and Grochowski.

    Edited to add: I just checked Wizard of Odds and if the paytable is the same on single line and 100 line then the expected return is the same.

    So Mickey, what's wrong with playing one million hands at 100 lines at a time? It's your math, isn't it?
    Last edited by Alan Mendelson; 07-19-2017 at 05:06 PM.

  10. #10
    As promised, the "famously anonymous" redietz has put together a preliminary PR packet for anyone interested in my personal history. For online contest standings other than Linemasters Bowl Contest, I suggest people contact the sites directly to see where "redietz" finished. Hall Publishing's Who's Who in Sports Gambling must be buried in a box somewhere, but as coach and Rob have said, how much can it mean? Gambler's Book Club has a copy floating around somewhere.

    To get the PR packet, just PM me with a physical address and a note on who you actually are. That seems reasonable. I realize under some conditions, this could be construed as trying to round up clients or something, but I think Rob's weirdness about my identity has reached the point of absurdity. The packet will include cover shots and handicapper standings in various "Tipster or Gypster?" McCusker Reports from 1977-91. Also a handful of articles from publications including The Humanist, Marc Lawrence's House of Sports newsletter, the National Conference on Gambling and Risk-Taking, and op eds where I debated Graham Spanier (the former Penn State president), who tried to end college football gambling back in 2000 or so, and Carl Sagan.
    Last edited by redietz; 07-19-2017 at 05:37 PM.

  11. #11
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    redietz has put together a preliminary PR packet for anyone interested in my personal history.
    Does the information include when your father abandoned you?

    You are so strange, so starved for attention, that you could not have been raised with an adult male in the household.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    So Mickey, what's wrong with playing one million hands at 100 lines at a time?
    That would not require spending 6 months to play the hands, so the outcome could be realized in a reasonable amount of time...
    and that is unacceptable to a phony who places conditions on challenges that make them too impractical to complete.

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    So Mickey, what's wrong with playing one million hands at 100 lines at a time? It's your math, isn't it?
    It's the math that protects me from making a sucker bet. Remember, I would be laying 100 to 1. On a 98% game it's at least 20,000 to 1 against being ahead through 1 million games. And it doesn't matter if it's 1 million hands with1 million draws on single line or 1 million hands with 1 million draws of 100 each on 100 play. So I would have a huge advantage. But fat belly is proposing playing just 10,000 hands with 10,000 draws of 100 each and calling it 1 million hands. It's not. It's 10,000 hands with 10,000 draws of 100 each.

    Here's the big secret, Alan. The less hands he plays the better his chances of being ahead. I know you don't understand that. But that's why I won't go for it. Hitting the deal button just 10,000 times he probably has about a 1 in 40 chance of being ahead. But if he has to hit that deal button 1 million times, like I said, it's at least 20,000 to 1 against him being ahead. Doesn't matter if it's single line or 100 play.

    And here's another thing, Alan. Do you really think I'm going to shell out the money for travel, meals, and lodging to go to Nevada, New Jersey or wherever to win a measly $100 from fat belly? If he wants to do it he'll have to come to me.

  14. #14
    From the Wizard of Odds, Mickey: "Assuming the pay table is the same the strategy and expected return are exactly the same."

  15. #15
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    From the Wizard of Odds, Mickey: "Assuming the pay table is the same the strategy and expected return are exactly the same."
    The Wizard will also tell you the more hands you play the more the variance will even out.

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    From the Wizard of Odds, Mickey: "Assuming the pay table is the same the strategy and expected return are exactly the same."
    The Wizard will also tell you the more hands you play the more the variance will even out.
    The problem with your statement is that whether you are playing single line or 100 line, it's still a million hands.

  17. #17
    Watching mickey claim there's any possible resulting outcome difference at all between playing one million single line hands or ten thousand 100-line hands BECAUSE OF THE MATH is like watching Hillary Clinton trying to project she can be trusted with classified material. Then we're treated to his "20,000 to 1 vs. 40 to 1" babble just to try and make his cowardice sound good.

    mickey.....face it: you've exposed your phony self yet again! When a game's expected return is the same it's the same, whether you play a million hands standing on your head, one at a time, or all at once--especially when you and your opponent both know the only thing that counts here IS THE FINAL OVERALL RESULT. Think about how you define your life mickey by your own famous escape system: theory.
    And your excuse about variance doesn't give you any kind of pass on this one. Makes no difference. Except that it identifies you as a chicken mickey--and a yellow one at that.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 07-20-2017 at 04:15 AM.

  18. #18
    redietz, right about now you must be wondering just how strange everyone sees you as. Instead of dancing around like some wound-up hummel fairy, just post proof of identity here and now. Then you can post whatever collection of unknown resume' events you'd like, and then individuals can decide for themselves. Constantly dodging the easiest methods here.with the PMing, secret meet offerings, transferring piles of crap to Alan, and now this ridiculous "PR packet" etc. etc. etc. only serve to reduce that which obviously is of the utmost importance to you: how you appear on this forum.

    Please wise up.

  19. #19
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Watching mickey claim there's any possible resulting outcome difference at all between playing one million single line hands or ten thousand 100-line hands BECAUSE OF THE MATH is like watching Hillary Clinton trying to project she can be trusted with classified material. Then we're treated to his "20,000 to 1 vs. 40 to 1" babble just to try and make his cowardice sound good.

    mickey.....face it: you've exposed your phony self yet again! When a game's expected return is the same it's the same, whether you play a million hands standing on your head, one at a time, or all at once--especially when you and your opponent both know the only thing that counts here IS THE FINAL OVERALL RESULT. Think about how you define your life mickey by your own famous escape system: theory.
    And your excuse about variance doesn't give you any kind of pass on this one. Makes no difference. Except that it identifies you as a chicken mickey--and a yellow one at that.
    Then there are people like you that file for bankruptcy, don't pay their rent, and welsh on bets.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    From the Wizard of Odds, Mickey: "Assuming the pay table is the same the strategy and expected return are exactly the same."
    The Wizard will also tell you the more hands you play the more the variance will even out.
    The problem with your statement is that whether you are playing single line or 100 line, it's still a million hands.
    No, it's not. It's 10,000 hands with 10,000 draws of 100 each. One million hands with one million draws is one million hands. There are 2,598,960 five-card combinations in the deck. fartbelly would only be seeing 10,000 of those combinations instead of one million. Variance being what it is he would have a much better chance on a hundred playing ten thousand hands than playing one million hands on a single line. Don't take my word for it, ask any noted mathematician.

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