BS AP's

[blackhole]

These endless conversations about who’s a better gambler than the other, who has more money than the other, all this IRS drivel, etc. etc., is nauseating.

It’s the same group of maybe 10 guys who can’t seem to deal with reality in the slightest way without going immediately into some fantasy bullshit unproven gambling world. Every time I stop in I can’t believe every thread eventually takes off on a rocket into dumb dumb gambling outer space, and always by the same group of people. I’m starting to think the same group of people are the only ones that post here.

Anyone reading these threads would suspect that most of the posters are immature rookie gambling kids. But, I know that most of you are old folks and retired. Are you guys this lonely? Are you this insecure that you have to visit and participate regardless how pathetic the thread or conversation is?

I started this thread about bullshit self-proclaimed AP’s who dodge every challenge that’s reasonable in real time. Just look where you lonely guys took this thread. Ten pages so far of complete foolish, ignorant, meaningless, gambling fantasy bullshit, by the same consistent little group of lonely people.

Do you guys even proof read what you type? That should help you to realize how ridicules you are to even participate in meaningless conversations. It’s like the same group of people instantly just respond with their warped no one cares fantasy thoughts.

The fact that at least since I’ve been a member here this same nonsense has been going on, it becomes obvious that it’s all nothing but meaningless bullshit designed to give some type of relief for old lifetime gamblers having trouble coping with life for as it really became and presently is. So, the only alternate they have is to post fantasy instead of what really is taking place.

It's obvious everyone attacks each other endlessly with no proof of anything (and never will) just trying to justify they some how when it comes to gambling knew how to lose less then the other.

Can you grown men just STOP this nonsense? I would think that anyone stopping by and has the stomach to read some of this shit, must really feel bad for this group.

[RS__]

Do you guys even proof read what you type? That should help you to realize how ridicules you are to even participate in meaningless conversations. It’s like the same group of people instantly just respond with their warped no one cares fantasy thoughts.

I laughed. Well done.

[mickeycrimm]

Yes, BH, its almost as bad as the asinine drivel you post.

[Rob.Singer]

Of course bh is right. The majority of the very few posters here are ripe for the pickin'. Their lack of gambling savvy, their misguided understanding of casinos and their managers, and how they walk right into the various traps casinos and their hosts toss their way, gives someone like me a plethora of insults to shower them with. The extra history and some of the tools that have made me the ONLY consistently successful video poker player ever, are provided to further irritate this sad collection of social failures.

When these people wise up, I'll be back. Time for another road trip. Maybe redietz' and his (insert huge BELLYLAUGH!!) "PR Packet" that goes back to his failed marriage days, will show up with proof of identity by then.

[redietz]

Of course bh is right. The majority of the very few posters here are ripe for the pickin'. Their lack of gambling savvy, their misguided understanding of casinos and their managers, and how they walk right into the various traps casinos and their hosts toss their way, gives someone like me a plethora of insults to shower them with. The extra history and some of the tools that have made me the ONLY consistently successful video poker player ever, are provided to further irritate this sad collection of social failures.

When these people wise up, I'll be back. Time for another road trip. Maybe redietz' and his (insert huge BELLYLAUGH!!) "PR Packet" that goes back to his failed marriage days, will show up with proof of identity by then.

Rob, for the record, my marriage didn't fail per se.

I figured you'd hit the road right about now. Maybe sling can fill in while you're gone.

Good to know you are the "ONLY consistently successful video poker player ever." I'm not sure what's more impressive, your hubris or your ability to know how every other video poker player has done. Must be all of those MI-6 contacts.

[slingshot]

Of course bh is right. The majority of the very few posters here are ripe for the pickin'. Their lack of gambling savvy, their misguided understanding of casinos and their managers, and how they walk right into the various traps casinos and their hosts toss their way, gives someone like me a plethora of insults to shower them with. The extra history and some of the tools that have made me the ONLY consistently successful video poker player ever, are provided to further irritate this sad collection of social failures.

When these people wise up, I'll be back. Time for another road trip. Maybe redietz' and his (insert huge BELLYLAUGH!!) "PR Packet" that goes back to his failed marriage days, will show up with proof of identity by then.

Rob, for the record, my marriage didn't fail per se.

I figured you'd hit the road right about now. Maybe sling can fill in while you're gone.

Good to know you are the "ONLY consistently successful video poker player ever." I'm not sure what's more impressive, your hubris or your ability to know how every other video poker player has done. Must be all of those MI-6 contacts.

Nothing to fill in as it's all repetition year after year. As BH said- nauseating.

[Alan Mendelson]

The "APs" (and I include Rob because he does "advantage plays" of a different kind) would be better participants here if they would do less criticizing and shared more of their knowledge.

Sharing knowledge does not mean revealing the particular dealer at the particular casino who flashes cards. Sharing knowledge does not mean revealing the single video poker machine that in error offers 9/5 BONUS poker.

But sharing knowledge does mean offering something constructive and without the constant insulting.

[redietz]

The "APs" (and I include Rob because he does "advantage plays" of a different kind) would be better participants here if they would do less criticizing and shared more of their knowledge.

Sharing knowledge does not mean revealing the particular dealer at the particular casino who flashes cards. Sharing knowledge does not mean revealing the single video poker machine that in error offers 9/5 BONUS poker.

But sharing knowledge does mean offering something constructive and without the constant insulting.

You know, I offered what I (and American Casino Guide) thought was a good deal -- the two free meals and $4 movie ticket for simply running $100 through Boyd on Wednesdays if you're 50 or over. There's a $2500 drawing at some properties at 4:30 and $500 at the downtown properties. You keep the points. Sometimes they throw in a video poker tournament. The video poker is solid (best at Gold Coast and Main Street). Rob, of course, went into some spiel about my being cheap.

I will write my rundown of how to check football futures numbers at the end of August -- the sequence of which properties to visit so as to survey the numbers properly. Doing this is no benefit to me, obviously, but I'll do it anyway.

[blackhole]

To point out some of the thread destroyers with endless bullshit, I made a quick review of this thread.

Alan 40 posts
redietz 34 posts
Coach 34 posts
Rob 29 posts
Mickey 27 posts

Of these 163 posts, maybe 3 of them were on thread heading. All the rest were back and forth tit for tat immature my cock is bigger than yours conversations.

Really guys you need to realize what’s up. No one else around here cares about your cocks.

[Alan Mendelson]

I'm sorry Blackhole but I somehow missed your positive contribution. Please refresh my memory.

[coach belly]

Of these 163 posts, maybe 3 of them were on thread heading.

I started this thread about bullshit self-proclaimed AP’s who dodge every challenge that’s reasonable in real time.

I think the discussion about the one million hand challenge was on point.

It obviously wasn't a thread killer.

[Biloxi Bill]

To point out some of the thread destroyers with endless bullshit, I made a quick review of this thread.

Alan 40 posts
redietz 34 posts
Coach 34 posts
Rob 29 posts
Mickey 27 posts

Of these 163 posts, maybe 3 of them were on thread heading. All the rest were back and forth tit for tat immature my cock is bigger than yours conversations.

Really guys you need to realize what’s up. No one else around here cares about your cocks.

You`re very mistaken Sir...Coach cares about Rob`s very much

[blackhole]

I'm sorry Blackhole but I somehow missed your positive contribution. Please refresh my memory.

It’s very hard to make constructive contributions here. Every time I think I’m about to read an interesting thread where I may have some input, it turns into complete baby bullshit from the same group of babies, leaving a person with good intentions no choice but to ridicule the offenders.

I’m 64 yrs. old and know many of you are in the same bracket. Why is it you can’t see what smacks most mature people with a little wisdom in the face? Instead, you want to pretend these conversations are the norm.

[coach belly]

It’s very hard to make constructive contributions here.

Point being, I think the AP’s at least on these bullshit sites are either 2 bit gamblers, homeless, and are just plain full of shit.

This was the whole point of your original post.

Now you are criticizing replies (and those who replied) that followed your lead ?

[blackhole]

It’s very hard to make constructive contributions here.

Point being, I think the AP’s at least on these bullshit sites are either 2 bit gamblers, homeless, and are just plain full of shit.

This was the whole point of your original post.

Now you are criticizing replies (and those who replied) that followed your lead ?

Endless back and forth about a stupid bet involving a million hands. Correct me if I’m wrong but that in itself is already in the dumb dumb fantasy outer gambling limits.

Everyone argues about EV and odds on that stupid million hand bet like none of you even have a clue about the actual facts. You pros should be able to spit out the facts and close that argument out instantly.

Then we take off to the IRS outer limits. The level of play you pros claim to experience, you would think everyone here has experienced every different opportunity that’s available to reduce tax obligations from gambling winnings by now. Instead, everyone has a different opinion other than actual IRS facts. Just making up shit as you go along.

Based on your above view we might as well bring into this thread every bet ever made on this site and without not one ever taking place. Maybe we could get this thread to a few thousand posts.

Listen, I know the truth hurts and you all have no choice but to try and defend your nonsense as reasonable dialogue. I’m fighting an already lost battle here. All I could hope for is my comments smacked a few of you in the face and helped you realize how foolish you appear, and just maybe you’ll care.

[Biloxi Bill]

Point being, I think the AP’s at least on these bullshit sites are either 2 bit gamblers, homeless, and are just plain full of shit.

This was the whole point of your original post.

Now you are criticizing replies (and those who replied) that followed your lead ?

Endless back and forth about a stupid bet involving a million hands. Correct me if I’m wrong but that in itself is already in the dumb dumb fantasy outer gambling limits.

Everyone argues about EV and odds on that stupid million hand bet like none of you even have a clue about the actual facts. You pros should be able to spit out the facts and close that argument out instantly.

Then we take off to the IRS outer limits. The level of play you pros claim to experience, you would think everyone here has experienced every different opportunity that’s available to reduce tax obligations from gambling winnings by now. Instead, everyone has a different opinion other than actual IRS facts. Just making up shit as you go along.

Based on your above view we might as well bring into this thread every bet ever made on this site and without not one ever taking place. Maybe we could get this thread to a few thousand posts.

Listen, I know the truth hurts and you all have no choice but to try and defend your nonsense as reasonable dialogue. I’m fighting an already lost battle here. All I could hope for is my comments smacked a few of you in the face and helped you realize how foolish you appear, and just maybe you’ll care.

The only thing Belly wants to smack him in the face is Rob`s 3 inch porksicle

[kewlJ]

The "APs" (and I include Rob because he does "advantage plays" of a different kind) would be better participants here if they would do less criticizing and shared more of their knowledge.

Sharing knowledge does not mean revealing the particular dealer at the particular casino who flashes cards. Sharing knowledge does not mean revealing the single video poker machine that in error offers 9/5 BONUS poker.

But sharing knowledge does mean offering something constructive and without the constant insulting.

Problem is that sharing knowledge and experiences doesn't seem to be what the members here want. In my short time here in the last week and a few days last summer, it is rather obvious this is a 'conflict' site. Any kind of sharing of experiences and knowledge is met with some sort of challenge to prove what you claim or have said.

I bumped a thread, 'bet what?' from last summer, so I could specifically answer a question from Dan Druff about "how I am able to make a living playing blackjack in post-2000 Vegas". I answered in detail, about identifying and playing within certain levels that are better tolerated by casinos, and focusing on short sessions, to keep your exposure at any one setting short, and keep your wins smaller, so as not to create a problem that anyone has to answer for.

What I got back was a "yeah right. Care to prove your claims?" THAT kind of atmosphere is not going to inspire many AP's to share anything.

[Alan Mendelson]

People will share what's true. Anything that happens in public is public.

If there is a public offer from a casino why would you keep it a secret when the casino had made it public (Axel's claim about a 150% loss rebate)?

But a dealer flashing cards is not public so that can be kept a secret.

[kewlJ]

People will share what's true. Anything that happens in public is public.

If there is a public offer from a casino why would you keep it a secret when the casino had made it public (Axel's claim about a 150% loss rebate)?

But a dealer flashing cards is not public so that can be kept a secret.

Why would someone (an AP) keep a dealer flashing cards, or a blackjack game dealt to 5.5 of 6 decks a secret, Alan? Because they don't want other AP's to rush in and destroy it. They want to milk it for as long as they can. The same EXACT thing occurs with a casino promo.

These promos aren't designed with the AP in mind, they are designed with the...regular gambler/ploppie in mind. And sometimes those responsible don't consider the consequences of AP's taking "advantage" of the offer/promo until...well they are being hit hard, then they cancel or alter the promo. So why does and AP want to share that with other AP's to destroy prematurely? It may be a public offer that is advertised, but still best to keep it to yourself for as long as possible.

Same thing happens with new games or side bets. The recent "Colorado" play is a perfect example. Nothing secret about that. The casinos advertised it to the public. But they weren't prepared or didn't think it though. So even though nothing secret about it, no AP shares it until they have exhausted it. (that is except for Shackleford...he has a history of destroying AP plays prematurely).

[redietz]

People will share what's true. Anything that happens in public is public.

If there is a public offer from a casino why would you keep it a secret when the casino had made it public (Axel's claim about a 150% loss rebate)?

But a dealer flashing cards is not public so that can be kept a secret.

Why would someone (an AP) keep a dealer flashing cards, or a blackjack game dealt to 5.5 of 6 decks a secret, Alan? Because they don't want other AP's to rush in and destroy it. They want to milk it for as long as they can. The same EXACT thing occurs with a casino promo.

These promos aren't designed with the AP in mind, they are designed with the...regular gambler/ploppie in mind. And sometimes those responsible don't consider the consequences of AP's taking "advantage" of the offer/promo until...well they are being hit hard, then they cancel or alter the promo. So why does and AP want to share that with other AP's to destroy prematurely? It may be a public offer that is advertised, but still best to keep it to yourself for as long as possible.

Same thing happens with new games or side bets. The recent "Colorado" play is a perfect example. Nothing secret about that. The casinos advertised it to the public. But they weren't prepared or didn't think it though. So even though nothing secret about it, no AP shares it until they have exhausted it. (that is except for Shackleford...he has a history of destroying AP plays prematurely).

I'm not an AP, but I can give you an example from the world of sports betting that might be relevant here. The normal "vig" for a sports book on a spread bet is -110. When a book offers a promo, usually for a specific day or a few hours, that drops the edge to -108, -105, or less, that promo is public and usually gets a mention in local tabloids (like Rob's Gaming Today) or the sports section of newspapers. While those public mentions will draw in people and make the promo "public," the effect isn't complete or overwhelming as often times these promos are not mentioned on the casino websites. If it's a regular weekly discount, eventually everyone will find out about it, but if it's new, that'll take awhile to happen.

I would never share those promos with others. The more people who know about it, the more likely any outlier numbers get pounded, and then they would be gone.

Similarly, big Monday night promos were common 20 years ago (not so much now). Circus-Circus, for example, had drawings where your number of tickets was based on your sports bet size. Circus-Circus had some very generous drawings, usually $100 or so for quarters and halftime, plus as much as $500 for the final drawing, plus steakhouse giveaways and such. No big bettors attended the Circus-Circus drawings, so I did. I would never tell anyone about these public promotions or recommend them to others. I walked away with $500 on multiple occasions and a number of generous restaurant comps. Some weeks, only about 30 people were in attendance.

Public promotions only have so much penetration into the market, and often completely miss those who would most advantageously exploit them.