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[Biloxi Bill]

Belly is a nutless wonder acting tough behind an anonymous monitor.....a broke pussy like him wouldn`t have the sack to meet up with anyone face to face

[coach belly]

Does Mickey agree that those were the original terms? "I would have no problem laying someone 100 to 1 that they won't be ahead on a 98% game after 1 million hands."

Because if there were no other terms, I can't understand why he's objecting to the play on a 100-hand machine?

He added the other terms after I accepted the original challenge...here's a summary

By definition, the terms of a bet would include critical details such as game type. You couldn't possibly agree to the terms because he didn't specify them.

I'll play a 98% game. He originally wrote a 98% game...then he eliminated all 98% games except those that would make the challenge unrealistic.

He provided a framework for a bet to be negotiated in good faith

Negotiated in good faith? He says his conditions are non-negotiable. His intention is to make the challenge unrealistic.

Alan explains that here:

You will play it on a single line game.

At 800 hands per hour, that's 1,250 hours or a little more than 52 days of non-stop play.

If someone were to play for 8 hours a day, it would now become a project that would take more than 150 days to complete.

Coach, you can do 100-play for this challenge (if you can find it).

On a 100 play machine at 800 hands per hour it's 12.5 hours.

the real reason I won't allow 100 play is if you get lucky and flop a few royals.

Seems to me that you are saying that you will not allow a fair bet?

What's the odds for getting dealt a royal?

1/629,740.

[redietz]

Does Mickey agree that those were the original terms? "I would have no problem laying someone 100 to 1 that they won't be ahead on a 98% game after 1 million hands."

Because if there were no other terms, I can't understand why he's objecting to the play on a 100-hand machine? And I would think that if the WOV guys would agree with Mickey, I can't understand why those smart fellows wouldn't have stipulated from the start that it had to be on a single line machine. I would think that as smart as they all are, these details would not be left till later.

Technically, Alan, "100-play video poker" is never labeled "100-hand video poker." There's a reason for that.

If you're going by the letter of the law, mickey should have stipulated a single line machine. If you're going by the letter of the law, coach should have argued for "plays" being the bet, not "hands." Plays are not hands. That's why the games makers felt it necessary to call them "100-play" machines and not "100 hands" machines. In fact, there may be a legal requirement they be called plays rather than hands. Regnis, any thoughts on that?

It comes down to definitions, possibly legal definitions.

[coach belly]

Does Mickey agree that those were the original terms? "I would have no problem laying someone 100 to 1 that they won't be ahead on a 98% game after 1 million hands."

Because if there were no other terms, I can't understand why he's objecting to the play on a 100-hand machine?

I'm still willing to accept your bet as stated below...100 to 1 that I won't be ahead after one million hands on a 98% game.

No add-on nonsense conditions...we play it straight just like you wrote it from the start.

My intention is to take the original bet, but you have shown yourself to be a phony by adding conditions and restrictions that make the whole thing impractical and unrealistic...even though my chance of winning the bet is about 0.0000000000001%.

Challenge to take place in Butte, Montana. Terms non negotiable. Take it or leave it.

The name of the casino wont be divulged until you arrive in Butte....alone.

Alan will not be holding my money. Non negotiable.

No problem?...what assurance is there that you'll even show up?

99% chance coach won't go through with this in a fair manner

[coach belly]

"100-play video poker" is never labeled "100-hand video poker." There's a reason for that.

Plays are not hands.

Looks like the Wizard doesn't agree with you...

https://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wiz...er/multi-hand/

It's more likely that "100-play" sounds catchier than "100-hand" , so that's what they named it.

[Alan Mendelson]

Belly is a nutless wonder acting tough behind an anonymous monitor.....a broke pussy like him wouldn`t have the sack to meet up with anyone face to face

And behind your anonymous moniker (or is it monitor, LOL)?

[redietz]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the game manufacturers and the casinos outrank Shackleford in terms of the designated name of their game.

It's easy enough to debunk this. If anyone finds a machine that is labeled a "100-hand" machine, that would settle it. My hypothesis is that nobody's going to find one.

As far as disagreeing with Shackleford, I disagree with Shackleford on many things. I don't hold him in much esteem.

[Alan Mendelson]

Technically, Alan, "100-play video poker" is never labeled "100-hand video poker." There's a reason for that.

If you're going by the letter of the law, mickey should have stipulated a single line machine. If you're going by the letter of the law, coach should have argued for "plays" being the bet, not "hands." Plays are not hands. That's why the games makers felt it necessary to call them "100-play" machines and not "100 hands" machines. In fact, there may be a legal requirement they be called plays rather than hands. Regnis, any thoughts on that?

It comes down to definitions, possibly legal definitions.

No, you tried this "definition" issue previously. It doesn't work.

Regardless of what the law says or how the games are labeled WE ALL KNOW what is being discussed here. Plays = hands. Period.

That was never an issue before.

The issue is Mickey is concerned about the variance of a 100-hand or 100-play machine vs a single line game.

There is no definition debate here. Don't try to create it. It's not going to work.

And, the words hand and play have always been interchangeable.

[Alan Mendelson]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the game manufacturers and the casinos outrank Shackleford in terms of the designated name of their game.

It's easy enough to debunk this. If anyone finds a machine that is labeled a "100-hand" machine, that would settle it. My hypothesis is that nobody's going to find one.

this is bullshit. drop it.

[coach belly]

And behind your anonymous moniker (or is it monitor, LOL)?

That's LoneStarHorse AKA OneArmedBandit AKA HesNotMyPres

Remember when he offered to pay this forum's maintenance fee?

I exposed and humiliated him here, then Druff kicked him to the curb.

He still hasn't gotten over it...so he's on a mission.

You'd think he'd be able to handle it better, since the same thing's happened to him several times on all different forums.

We were supposed to meet in AC, so he could pay off a bet he lost to me, but he scurried back into his hole when he saw his shadow.

[coach belly]

It's easy enough to debunk this. If anyone finds a machine that is labeled a "100-hand" machine, that would settle it. My hypothesis is that nobody's going to find one.

I believe that you "Select Hands" and "Bet per Hand" on the multi-play machines.

What do you suppose that means?

[redietz]

No thanks, Alan. If the designation is "100 Play" instead of "100 Hand," and multiple manufacturers have committed to it, there's probably a reason. But if you have evidence to the contrary, be my guest.

[Biloxi Bill]

And behind your anonymous moniker (or is it monitor, LOL)?

That's LoneStarHorse AKA OneArmedBandit AKA HesNotMyPres

Remember when he offered to pay this forum's maintenance fee?

I exposed and humiliated him here, then Druff kicked him to the curb.

He still hasn't gotten over it...so he's on a mission.

You'd think he'd be able to handle it better, since the same thing's happened to him several times on all different forums.

We were supposed to meet in AC, so he could pay off a bet he lost to me, but he scurried back into his hole when he saw his shadow.

I`m not who you think I am Coach Sandusky....and don`t talk to me about paying off bets. Didn`t you just stiff a whole forum of their entry fees in a bogus contest you ran??. Yeah I heard that story

[Rob.Singer]

redietz is simply spreading his corn again because he knows he's pushing definition BS. He's on mickey's side because of his AP persuasion, but apparently he has yet to figure out the foolishness of doing so. If you play one hand of VP, it's exactly the same as a single play. And if you max bet a one hundred play machine, you'll end up with 100 hands. Pretty simple, stupid. Now you can go check with your collection of math professors and lawyers, but all they'll do is laugh profusely.

Bottom line--mickey chickened out, and he cannot save face on this one.

Coach, you mean this clown Biloxi bill is the same yellowbelly with the make believe family who was afraid to meet with me in the Hard Rock garage after dark? How cowardly is this chump??

[coach belly]

I`m not who you think I am Coach Sandusky....and don`t talk to me about paying off bets. Didn`t you just stiff a whole forum of their entry fees in a bogus contest you ran??. Yeah I heard that story

OK Donkey...be careful, it's easy to spot your tells, you're going off the rails again.

[coach belly]

Coach, you mean this clown Biloxi bill is the same yellowbelly with the make believe family who was afraid to meet with me in the Hard Rock garage after dark?

Yes, it's the Donkey back for another whipping. His tells are easy to spot...

Didn`t you just stiff a whole forum of their entry fees in a bogus contest you ran??. Yeah I heard that story

[Biloxi Bill]

Coach, you mean this clown Biloxi bill is the same yellowbelly with the make believe family who was afraid to meet with me in the Hard Rock garage after dark?

Yes, it's the Donkey back for another whipping. His tells are easy to spot...

Didn`t you just stiff a whole forum of their entry fees in a bogus contest you ran??. Yeah I heard that story

You know what I`m talking about scumbag. Careful or I`ll tell the forum you stiffed where you`re hiding. Glad to see ypu realized ignoring me wont work

[coach belly]

But if you have evidence to the contrary, be my guest.

It says right on all of the multi-play machines "Select Hands".

When you select 100 hands, you see images...100 groups of 5 cards each...right on the screen in front of you.

Those are the hands that you are playing, they are individual hands of VP.

That's why it says "Select Hands", that means those groups of cards are the hands.

[coach belly]

You know what I`m talking about scumbag. Careful or I`ll tell the forum you stiffed where you`re hiding.

Oh boy...the men in the white coats can't be far behind.

[Biloxi Bill]

redietz is simply spreading his corn again because he knows he's pushing definition BS. He's on mickey's side because of his AP persuasion, but apparently he has yet to figure out the foolishness of doing so. If you play one hand of VP, it's exactly the same as a single play. And if you max bet a one hundred play machine, you'll end up with 100 hands. Pretty simple, stupid. Now you can go check with your collection of math professors and lawyers, but all they'll do is laugh profusely.

Bottom line--mickey chickened out, and he cannot save face on this one.

Coach, you mean this clown Biloxi bill is the same yellowbelly with the make believe family who was afraid to meet with me in the Hard Rock garage after dark? How cowardly is this chump??

If anyone has seen your wife/great grandmother, they`d think you would want a "make believe" family too