BS AP's

[Alan Mendelson]

I think we all agree Biloxi Bill is now dead in the water.

Thanks for stopping by, Biloxi Bill.

[Rob.Singer]

And we can all agree coach made him eat his lunch more times than we can count. In my case, after I spotted his multiple lies about his "family" and the Wynn, it's been easy picking his bs apart piece by piece. The best part about all this is that exposing him gets under his skin easier than a pimp trying out the new talent.

[Biloxi Bill]

I must say it`s very amusing watching you and your lover boy Coach Jackoff trying to figure out who I am....not quite as amusing as you taking your wife out in public without a leash on though...freaks folks out in shopping malls I`m sure

[mickeycrimm]

Can someone please post the original bet/challenge so we can see the actual wording, and what was accepted as the terms and when they were accepted?

Who cares? I was talking about 1 million hands as classically played, you are dealt five cards and you can draw up to five cards. I never said anything about 10,000 hands on a hundred play.

A HUNDRED PLAY IS NOT PLAYING 100 DIFFERENT HANDS AT THE SAME TIME.

IT IS PLAYING THE SAME HAND WITH 100 DIFFERENT DRAWS.

[mickeycrimm]

[QUOTE=Alan Mendelson;49843]

And behind your anonymous moniker (or is it monitor, LOL)?

Alan, while you are at it get the name of the person hiding behind the anonymous moniker, coach belly.

[coach belly]

[QUOTE=mickeycrimm;49866]

And behind your anonymous moniker (or is it monitor, LOL)?

Alan, while you are at it get the name of the person hiding behind the anonymous moniker, coach belly.

David Bell

[Biloxi Bill]

[QUOTE=coach belly;49867]

Alan, while you are at it get the name of the person hiding behind the anonymous moniker, coach belly.

David Bell

LOL, sure it is....more like Davey Ballonmychin

[Rob.Singer]

Can someone please post the original bet/challenge so we can see the actual wording, and what was accepted as the terms and when they were accepted?

Who cares? I was talking about 1 million hands as classically played, you are dealt five cards and you can draw up to five cards. I never said anything about 10,000 hands on a hundred play.

A HUNDRED PLAY IS NOT PLAYING 100 DIFFERENT HANDS AT THE SAME TIME.

IT IS PLAYING THE SAME HAND WITH 100 DIFFERENT DRAWS.

I'd quit while you're behind mickey.

[redietz]

Can someone please post the original bet/challenge so we can see the actual wording, and what was accepted as the terms and when they were accepted?

Who cares? I was talking about 1 million hands as classically played, you are dealt five cards and you can draw up to five cards. I never said anything about 10,000 hands on a hundred play.

A HUNDRED PLAY IS NOT PLAYING 100 DIFFERENT HANDS AT THE SAME TIME.

IT IS PLAYING THE SAME HAND WITH 100 DIFFERENT DRAWS.

I'd quit while you're behind mickey.

That was good, mickey. You teased out the crucial difference and stated it pretty clearly. Hard to argue with that.

[Rob.Singer]

But what a shame he never articulated that point when he made the challenge....It's what every AP always does--they go in thinking they know it all, and when the facts get fed to them that they clearly don't and the bet gets real at the same time, they either run for the hills or argue the parameters, hoping that it'll all just go away. Cowardice without prejudice.

[redietz]

Hey, Rob, still want to bet I'm the R.E.Dietz who won the Wise Guys Contest?

[RS__]

This is stupid. Blackasshole and coach belly are trying to go for this "gotcha!" moment. We all know what Mickey meant when he introduced the 100-1 bet. Coach belly is just a troll that posts stupid shit pretending he's following in Rob Stringer's amazing footsteps even though he probably doesn't even gamble. Blackasshole doesn't understand how math works and thinks AP's are making shit up because he can't fathom the idea someone can actually win with a legitimate edge in a casino.

Let's not give these guys (including Rob Stringer) the time of day to respond to their nonsense. The same goes for Alan, although that should go without saying.

[mickeycrimm]

But what a shame he never articulated that point when he made the challenge....It's what every AP always does--they go in thinking they know it all, and when the facts get fed to them that they clearly don't and the bet gets real at the same time, they either run for the hills or argue the parameters, hoping that it'll all just go away. Cowardice without prejudice.

You routinely misquote and mislead people . I never challenged anyone. All I said was I would have no problem laying 100 to 1 against someone being ahead on a 98% game after one million hands. It was fat belly that made the challenge and tried to switch it to a hundred play where the deal button gets hit just 10,000 times. I would never lay 100 to 1 on just 10,000 deals.

And who fed me the facts? It certainly wasn't you. You know absolutely nothing about the mathematics of gambling. All you know is quackery. I was the one who explained it would be a negative expectation bet at just 10,000 deals. So I'm sure you guys are raring to go on it now after I explained it. But, unlike you, I don't make negative expectation bets.

[Alan Mendelson]

Unfortunately it wasn't specified in Mickey's original statement that the million hands had to be played on a single line game. You can't dispute that.

Coach came up with the idea of using a 100-line game.

Mickey worries that Coach might be dealt some big winners and lose to that volatility.

That's where this stands. Everything else is static. Everything else is spam. Save your insults guys, including those in the peanut gallery.

This bet will never be played out.

Next.

[mickeycrimm]

Mickey worries that Coach might be dealt some big winners and lose to that volatility.

I'm not worried about anything. I'm just not going to make a dumb bet. The chances/odds of being at breakeven or ahead is dependent on the number of times the deal button is hit. Laying 100 to 1 I would have positive expectation on 1 million deals but it would be a negative expectation bet at just 10,000 deals. Consult your favorite mathematicians.

[blackhole]

This is stupid. Blackasshole and coach belly are trying to go for this "gotcha!" moment. We all know what Mickey meant when he introduced the 100-1 bet. Coach belly is just a troll that posts stupid shit pretending he's following in Rob Stringer's amazing footsteps even though he probably doesn't even gamble. Blackasshole doesn't understand how math works and thinks AP's are making shit up because he can't fathom the idea someone can actually win with a legitimate edge in a casino.

Let's not give these guys (including Rob Stringer) the time of day to respond to their nonsense. The same goes for Alan, although that should go without saying.

Words of wisdom from the great RS

Since I’ve read about several great AP moves in the past I certainly believe it happens. But, every great move I read about means it’s been exposed and that move is over. I also believe for example the famous Phil Ivey and many other famous poker and AP players who all became or were already degenerate gamblers, will end up if not already broke and in debt. The well does dry up and could only handle so much of losing hundreds of thousands of dollars on crap tables, golf courses, etc. etc. These pros may be gifted with certain traits but are for the most part dumb as rocks. Great plays come and go, and the only thing in between is a shitty grind the casinos will always try and stop, but aren’t really overly concerned about.

I’ve also noticed you never read anything from these pros on forums. There nowhere to be found. All you do read about on these forums are envious morons like prime example “RS” who want to convince everyone reading them that their the real deal, and are no different than the proven exposed big boys.

The alleged AP’s on these forums, (several who admitted they began their AP career while being homeless already) are two-bit gambling junkies traveling all over the place for free food, comps, and a few bucks. Many if not all who are on Medicaid and bilking the system for other freebies. Not one of these idiots with any real future in their forecast have ever proven anything positive about their AP claims. Just a bunch of bullshit. Not one of them have ever been exposed of a great play. Their claim to fame is getting trespassed. Heck, I’ve even been accused of card counting which is hilarious just for getting lucky and kicking their ass.

Not only are these two-bit phony alleged forum AP’s envious of the big boy exposed AP’s, their envious of the people that could spend a week in a casino and lose more than they could make in a year. These same people are laughing all the way home and looking forward to the next visit. By the way, several times these same people having a good time losing money could also win more in one visit then these assholes on these forums could make in one year.

Players like Alan who like and could afford to gamble of course want to play the smartest way possible giving them the best odds of a win. Winning for people who could afford it is nothing but free ammo for the next visit. Plus, there’s always that chance for the big win.

These two-bit alleged AP’s are grinding out a bullshit life (like Mickey allegedly confirms) that could crumble at any time, and going forward is always getting worse and worse.

When people are able to visit casinos, and enjoy them for the gamble, RFB, shows, getting their asses licked like their something special will always drive the two-bit AP’s up a wall.

All AP’s really got is coming to sites like this and trying to prove with unproven bullshit how much smarter they are able to grind endless nickels out of a casino. Why else would they even be here? It makes no sense at all why any AP would be here bragging about their business. Are they trying to motivate everyone reading these forums to get the same idea and weaken their bread and butter market?

I’m not here to prove anything about myself, since I make no alleged claims of anything. You assholes are the ones talking all this nonsense with nothing but typed words.

Then again, maybe I could suck “redietz’s” dick and he’ll finally show me some meaningless handicapping tournaments he won.

Really guys, take a fucken walk and pack your lonely envious bullshit up and take it with you

[Alan Mendelson]

The chances/odds of being at breakeven or ahead is dependent on the number of times the deal button is hit.

I don't think that's true. According to The Wizard, Dancer, Grochowski and everything else I've read the EV is the same.

I think you need to ask this over at WOV. I'm not a member there anymore so I can't ask it. I would love to see what that braintrust has to say.

However, if you will just say you're afraid of the volatility (and not the EV) of Coach on a 100-line game, we can put this to rest.

[redietz]

This is stupid. Blackasshole and coach belly are trying to go for this "gotcha!" moment. We all know what Mickey meant when he introduced the 100-1 bet. Coach belly is just a troll that posts stupid shit pretending he's following in Rob Stringer's amazing footsteps even though he probably doesn't even gamble. Blackasshole doesn't understand how math works and thinks AP's are making shit up because he can't fathom the idea someone can actually win with a legitimate edge in a casino.

Let's not give these guys (including Rob Stringer) the time of day to respond to their nonsense. The same goes for Alan, although that should go without saying.

Words of wisdom from the great RS

Since I’ve read about several great AP moves in the past I certainly believe it happens. But, every great move I read about means it’s been exposed and that move is over. I also believe for example the famous Phil Ivey and many other famous poker and AP players who all became or were already degenerate gamblers, will end up if not already broke and in debt. The well does dry up and could only handle so much of losing hundreds of thousands of dollars on crap tables, golf courses, etc. etc. These pros may be gifted with certain traits but are for the most part dumb as rocks. Great plays come and go, and the only thing in between is a shitty grind the casinos will always try and stop, but aren’t really overly concerned about.

I’ve also noticed you never read anything from these pros on forums. There nowhere to be found. All you do read about on these forums are envious morons like prime example “RS” who want to convince everyone reading them that their the real deal, and are no different than the proven exposed big boys.

The alleged AP’s on these forums, (several who admitted they began their AP career while being homeless already) are two-bit gambling junkies traveling all over the place for free food, comps, and a few bucks. Many if not all who are on Medicaid and bilking the system for other freebies. Not one of these idiots with any real future in their forecast have ever proven anything positive about their AP claims. Just a bunch of bullshit. Not one of them have ever been exposed of a great play. Their claim to fame is getting trespassed. Heck, I’ve even been accused of card counting which is hilarious just for getting lucky and kicking their ass.

Not only are these two-bit phony alleged forum AP’s envious of the big boy exposed AP’s, their envious of the people that could spend a week in a casino and lose more than they could make in a year. These same people are laughing all the way home and looking forward to the next visit. By the way, several times these same people having a good time losing money could also win more in one visit then these assholes on these forums could make in one year.

Players like Alan who like and could afford to gamble of course want to play the smartest way possible giving them the best odds of a win. Winning for people who could afford it is nothing but free ammo for the next visit. Plus, there’s always that chance for the big win.

These two-bit alleged AP’s are grinding out a bullshit life (like Mickey allegedly confirms) that could crumble at any time, and going forward is always getting worse and worse.

When people are able to visit casinos, and enjoy them for the gamble, RFB, shows, getting their asses licked like their something special will always drive the two-bit AP’s up a wall.

All AP’s really got is coming to sites like this and trying to prove with unproven bullshit how much smarter they are able to grind endless nickels out of a casino. Why else would they even be here? It makes no sense at all why any AP would be here bragging about their business. Are they trying to motivate everyone reading these forums to get the same idea and weaken their bread and butter market?

I’m not here to prove anything about myself, since I make no alleged claims of anything. You assholes are the ones talking all this nonsense with nothing but typed words.

Then again, maybe I could suck “redietz’s” dick and he’ll finally show me some meaningless handicapping tournaments he won.

Really guys, take a fucken walk and pack your lonely envious bullshit up and take it with you

LOL -- most of what you've written could be applicable to people making a living in any walk of life. Not terribly famous? Yeah, I'd say that applies to your run of the mill lawyer, accountant, police officer, soldier, nurse, teacher. Not a 1%er? Yeah, same deal.

I'm technically not an AP, but I'm glad to be doing what I'm doing, and I will defend them. I always felt being arguably the best at whatever I do could give me a platform for other endeavors. It just so happened that this was what I did best. It hasn't worked out as well as I would have liked, but (to paraphrase from Blade Runner) what does? There wouldn't be nationally published articles, or op ed debates, or professional papers without my expertise. Would I like to be on television every day? Not really. A Christmas special would be nice, though. Sad to say, nobody's asked, and I'm too busy being good to do podcasts. Would I like to hang out in a multi-million dollar pad? Ask my friend, Tony Stark.

As for you blackhole, you assume what? A person shouldn't revel and take pride in their expertise? It's more important to be the dude blowing the big bucks to casinos like a horse's ass? If you say so. I'd rather have the expertise. That's what gets you remembered. That's what gets you published.

Blackhole thinks he's somehow making a revelatory point here. He's not. I run into people like him every day. People who continually lose to casinos have issues of all sort with people who don't. Famous people have issues with people who win. Wealthy people have issues with people who win. The run-of-the-mill schmuck who donates 5K a year to casinos has issues with people who win. It sticks in their craw. It undermines their self image. It really, really bothers them.

Good, It should.

[blackhole]

I'm convinced redietz is mentally challenged. The only thing you walk into everyday are walls. Get lost and find some help you fn weirdo.

[redietz]

I'm convinced redietz is mentally challenged. The only thing you walk into everyday are walls. Get lost and find some help you fn weirdo.

That was cogent, blackhole. Well done, buddy.

By the way, and just speaking for myself, I'm not lonely. I'm certainly not envious, except maybe of Brad Pitt.