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  1. #81
    What do you mean by "killed" the blackjack?

    These days "killed" sometimes means he beat the heck out of the game/machine and won a lot of money. But "killed" can also mean he forced the casinos to remove the game.

    So, what do you mean by "killed"?

  2. #82
    bocce ball said it was by a combination of posting about it publicly, lying/being-wrong about the math.

  3. #83
    Originally Posted by bocce ball View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    If mickey were 20-something, I'd tell him to not do it, as it gives too much away.
    A hater showed up in the comments where the podcast is posted at the GWAE site. The complaint is that Mickey killed 3-to-2 video BJ in Reno by some combination of posting about it publicly, lying about the math, and/or being wrong about the math.

    It all happened on vpfree Reno apparently. I'll look there when I have time, then maybe I'll understand the complaint.
    Those rules in Reno were great.
    Take off that stupid mask you big baby.

  4. #84
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    bocce ball said it was by a combination of posting about it publicly, lying/being-wrong about the math.
    I didn't understand the exact nature of the complaint, but the assertion was that mickey's public comments caused the games to be removed.

  5. #85
    Originally Posted by bocce ball View Post
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    bocce ball said it was by a combination of posting about it publicly, lying/being-wrong about the math.
    I didn't understand the exact nature of the complaint, but the assertion was that mickey's public comments caused the games to be removed.
    Yes, he said it was my fault for discussing the game online then went on to say how they were discussing and trading information on the game at bj21....as if bj21 is immune to being infiltrated by casino execs. The guy is a nitwit.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  6. #86
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    bocce ball said it was by a combination of posting about it publicly, lying/being-wrong about the math.
    I was not wrong about the math according to the Wizard's blackjack house edge calculator. These were the rules listed on the rules screen.

    Single deck first hand off the top
    H17
    LS
    Double 10-11 only
    Blackjack pays 5 for 2
    Six Card Charlie

    There were two rules in effect in the game that were not listed on the game rules screen. For what reason I don't know. Those rules were you could double 10-11 after the split, and when you split aces and caught a ten it automatically payed blackjack.

    If you use all of the above rules on the Wizard's site you will find it's a 100% game, not 99.7% like numnuts reported. There was a 99.7% version that came out much later than the original game and that's the one he is talking about. That version didn't have the glitches the original version had.

    I can see where 99.7% on a low variance game would be good enough if you are getting good cashback/freeplay. If the game dried up then the real reason it did is because numnuts and others pounded the hell out of it.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #87
    Mickey has responded at GWAE. I looked back at vpFREE_Reno, where the controversy appears to have arisen from a Reno visitor's 2007 post titled "Cal-Neva super sign-up bonus."

    Mickey's adversary posted there as "fordscks." Looking through the 34 messages in the thread, everyone who expressed an opinion was critical of fordscks for his attitude and demeanor. Mickey was a respected member of the community. Fordscks was considered an irritant.

  8. #88
    What was the maximum bet on this blackjack game?

  9. #89
    Mickey posted that Cal-Neva had $10 denom, 10-coin max.

    He explained that the game was available for years without attention from APs, but then the casino implemented a slot club including double-point days worth 0.25%.

    After that, the casino reacted by downgrading the game rules. I have to go back and look, but I assume we're talking about the Reno Cal-Neva (listed as Club Cal Neva on vpfree2), rather than the Tahoe Cal Neva associated with Frankie Sinatra.

  10. #90
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    What was the maximum bet on this blackjack game?
    The game had different max bets in different locations. At Rampart where I first played the game the denoms were 25/50/1/2 and the max bet was 10 coins, except....some of them had a "let it ride" feature. If you bet 10 coins and won then you could bet 20 coins, if you won that hand you could bet 40 coins, etc. The game was 10 coin quarters in most locations. The Peppermill properties in Wendover had 20 coin dollars. And the Cal/Neva had a 10 coin $10 denom game. I never played it but they also had 10 coin quarters and dollars.

    I worked a .6% cashback promo for a month at Rampart. The thing about video blackjack is it's a very low variance game compared to video poker. 9/6 Jacks has a variance of 19 where the video blackjack game had a variance of 3. So the VBJ was great for cashback promotions. It was like payday everyday. I got 1.5% cashback on the game out of the Silver Nugget in Sparks for awhile until they downgraded it.

    The game was also great for drawings where the tickets are based on action.

    Working the let it ride feature increased the total wager hence, more cashback. But it also increased the variance.

    The full pay version had a very different looking rules screen than the bad pay version so it was easy to identify the full pay version just by looking at the rules screen when looking though Game Kings. The 3rd version of the game, the 99.7% version first appeared at the Cal Neva about 2005. They changed out the full pay version for this one. It was the first time I ever seen this version but it had it's own unique looking rules screen so it was still easy to identify the full pay version when looking though Game Kings. When this new version came out I assumed that IGT had caught up with the glitches and eliminated them.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  11. #91
    Do you get paid by the character or by the page to type this stuff out day after day? Just wondering. I could've asked who cares, but that seems obvious.

  12. #92
    Originally Posted by OneHitWonder View Post
    Do you get paid by the character or by the page to type this stuff out day after day? Just wondering. I could've asked who cares, but that seems obvious.
    It looks like The Confederacy of Dunces has a new member to replace Rob.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  13. #93
    And that the smartest people are the ones banned. Like survivor television, they want the idiots to remain to keep the idiotic arguing going.

  14. #94
    MC is not an idiot.

    He's just "different" than the stereotypical AP.
    Last edited by MisterV; 10-06-2017 at 12:41 PM.
    What, Me Worry?

  15. #95
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    What do you mean by "killed" the blackjack?

    These days "killed" sometimes means he beat the heck out of the game/machine and won a lot of money. But "killed" can also mean he forced the casinos to remove the game.

    So, what do you mean by "killed"?
    Killed it: in the AP world almost always means.... got it shut down, taken out, changed or downgraded. Crushed it: is the term most people use(AP or not) when they mean to say they beat the heck out of it.

  16. #96
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    MC is not an idiot.

    He's just "different" than the stereotypical AP.
    LOL, i see you changed that comment(probably a good thing). I had to do a double take. I was thinking, WOW I can't believe he just said that.

  17. #97
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    MC is not an idiot.

    He's just "different" than the stereotypical AP.
    The stereotypical AP is what? Were there such a profession, then it would still defy definition. I think you mean the Shackleford's, who sell out the people they claim to assist.

    As for idiot, I didn't call MC an idiot, even though he called me one. It doesn't make much sense to hang around message boards all day, typing away; but he can still get on to something better if he isn't an idiot.

  18. #98
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    MC is not an idiot.

    He's just "different" than the stereotypical AP.
    LOL, i see you changed that comment(probably a good thing). I had to do a double take. I was thinking, WOW I can't believe he just said that.
    Remember when Mendelson thought MC to be another Paddock? When he reported him to the cops. Lol.

  19. #99
    The other thing, too, I guess that the survivor shows keep one "bitch" on at a time.

  20. #100
    What's interesting about the glitched game is that if you split 10s (or face cards) and hit an Ace, you get 3:2, just as you would splitting Aces and getting a 10 on one or both Aces. I've only seen the glitched games such that you only get one card after splitting aces whether you get a blackjack or not. Has any one ever encountered an IGT video BJ game where you get to take more than one hit after splitting a pair of Aces ? I wonder how many configurable rules there are for IGT video BJ.
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    When this new version came out I assumed that IGT had caught up with the glitches and eliminated them.

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