STRIP SHOOTING VERY BAD

[MisterV]

Yes, but as we'll never meet, the point is moot.

Most of us know each other on these solely by the content of our writings.

I've no idea as to his personal appearance, where he lives, how he spends the hours of his existence, nor do I care to know.

[mickeycrimm]

That is a very odd rationale.

That "discovery" did not lead in itself to an ability to coexist; it came after the fact.

He's a pretty sharp guy, just try not to piss him off.

Fuck him. He's an idiot asshole with no redeeming qualities.

[OneHitWonder]

That is a very odd rationale.

That "discovery" did not lead in itself to an ability to coexist; it came after the fact.

He's a pretty sharp guy, just try not to piss him off.

Fuck him. He's an idiot asshole with no redeeming qualities.

V and S are an oreo sandwich at http://thepenaltybox.freeforums.net/...ral-discussion .

I guess that you are only as sharp as your last response.

[OneHitWonder]

I've no idea as to his personal appearance, where he lives, how he spends the hours of his existence, nor do I care to know.

I believe he said, years ago at the Gambler's Glen, that he is a male nurse or hospital attendant. Something like that. I'm surprised that you don't care to know then.

[OneHitWonder]

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A not so sharp man becomes aware of a threat and does little other than say his prayers.

You seem to equate stupidity, and for that matter, religion, with prayer. Or, are you afraid of inaction or passiveness? For brevity, I will say only that many men much more smarter and effective in life than you or I have indulged in prayer and other scientific speculation.

[MisterV]

You seem to equate stupidity, and for that matter, religion, with prayer. Or, are you afraid of inaction or passiveness? For brevity, I will say only that many men much more smarter and effective in life than you or I have indulged in prayer and other scientific speculation.

A Catholic falls off the subway platform into the path of an oncoming train.

If reasonably sharp, he'd get up and climb back onto the platform; if not so sharp, he'd pray that the train doesn't hit him.

Inaction and passivity are fine in their place, for example while asleep or engaged in contemplation..

I do not believe in god, and believe that only when and if the people of the world cast off the yoke of religion can there ever be a chance for true world peace; as a student of history I've seen the horrors perpetrated (and still being perpetrated) upon people in the name of religion.

Go ahead, believe what you want, but if you really want to play this game, try to prove that god exists.

I'll concede that there are many fundamental mysteries that I do not understand, primarily the origin of matter and the notion of time.

I was raised catholic and as a teen rejected the church's dogma as silly; c'mon, a virgin Mary? A holy ghost? Original sin? Limbo? Puh-lease!

[regnis]

Any thoughts on his being allowed to use the service elevator? I think that increases the hotel's liability exposure. I never knew the use of the service elevator to be a perk for VIP's.

[MisterV]

Presumably he worked through a host; what does the host say about him, his proclivities, his personality?

So far as him using the service elevator, why shouldn't he have been permitted to?

Casinos do much more than that to indulge the quirks of valued gamblers there on a hosted comp.

[OneHitWonder]

You seem to equate stupidity, and for that matter, religion, with prayer. Or, are you afraid of inaction or passiveness? For brevity, I will say only that many men much more smarter and effective in life than you or I have indulged in prayer and other scientific speculation.

A Catholic falls off the subway platform into the path of an oncoming train.

If reasonably sharp, he'd get up and climb back onto the platform; if not so sharp, he'd pray that the train doesn't hit him.

Inaction and passivity are fine in their place, for example while asleep or engaged in contemplation..

I do not believe in god, and believe that only when and if the people of the world cast off the yoke of religion and embrace the mantle of science can there ever be true world peace.

Go ahead, believe what you want, but if you really want to play this game, try to prove that god exists.

I'll concede that there are many fundamental mysteries that I do not understand, primarily the origin of matter, the notion of time, and the creation and evolution of life.

I was raised catholic and as a teen rejected the church's dogma as silly; c'mon, a virgin Mary? A holy ghost? Original sin? Limbo? Puh-lease!

Sometimes, the best action is no action. To take what information we have, say, and then sit on it to see what develops. And, not to micromanage our lives. Furthermore, I shouldn't have to go on, and believe what I want or not. It's not a matter of that. Especially, not to try to prove out God or atheism in either of a plethora of ways. I don't want to make such a "game" of things.

Einstein wrote that religion is a mix of imagination and fear, but believed in a whole. Yes, it was that stubborn belief which lead him in vain further away from the scientific community, more discoveries, and to write in a letter to one of two or three remaining friends, a week before his death, that his life was a failure in many ways because his equations resisted further application and solution because he had lost his imagination to think in other ways. He prevailed as a man. He lived his philosophies consistently in his science. And it showed. The other week, I put an old, Feynman lecture on television (off the internet). As my LBD friend, and I watched, I noticed how struck he was by his charmed professorial presentation. Another sort of show that holds his attention, at least intermittently, is Penn and Teller. The practiced misdirection or patter of the magicians who attempt to fool them. They do for my friend what the medications can't, and substitute for the anti-psychotic ones which are not allowed him because those will quickly and irrevocably worsen his condition. I guess what I'm getting at, even if not consciously working to, is that there is such a thing as a whole person, as much more or less than a sum of parts.

Your story of the train reminds me of one from a deceased uncle. It's about a storm on an island. God asks an old woman for the reason that she didn't get on the boat of a local who came around to give her a ride off the island. The woman replied that she was waiting for a (big and fancy) boat from God. In life, we must embrace what comes around. There will always be a first and last time for every thing. I think that the Catholic in question could be forgiven for first considering to get off the tracks. At any rate, it's extremely hard to imagine someone so instinctively devout as the old woman who was lost in the storm. Perhaps, the universe as a whole works in mysteriously simple ways.

How is religion responsible for atomic weaponry, mass poverty, over population, CO-2, and on and on? What sort of chicken coop for all but the extremely rich financially will be good enough for you? To which part of the galaxy would you have the ones you don't like retreat? I guess that you equate also all of these bad things with religion. But there is a problem with thinking that religion is the Devil. A logical problem which should immediately tip you off to something wrong with your thinking, even though, as I already noted, I wouldn't set about looking or not for God.

[Alan Mendelson]

Any thoughts on his being allowed to use the service elevator? I think that increases the hotel's liability exposure. I never knew the use of the service elevator to be a perk for VIP's.

Steve Wynn took care to mention that his service elevators were watched. It very well could be that Paddock was able to use the service elevators with no one looking.

[Ozzy]

I've no idea as to his personal appearance, where he lives, how he spends the hours of his existence, nor do I care to know.

I believe he said, years ago at the Gambler's Glen, that he is a male nurse or hospital attendant. Something like that. I'm surprised that you don't care to know then.

LarryS is a ball washer.

[redietz]

I don't know if any of you are checking on it, but some forensic shooting experts have come forward and said there were multiple shooters based on the audio of the site and the state of the room at Mandalay. And these people aren't conspiracy freaks. Basically, you can reconstruct distances fired based on bullets traveling faster than sound.

I suspect there's been some serious misdirection by the authorities. Whenever something has not been addressed, I get cynical. What I mean is -- if audio forensics proved or strongly suggested a single shooter, that would have been trotted out as proof of a single shooter. It wasn't, yet that kind of analysis has undoubtedly been done. So there's probably a reason it hasn't been offered in service of the "lone gunman" scenario that was rammed down our throats four hours after the event.

[kewlJ]

LarryS is a ball washer.

So what? I wash my balls regularly....don't you?

I don't have a problem with LarryS being a male nurse or health care worker or whatever the politically correct term is. It's a noble profession. Nor do I have a problem with him washing balls for a living....the world needs more clean balls.

But it is funny stuff! Axel gets credit for the "ball washing" thing. He said it and Larry immediately went off the deep end and the more it stuck, the more infuriated Larry became. It was a funny meltdown to watch.

[Alan Mendelson]

I don't know if any of you are checking on it, but some forensic shooting experts have come forward and said there were multiple shooters based on the audio of the site and the state of the room at Mandalay. And these people aren't conspiracy freaks. Basically, you can reconstruct distances fired based on bullets traveling faster than sound.

I suspect there's been some serious misdirection by the authorities. Whenever something has not been addressed, I get cynical. What I mean is -- if audio forensics proved or strongly suggested a single shooter, that would have been trotted out as proof of a single shooter. It wasn't, yet that kind of analysis has undoubtedly been done. So there's probably a reason it hasn't been offered in service of the "lone gunman" scenario that was rammed down our throats four hours after the event.

The worst thing for "Vegas" is if it is known that more than one gunman was involved. Then the threat of a repeat becomes greater. So the last thing they want to say -- unless they are forced to -- is that there is/was an organized plot to attack Vegas.

As long as it remains a "lone wolf" they can claim that it's back to normal.

[MisterV]

Multiple shooters?

Where'd the other guy shoot from?

I don't see any other broken windows other than in Paddock's suite, and nobody else left it once the shooting started.

[jbjb]

Was watching Todd on "Live at the Bike" last night when someone in the chat said he looked like Paddock.

[Alan Mendelson]

Multiple shooters?

Where'd the other guy shoot from?

I don't see any other broken windows other than in Paddock's suite, and nobody else left it once the shooting started.

I saw video and heard audio which was purported to be gunfire from the fourth floor. No one has of course confirmed it was gunfire, and I never saw anything about broken windows there or if there was a balcony or some other opening.

Now that we know that the security guard was shot five minutes before the gunfire started, and that the police didn't get to the room till well after the gunfire started, there is the possibility (and I emphasize possibility) that there was a second shooter who escaped before the police arrived.

I don't know. But I really do want to know. And the inconsistencies and how the stories change make it both curious and worrisome.

[redietz]

Multiple shooters?

Where'd the other guy shoot from?

I don't see any other broken windows other than in Paddock's suite, and nobody else left it once the shooting started.

I saw video and heard audio which was purported to be gunfire from the fourth floor. No one has of course confirmed it was gunfire, and I never saw anything about broken windows there or if there was a balcony or some other opening.

Now that we know that the security guard was shot five minutes before the gunfire started, and that the police didn't get to the room till well after the gunfire started, there is the possibility (and I emphasize possibility) that there was a second shooter who escaped before the police arrived.

I don't know. But I really do want to know. And the inconsistencies and how the stories change make it both curious and worrisome.

The people alleging other shooters are saying the other shots came from roughly half the distance -- 220-250 yards, and there's a debate about location, as three different locations are being discussed -- the roof of a gas station, an apartment complex roof, and a mountain of dirt at a construction site.

There's also a criticism of the look of the room -- which should, according to some, have many more shell casings and burns on the rugs from the temperature of the shell casings. The argument is that literally (at minimum) hundreds more shell casings should have been found in the room.

I don't know enough about any of this to have much of an opinion. All I know is that reportage-wise, usually we get pretty precise information on rounds fired from weapon A and then weapon B and stuff like that. But we've had no summaries of rounds recovered or how many from which weapon or anything like that. Paucity of information usually tells you more than whatever information is actually released.

[Alan Mendelson]

The people alleging other shooters are saying the other shots came from roughly half the distance -- 220-250 yards, and there's a debate about location, as three different locations are being discussed -- the roof of a gas station, an apartment complex roof, and a mountain of dirt at a construction site.

There's also a criticism of the look of the room -- which should, according to some, have many more shell casings and burns on the rugs from the temperature of the shell casings. The argument is that literally (at minimum) hundreds more shell casings should have been found in the room.

I don't know enough about any of this to have much of an opinion. All I know is that reportage-wise, usually we get pretty precise information on rounds fired from weapon A and then weapon B and stuff like that. But we've had no summaries of rounds recovered or how many from which weapon or anything like that. Paucity of information usually tells you more than whatever information is actually released.

I never heard anything before about these other shooting locations.

As far as the shell casings... it was a big suite, look at the number of windows it had. Since the guns were located near the windows I suspect that's where the shell casings were. Where he shot himself may not have been near the windows or the actual guns.

[james40]

The internet is going nuts with conspiracy theories. A generation raised on 1 hour crime dramas, NCIS, Law and Order, etc. Clear as a bell photos of perps in and out of their hotel rooms, movements tracked minute by minute. All wrapped up in an hour.

Most people have no idea how little security exists in Las Vegas hotels. If you try and rip off the casino, armed security will be on the scene in moments. A gunman in a hallway of the hotel, unless a guest reports it, probably goes unnoticed. The hotel guests are protected by poorly trained, unarmed "security guards" who call back to their boss to report a problem who then may call 911.

The hotels are worried about drunks and not hassling the guests. Hopefully, this is going to change. I was on jury duty a few months ago and it was TSA type security to get in the building, armed sheriffs, metal detectors, pockets emptied, wands and pat downs.

How would everyone feel about all luggage, bags, backpacks, etc going through a scanner prior to checking in the hotel?