STRIP SHOOTING VERY BAD

[kewlJ]

Sorry, kewlj, I guess this went over your head. I was remarking how the comments on this forum were in connection with his gambling activities... as if that was the most important thing.

On the other hand, maybe I should have just kept it simple: this asshole was not motivated by gambling or gambling debts or anything else. He was out to destroy and terrorize an entire city if not a country.

If that is the case, I apologize, Alan. I have not participated on forums in recent days or even read this thread thoroughly. In skimming, I noticed these remarks and took offense.

But I do stand by the notion that you have some sort of deep seeded contempt for Advantage Play and AP's...perhaps that you don't even realize. And it often comes through loud and clear. BUT....let's save that discussion for another time and thread.

[RS__]

Funny how Alan seems to always be worried about "the English language".....but in this case, he is firmly against it. You can Google the definition of terrorist or terrorism or read what MrV wrote, it's the same thing. You can't just make up definitions (well, you can, but you'd be wrong).


Also, I wasn't aware MrV was an AP.

[Biloxi Bill]

Leave it to Mendelson to make a horrific event somehow into something about AP`s...what an asswipe

[Alan Mendelson]

RS___ the English language changes. But more importantly, is this guy NOT a terrorist because he wasn't waving a flag? Are you really going to put this asshole on the same level as a bum who hits someone over the head to steal their wallet?

There comes a point where the intensity of the crime (numbers hurt, numbers killed, property threatened, fear instilled in the public, response from the local and national governments) raises a criminal act to one of terrorism.

That you would challenge that this guy was a terrorist shocks me. This guy was ready to destroy a city. Did it matter if he carried a flag? Not one bit. His motive and actions alone put him in the category of terrorist.

As I pointed out, a year ago the word "selfie" was not in the dictionary. But before it was in the dictionary did you know what a selfie was?
Are you really going to say this mother fucker was not a terrorist?

Tell that to the 22,000 people being shot at. Tell that to the families of the 58 who were killed. Tell that to the 500+ who were hurt. Tell that to people like me who were locked in a bar and not allowed to leave for four hours until the police gave us the all clear. We were all terrorized.

[Alan Mendelson]

Leave it to Mendelson to make a horrific event somehow into something about AP`s...what an asswipe

Fuck you asshole. I sat in a bar next to a guy who came from the concert covered in blood. The girl standing next to him was shot dead.
The bartender had her hands in her head crying because she just got a phone call that her friend-- a cop-- was killed.

By the grace of God my girlfriend got tickets for the hockey game that night instead of the concert.

[Biloxi Bill]

You sure do drop alot of F bombs for such an esteemed reporter....This thread should be about the horrific incident and the victims and their families....not about some asswipe trying to play word games with what happened

[kewlJ]

I don't often agree with Alan on much, but I do agree with him that this was terrorism. Usually we think of "terrorism" as associated with some sort of political cause or statement. And while there is no immediate indication that is the case here, we don't know for sure because we can't see inside the head of this man and if we could...he was a fuckin madman...purely insane.

When the intent is to create as much damage, loss of life and injury as possible, and secondary....the terror an panic that follow it....that is terrorism in my book, regardless of any kind of motive....sick as it may be.

[Alan Mendelson]

I don't often agree with Alan on much, but I do agree with him that this was terrorism. Usually we think of "terrorism" as associated with some sort of political cause or statement. And while there is no immediate indication that is the case here, we don't know for sure because we can't see inside the head of this man and if we could...he was a fuckin madman...purely insane.

When the intent is to create as much damage, loss of life and injury as possible, and secondary....the terror an panic that follow it....that is terrorism in my book, regardless of any kind of motive....sick as it may be.

Thank you.

[mickeycrimm]

And regarding my comment to MisterV -- he is an AP so he must be right when he says this asshole was not a terrorist.

LOLOL!!! Alan, your dislike of AP's has clouded your judgement to the point that you are assuming people are AP's just by their opinions. Mr. V is not an AP. He is just like you. He plays negative expectation slots. He knows nothing about AP. Ask him and he will tell you.

[Alan Mendelson]

I don't know how many times I have to say it: I don't dislike APs. Now back to the issue here: this event has scarred Vegas. While I was kept in a bar for my safety following the attack, the aftermath has hurt Vegas dramatically. A manager at Caesars told me that on Monday they had only one third of their usual gaming action. Road traffic was sharply reduced on local roads and freeways. MGM may be forced to postpone the new ad campaign that they're about to roll out. The standby campaign of what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas may never see daylight again.

While I wasn't at Caesars Sunday night there was a false alarm about a gunman in the building. Literally within seconds of the alarm the banks on the tables were locked down and the ENTIRE casino staff ran to a pre-arranged evacuation point near the Palace Casino and the swimming pools. This shutdown lasted about 90 minutes I was told.

Now how many conventions do you think will be rescheduled over the next six months?

Is it any wonder now that every press conference will include statements that the city is safe?

[RS__]

RS___ the English language changes. But more importantly, is this guy NOT a terrorist because he wasn't waving a flag? Are you really going to put this asshole on the same level as a bum who hits someone over the head to steal their wallet?

I don't think anyone is saying a bum hitting someone over the head to steal their wallet is as bad as what this guy did. At least, I certainly don't think so.

There comes a point where the intensity of the crime (numbers hurt, numbers killed, property threatened, fear instilled in the public, response from the local and national governments) raises a criminal act to one of terrorism.

That you would challenge that this guy was a terrorist shocks me. This guy was ready to destroy a city. Did it matter if he carried a flag? Not one bit. His motive and actions alone put him in the category of terrorist.

Terrorist: "a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

With the latest information we have, as far as I know, his motive and actions do NOT put him in the category of a terrorist.

As I pointed out, a year ago the word "selfie" was not in the dictionary. But before it was in the dictionary did you know what a selfie was?
Are you really going to say this mother fucker was not a terrorist?

Yes, I knew what a selfie was (is?). The difference here is that the words "terrorist" and "terrorism" are already defined. It's not like we're arguing over some new popular word that doesn't have a definition attached to it.

Tell that to the 22,000 people being shot at. Tell that to the families of the 58 who were killed. Tell that to the 500+ who were hurt. Tell that to people like me who were locked in a bar and not allowed to leave for four hours until the police gave us the all clear. We were all terrorized.

What?

[Alan Mendelson]

What means simply this: tell them he wasn't a terrorist.

[OneHitWonder]

I think debating this is somewhat silly as it's impossible to define "political."

It's impossible to define anything. Otherwise, everything would follow from the one thing we know for sure. In any event, gambling forums should be about Gambler's Anonymous, and the like. It's a sad joke to read this stuff.

[james40]

So yes, it makes all the difference in the world: we must measure our response to any attack based upon the perceived likelihood of its repeatability.[/QUOTE]"

Here's the body count for the last few years (leaving out the ones where less than 10 were killed)

Vegas 58 (so far)
Orlando 49
San Bernardino 14
Washington Navy Yard 12
Sandy Hook 27
Aurora CO 12
Fort Hood 13
Binghamton 14
Virginia Tech 32

[MisterV]

Alan:

I am NOT an AP.

Please calm down; you are nearly hysterical, and that seems to be clouding your ability to think rationally.

You refuse to agree with my argument: fine.

Here's what the FBI just said:

"There was no evidence at this point to indicate that the mass shooting in Las Vegas this week was terrorism, a Federal Bureau of Investigation agent told a news conference on Wednesday."

link: http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/F...hooting-506746

The more that you and others fan the flames and shout "terrorism", the more difficult it will be for Las Vegas to get back to normal.

It may be that the evidence will show some terrorist connections, but it seems unlikely, and will take time to unfold.

The interests of both yourself and Las Vegas would be better served if you simply STFU and played some VP at Caesars.

[Alan Mendelson]

MisterV you are taking great pride in making sure this mass murderer is not labeled a terrorist and I find that difficult to understand.

Perhaps you'll address what kewlj wrote? I think nothing I say you'll agree with because you've been fighting me for years.

So, I yield to kewlj's argument.

[MisterV]

"Great pride?"

Not proud at all.

We do agree on one thing, however.

The murdering bastard was a piece of shit who should rot in hell (if in fact such a place exists) for the incredibly selfish, pointless act of criminality he engaged in.

[OneHitWonder]

The murdering bastard was a piece of shit who should rot in hell (if in fact such a place exists) for the incredibly selfish, pointless act of criminality he engaged in.

What, him worry?

No one is left behind, whether we pretent to exist apart from the universe. We are our weakest links. Reap what ye sow. Keep trying to outsmart the universe. Lol.

[OneHitWonder]

The interests of both yourself and Las Vegas would be better served if you simply STFU and played some VP at Caesars.

Looks like the Wiz's board was the final nail in casino gambling. A creep's creep for a poster boy.

[MisterV]

The Wiz in the news:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stephen...mbling-habits/