STRIP SHOOTING VERY BAD

[MisterV]

No one is left behind, whether we pretent to exist apart from the universe. We are our weakest links. Reap what ye sow. Keep trying to outsmart the universe. Lol.

"“It was as if that great rush of anger had washed me clean, emptied me of hope, and, gazing up at the dark sky spangled with its signs and stars, for the first time, the first, I laid my heart open to the benign indifference of the universe.
To feel it so like myself, indeed, so brotherly, made me realize that I'd been happy, and that I was happy still. For all to be accomplished, for me to feel less lonely, all that remained to hope was that on the day of my execution there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should greet me with howls of execration.”

--- Albert Camus, "The Stranger"

[OneHitWonder]

I get a kick out of how "they" all tell you it's something recreational or otherwise free. It wasn't smart even before modern terrorism to fly around all the time, buy/sell machine guns, over eat and drink, etc, and hang out in copious numbers out in the open. Much less, sit in some dark casino with the girlfriend. But it sure keeps the poor suckers who spend their whole lives working to produce more and more "happy" in their pre-engineered delusions. Some of them are even "well paid" slaves. "We will not succumb to terrorism, but will soldier on." Lol.

[kewlJ]

Terrorism and terrorist have the word "terror" in them for god sakes. Seems to me it is a no brainer that terrorism is about inflicting a secondary fear or panic almost as much as the initial damage and death toll. Unfortunately you create the most fear and panic by killing and injuring as many as possible.

More details will likely emerge that may or may not have this insane act fall into the political definition of terrorism. But this asshole clearly terrorized a city, a country and maybe the world. If this can happen here, it can happen anywhere. And this will necessitate changes. There are numerous outdoor music type festivals in this city throughout the year at several locations. I heart radio and life is beautiful are two of the bigger ones that immediately come to mind and each is held in outdoor venue, one at the same location and the other downtown, each in close proximity to casino highrises. As a matter of fact, Downtown has a first Friday event on the first Friday of each month, which is a music concern in that new outdoor music venue right behind the D, one of the bigger downtown highrises.

You may need to have police snipers positioned on top of highrises so as to quickly neutralize such an attack with minimal damage. And just that kind of extra security is one of the things that comes from this kind of attack, whatever label you put on it. The result is an attack on our freedom.

But really, let's not bicker about whether this was or wasn't terrorism in the sense that their was some political motive not yet disclosed. That seems a moot point to those dead, injured and grieving.

[OneHitWonder]

No one is left behind, whether we pretent to exist apart from the universe. We are our weakest links. Reap what ye sow. Keep trying to outsmart the universe. Lol.

"“It was as if that great rush of anger had washed me clean, emptied me of hope, and, gazing up at the dark sky spangled with its signs and stars, for the first time, the first, I laid my heart open to the benign indifference of the universe.
To feel it so like myself, indeed, so brotherly, made me realize that I'd been happy, and that I was happy still. For all to be accomplished, for me to feel less lonely, all that remained to hope was that on the day of my execution there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should greet me with howls of execration.”

--- Albert Camus, "The Stranger"

I guess that they call that catharsis. You can't achieve that from gambling.

[Biloxi Bill]

I just read an article that this psycho (or terrorist,so Alan wont cry) also targeted Fenway Park as a place for his mass murder

[regnis]

And Chicago for Lollapalooza recently

[redietz]

The Review Journal reported that the second window was smashed primarily to give an open firing lane to two tanks of stored jet fuel at the edge of the airport. The tanks took a couple of bullets, at least one of which penetrated, but jet fuel does not easily ignite, so nothing really happened.

Another baffling question then arises -- since anybody can google jet fuel and figure out that a couple of bullets are not going to ignite it, why did the shooter target the tanks of fuel? This guy was a pilot -- he knew the bullets wouldn't, by themselves, ignite the fuel.

[OneHitWonder]

Did they count the number of hairs on his butt? People need to get a life.

[MisterV]

OK, the dust is settling, time to mull this shit over.

Paddock seems to have been an AP.

Is there anything about the environment which an AP such as Paddock surrounded himself in which might arguably have lead him to going ballistic?

Such as lack of human contact; dealing with a machine as main interface / point of contact; wide swings in win/loss.

The guy seems to have been misanthropic: I don't know if that is typical of AP's.

Wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Paddock lurked at gambling boards, maybe he posted as well: we'll see.

[OneHitWonder]

Can't you guys see anything. The real shooter is an alien from planet Mork. All those other possible scenarios did occur, but in other timelines. If he had been on gambling boards, he would've realized he would be wasting his time with shooting a bunch of gambling fools.

[MisterV]

I've no idea how quickly LE seized control of the crime scene, but given the fact that the Las Vegas strip is reported to be infested with thieves / criminals, I wonder whether any of them took the opportunity to loot / steal from the dead and dying lying on the killing ground?

A horrible thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened.

[OneHitWonder]

Crime falls suddenly and sharply during spectacular news events. The crooks are glued to their televisions like the rest of us. I guess that vouyerism and schadenfreude trump personal gain.

[kewlJ]

OK, the dust is settling, time to mull this shit over.

Paddock seems to have been an AP.

Is there anything about the environment which an AP such as Paddock surrounded himself in which might arguably have lead him to going ballistic?

Such as lack of human contact; dealing with a machine as main interface / point of contact; wide swings in win/loss.

The guy seems to have been misanthropic: I don't know if that is typical of AP's.

Wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Paddock lurked at gambling boards, maybe he posted as well: we'll see.

Ok, first of all, just stop it MrV. This has nothing to do with the guy being an AP or not being an AP. The dude was a very sick dude. It doesn't matter if he was a real estate investor (which apparently he was), an AP, a recreational gambler, what sports team he was a fan of or what his favorite color was. None of that is to blame for his murdering 58 people and injuring hundreds more. That is just an extremely sick dude.

Secondly, I reject the label of AP for this person, based on what I have read. Advantage Player means the player is playing with an advantage and over the 'long run', will show a profit. I have seen no evidence of that. Anthony Curtis, Shackleford and Dancer have all talked about the guy playing a game with a return of 99.17%. That alone obviously is not a winning game. Are there perks like cashback, free play and shopping sprees that make it "profitable", meaning at the end of the day he has more cash on hand than he started?? Probably not. If you figure the comped suites, meals and fine wines, perhaps the guy is playing close to a break even game and getting free vacations/dining/beverages out of the deal. But unless he turns around and sells some of the "comps", he is not ending the day with more money in his pocket than he started with.....and that is what advantage play is really about.

I know a guy (sounds like the Danny Ocean line) who does play a so called break even game and makes a living doing so. He breaks even on his actual play, gets all sorts of comps, like shopping sprees, cruises, and tickets to top shows and sporting events. He then turns around and sells all those gifts (expensive jewelry), cruises, tickets, on ebay....and that is his profit margin. I think it has become more difficult in recent years as some of these gifts have become non-transferable.

But I don't think this Paddock asshole was doing any of that. He was a net loser, presumably a big loser who got some comps, which amounted to free vacations, but not more money in his pocket, which is the basis of advantage play.

In one article I read where he thought he had figured out an algorithm as to when the machines would pay off and grew increasingly annoyed when this didn't pan out. That is voodoo stuff. Degenerative gambler stuff...not AP thinking. Almost reminds me of a recently departed member here who claims to have made a fortune, playing -EV games......VOODOO!

[Ozzy]

OK, the dust is settling, time to mull this shit over.

Paddock seems to have been an AP.

Is there anything about the environment which an AP such as Paddock surrounded himself in which might arguably have lead him to going ballistic?

Such as lack of human contact; dealing with a machine as main interface / point of contact; wide swings in win/loss.

The guy seems to have been misanthropic: I don't know if that is typical of AP's.

Wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Paddock lurked at gambling boards, maybe he posted as well: we'll see.

Ok, first of all, just stop it MrV. This has nothing to do with the guy being an AP or not being an AP. The dude was a very sick dude. It doesn't matter if he was a real estate investor (which apparently he was), an AP, a recreational gambler, what sports team he was a fan of or what his favorite color was. None of that is to blame for his murdering 58 people and injuring hundreds more. That is just an extremely sick dude.

Secondly, I reject the label of AP for this person, based on what I have read. Advantage Player means the player is playing with an advantage and over the 'long run', will show a profit. I have seen no evidence of that. Anthony Curtis, Shackleford and Dancer have all talked about the guy playing a game with a return of 99.17%. That alone obviously is not a winning game. Are there perks like cashback, free play and shopping sprees that make it "profitable", meaning at the end of the day he has more cash on hand than he started?? Probably not. If you figure the comped suites, meals and fine wines, perhaps the guy is playing close to a break even game and getting free vacations/dining/beverages out of the deal. But unless he turns around and sells some of the "comps", he is not ending the day with more money in his pocket than he started with.....and that is what advantage play is really about.

I know a guy (sounds like the Danny Ocean line) who does play a so called break even game and makes a living doing so. He breaks even on his actual play, gets all sorts of comps, like shopping sprees, cruises, and tickets to top shows and sporting events. He then turns around and sells all those gifts (expensive jewelry), cruises, tickets, on ebay....and that is his profit margin. I think it has become more difficult in recent years as some of these gifts have become non-transferable.

But I don't think this Paddock asshole was doing any of that. He was a net loser, presumably a big loser who got some comps, which amounted to free vacations, but not more money in his pocket, which is the basis of advantage play.

In one article I read where he thought he had figured out an algorithm as to when the machines would pay off and grew increasingly annoyed when this didn't pan out. That is voodoo stuff. Degenerative gambler stuff...not AP thinking. Almost reminds me of a recently departed member here who claims to have made a fortune, playing -EV games......VOODOO!

I think this is your first post EVER, without smiley faces...good job

[AxelWolf]

OK, the dust is settling, time to mull this shit over.

Paddock seems to have been an AP.

Is there anything about the environment which an AP such as Paddock surrounded himself in which might arguably have lead him to going ballistic?

Such as lack of human contact; dealing with a machine as main interface / point of contact; wide swings in win/loss.

The guy seems to have been misanthropic: I don't know if that is typical of AP's.

Wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Paddock lurked at gambling boards, maybe he posted as well: we'll see.

Ok, first of all, just stop it MrV. This has nothing to do with the guy being an AP or not being an AP. The dude was a very sick dude. It doesn't matter if he was a real estate investor (which apparently he was), an AP, a recreational gambler, what sports team he was a fan of or what his favorite color was. None of that is to blame for his murdering 58 people and injuring hundreds more. That is just an extremely sick dude.

Secondly, I reject the label of AP for this person, based on what I have read. Advantage Player means the player is playing with an advantage and over the 'long run', will show a profit. I have seen no evidence of that. Anthony Curtis, Shackleford and Dancer have all talked about the guy playing a game with a return of 99.17%. That alone obviously is not a winning game. Are there perks like cashback, free play and shopping sprees that make it "profitable", meaning at the end of the day he has more cash on hand than he started?? Probably not. If you figure the comped suites, meals and fine wines, perhaps the guy is playing close to a break even game and getting free vacations/dining/beverages out of the deal. But unless he turns around and sells some of the "comps", he is not ending the day with more money in his pocket than he started with.....and that is what advantage play is really about.

I know a guy (sounds like the Danny Ocean line) who does play a so called break even game and makes a living doing so. He breaks even on his actual play, gets all sorts of comps, like shopping sprees, cruises, and tickets to top shows and sporting events. He then turns around and sells all those gifts (expensive jewelry), cruises, tickets, on ebay....and that is his profit margin. I think it has become more difficult in recent years as some of these gifts have become non-transferable.

But I don't think this Paddock asshole was doing any of that. He was a net loser, presumably a big loser who got some comps, which amounted to free vacations, but not more money in his pocket, which is the basis of advantage play.

In one article I read where he thought he had figured out an algorithm as to when the machines would pay off and grew increasingly annoyed when this didn't pan out. That is voodoo stuff. Degenerative gambler stuff...not AP thinking. Almost reminds me of a recently departed member here who claims to have made a fortune, playing -EV games......VOODOO!

I think this is your first post EVER, without smiley faces...good job

I got called a girl the other day for using a smiley face.

[MisterV]

Ok, first of all, just stop it MrV. This has nothing to do with the guy being an AP or not being an AP.

You misunderstood my point, and that was my fault for not being more articulate.

I was wondering whether the environment Paddock surrounded himself in all the time (alone, perched on a seat in front of a VP machine) might have helped to predispose / condition him to act as he did?

You know: surrounded by people, but isolated / alone for hours on end.

Betting large amounts and winning large amounts to the point it doesn't seem to matter: no joy.

Hearing laughter, hoots, shouts of joy while you methodically and stoically push buttons for hours on end.

Being fawned over day after day by hosts while knowing full well they could really give a shit about you.

But the kicker, the thing that might have nudged him over the edge into Crazy Town: watching everybody on the Strip day after day, night after night, laughing, partying, having a good time while you, an ostensibly successful person are depressed, disenchanted and desperate for meaning in your life.

[Alan Mendelson]

Isolated people are more likely to join cults, revolutions, gangs, terrorist groups as they try to have an identity. Isolated people are the most vulnerable.

If he was playing a 99.17% game at high limits I'm sure that with comps and promos he was yielding a return of 100% or greater. So yes I'd call him an AP too especially if he played perfect strategy.

So far I haven't seen anything in the media that said he was a bumbling, losing gambler. What I have read is that he bought his house in Mesquite with cash from gambling. Isn't that what APs do?

[AxelWolf]

Isolated people are more likely to join cults, revolutions, gangs, terrorist groups as they try to have an identity. Isolated people are the most vulnerable.

If he was playing a 99.17% game at high limits I'm sure that with comps and promos he was yielding a return of 100% or greater. So yes I'd call him an AP too especially if he played perfect strategy.

So far I haven't seen anything in the media that said he was a bumbling, losing gambler. What I have read is that he bought his house in Mesquite with cash from gambling. Isn't that what APs do?

I was unaware you could buy houses with comps. If the reports about his play are correct the guy was losing between $5,000 and $10,000+ per day to the drop on the machine. Thats a lot to make up for concidering what he was playing.

[kewlJ]

So far I haven't seen anything in the media that said he was a bumbling, losing gambler. What I have read is that he bought his house in Mesquite with cash from gambling. Isn't that what APs do?

That's not what I read. He and his brother were involved in multiple successful real estate deals, the biggest, an apartment complex in Texas, netted them over 4 million dollars in profit. In California, the Las Angles area I believe, there were another half dozen or so, smaller real estate deals netting profits of 6 figures or more. THAT is where the money came from that he 'retired' and bought the home in Mesquite.

One of the news outlets suggested that he made several million dollars in 2015, because he had several million dollars in paperwork for large payouts (presumably royal flushes although at that level it would be smaller hits as well). So having W-2G forms, CTR's, and other FinCen reports totaling a million, or several million dollars is NOT an indication of net earnings of any amount. He likely lost twice as much as those paperwork "wins". That reporting was just a case of that particular news outlet, not understanding how advantage play, or even just gambling works, in regards to the paperwork generated.

[kewlJ]

What I have read is that he bought his house in Mesquite with cash from gambling. Isn't that what APs do?

I am very surprised you are buying this load of crap Alan, being that you are, by your own admission a losing (recreational) gambler. You KNOW or should know how comps work. The casino gives you back a portion of what you are worth to them.

At the level that this person was playing, there is no flying under the radar that some of us lower limit machine players do. My understanding is that this guy was just below the "whale" level. I don't know what the nickname is for that level, but you can be sure that the casinos he played, know exactly what he is worth to them (losses) and they comp him a portion of those losses. He was not a winning player, with or without the value of comps added in.