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    In an effort to get this forum back to Las Vegas talk. Does the shooting in any way alter your plans to visit Las Vegas or how you approach the things you do in Las Vegas?

    We are talking about taking a trip to Vegas with my wife's in-laws towards the end of the year and the mother has expressed some concerns about safety in Las Vegas.

    Those that have visited since the shooting, did you notice any changes in security on the strip or hotels?

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    I live in LV. Only been to the locals type casinos off strip, since the shooting. I haven't noticed any kind of difference in security or anything like that.

    I did drive by the Mandalay Bay, Luxor, Tropicana, etc. the other day. It seemed like there were quite a few police cars in the area just parked. Not sure if it's always been like that (I don't go on the strip very often, especially not the southern part) or if that's new. It seemed new to me, though. Or perhaps it was just a coincidence (seems unlikely IMO) there were several police cars in the area....but who knows, it's possible they were there for something not related to the shooting or as an added security measure.


    My view is -- nothing concerning your safety has really changed in LV. I don't think you're any more nor less safe after the shooting than before. If you don't come to Vegas for fear of safety, or lack thereof, you may as well just hide in your house all day and night, because as soon as you step outside you could get hit by lightning.

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    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    If you don't come to Vegas for fear of safety, or lack thereof, you may as well just hide in your house all day and night, because as soon as you step outside you could get hit by lightning.
    Ha. I'm sure we could find something between Vegas and solitary confinement. (I could go back to "troll" the Wiz's scaredy cats, but that's tending toward the solitary end of things. Think that I'll pass.)

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    I think that the shooting caused some tourists to rethink their plans. After I saw the airline weekend fares go down, I am planning to go to Vegas this weekend.

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    Originally Posted by FABismonte View Post
    I think that the shooting caused some tourists to rethink their plans. After I saw the airline weekend fares go down, I am planning to go to Vegas this weekend.
    I don't think the shooting will alter our plans and we are not partiers or club people. Mainly shows and dinner people with a little gambling towards the end of the evening.

    The main concern would be copycat idiots that didn't realize what lax security the major hotels in Las Vegas have. No security cameras in the hallways, rent a cops for casino security. I saw a few days ago the Wynn is screening guests with metal detectors. What about the luggage?

    It may make us more aware of where we congregate.

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    Originally Posted by james40 View Post
    Originally Posted by FABismonte View Post
    I think that the shooting caused some tourists to rethink their plans. After I saw the airline weekend fares go down, I am planning to go to Vegas this weekend.
    I don't think the shooting will alter our plans and we are not partiers or club people. Mainly shows and dinner people with a little gambling towards the end of the evening.

    The main concern would be copycat idiots that didn't realize what lax security the major hotels in Las Vegas have. No security cameras in the hallways, rent a cops for casino security. I saw a few days ago the Wynn is screening guests with metal detectors. What about the luggage?

    It may make us more aware of where we congregate.
    I drove into Las Vegas on Tuesday after the shootings. It was very different to see road signage 20 miles out warning that the strip was closed between Russell and Tropicana, with no need to indicate why on the signage. Then as one approached the edge of the city, electronic billboards had various "Pray for Vegas" signs. Very sobering and very different.

    We drove on Trop and could see the windows in question at Mandalay Bay.

    Uniformed security was evident in the Westgate sports book, and throughout the Orleans in a way one does not usually see. In fact, I saw a gentleman in a uniform with a SWAT patch on my floor of the Orleans. I have no idea if he was actually SWAT or some guy hired for $10 an hour to wear a uniform with a patch.

    While driving on the various streets, I did see pedestrians waving and saluting, and in one case doing a quick bow, to police cars cruising by. I think workers at the Orleans were making more eye contact and were more engaging than usual.

    A couple of months after Oklahoma City, and before the clean-up (it took a long time), I drove into the city to see the site. I felt the same kind of strange tone to the place, but that's just my subjective reaction.

    Personally, since I feel the "lone wolf" stuff was jammed down our throats just four hours after the event, I wasn't going to attend any large outdoor public gatherings. But I rarely do, anyway, so that's no big adjustment on my part.

    Security is more evident. People are more attentive to others, for whatever reason -- caution, friendliness, paranoia, whatever. The signs for "Pray for Vegas" and "Vegas Strong" seem to me to be a predetermined response to an event such as this. It was likely going to happen sometime, just not expected to be on the scale or as horrific as what occurred.

    I would continue to avoid events such as New Year's, personally, but that's just me.

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    As long as you avoid events with large crowds, you are unlikely to be a victim, even if another mass shooting occurs.

    For example, I frequently am in Vegas for New Years, but I do not go outside with the crowd to watch the fireworks. I watch from my hotel room, where I'm not stuck in huge crowds and it's not 34 degrees outside.
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    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    As long as you avoid events with large crowds, you are unlikely to be a victim, even if another mass shooting occurs.

    For example, I frequently am in Vegas for New Years, but I do not go outside with the crowd to watch the fireworks. I watch from my hotel room, where I'm not stuck in huge crowds and it's not 34 degrees outside.
    We are generally the same, we are not big drinkers and would rather not be around a bunch of drunks. Also drunk driving is an issue, our favorite place to be on NYE is in our warm home with a glass of wine watching the action on the big screen.

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    The fact there is more awareness and more of a security presence is good to hear. Now if they would just get security cameras in all the hotel hallways I'd feel much better.

  10. #10
    The Las Vegas PR dept. is in damage control mode, having ramped out a "Vegas Strong" ad campaign.
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    I am sort of with RS. I live here, but I don't play the strip often. Only a couple strip properties are in my regular rotation, so I visit the strip once, maybe twice a month for a couple hours.

    There HAS to be some security changes coming. I know they are talking about different procedures at checking and stuff. Not sure how that would work or if anything will really be implemented. But there has to be changes as far as these outdoor music events. The venue across From Mandalay bay where the shooting took place isn't the only such venue in vegas that sits in the shadow of the highrise hotels. There is another similar venue on the North strip across from SLS (former Sahara casino) and a new similar but smaller venue downtown right behind the D hotel casinos.

    In addition the entire strip, with like hundreds of thousands of people walking it at any moment all sits in the shadow of one or another highrise hotels. Fremont street with the canopy is the only place that has some protection, everywhere else is vulnerable to an attack by someone in the highrise hotel. And unfortunately, often there are copycat's to this type of thing.

    I think there has to be police snipers positioned on roofs to take out a shooter quickly, so he can't just sit there picking off people for 10-12 minutes.

    I don't think I will be comfortable attending a music event at one of these outdoor venues with a highrise nearby and BTW the downtown event behind the D, occurs monthly, with a music event first Friday of every month. You won't catch me there any time soon.

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    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I think there has to be police snipers positioned on roofs to take out a shooter quickly, so he can't just sit there picking off people for 10-12 minutes
    Pretty easy really: 2 cops with scoped rifles at these events, one high, one low: publicize the fact that they're there.

    So much for a repeat.
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    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I think there has to be police snipers positioned on roofs to take out a shooter quickly, so he can't just sit there picking off people for 10-12 minutes
    Pretty easy really: 2 cops with scoped rifles at these events, one high, one low: publicize the fact that they're there.

    So much for a repeat.
    You guys. Even were that doable, who would pay for it? Not the casinos, that's for sure.

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    Originally Posted by OneHitWonder View Post
    You guys. Even were that doable, who would pay for it? Not the casinos, that's for sure.
    The most certainly do. When there is an outdoor event, the casino pays for police protection. At this harvest 91 festival (where the shooting took place), there was a large police presence. I drove right by there several hours before the shooting on my way from SouthPoint (where I watched the Eagles game) to Tropicana casino and there was a large police presence, 3 or 4 cops directing traffic, probably another half dozen police cars parked outside the gates and more on patrol inside. They are just going to have to expand that to include some sharp shooters on roofs.

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    Snipers? That just sounds strange. Which branch of law enforcement? We're not talking directing traffic, or foot patrol, anymore. And even if they happened to be positioned at the proper angle(s), from roof tops, which seems unlikely, also the shooter would, I think, then have the same defensive armament and other procedure to avoid being shot any time soon. In any event, such military presence would kill any public relations for the events. No one will show up where there are snipers on rooftops.

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    Of course they'd show up.

    Why wouldn't they"

    People throng the White House and there are armed guards, including snipers, all over the place, hidden.

    The key: broadcast the fact, but keep it unobtrusive.
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    How about TSA style luggage checks when checking into the hotel????

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    Police snipers for NYE would only have a clear shot if the bad guy is sitting in a window or on a rooftop. No police sniper is going to shoot into a crowd. This isn't Dirty Harry or a movie.

    Following 9-eleven the LA police parked patrol cars around the movie and TV studios as a show.

    Yes, Wynn has checked some luggage of arriving guests but I don't know if that will continue.

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    Alan,one sniper outside MB could have taken Paddock out.

    He's got to be a specialist: well-trained, probably ex-military expert marksman with a good weapon.

    But he's got to be on site to be effective: these things unfold rapidly.
    Last edited by MisterV; 10-11-2017 at 12:34 AM.
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    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    People throng the White House and there are armed guards, including snipers, all over the place, hidden.
    Yeah, and for how many blocks away? Out of curiosity, I Googled the inauguration. A hundred square blocks for the inauguration. To guard a bunch of politicians, and, in particular, the president. That's what it takes.

    We've come to expect and tolerate a military presence around the president. But not for daddy's little girl at a mass barbecue and dance on Friday night hosted by a couple of casino cops on roofs in a completely unsecured town. This is like trying to stop a truck attack on a busy street corner by employing barricades, but with guys with guns on roofs. A public threshold is crossed. And, what do you do when the next guy throws or launches a big bomb out the window instead? It's game over in 10 seconds.

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