Final thoughts (again)

[wizardofpuke]

I'm thrilled kewlj keeps feeling the need to explain why everyone else is wrong about him and he is right. He kept that up on wizzards and it resulted in the boot, and nobody gave a crap. Desperate forum search time ensued. In time, his pile of blackjack bs, his needy drama, his even more need for relevance, his constant requirement to unload his personal stories, and his primary need for pats on the back will drive everyone crazy here as well. Oh yes, and has he announced to everyone he's gay yet?

Yes, in time you'll get it all from him, including numerous times where he says he's done and keeps coming back. Oh dear, I see he's already done that several times. Feel free to hold your breath for the next one.

[blackhole]

Why didn't you call Rob and Alan out the way you call out KJ and mickey? If you're interested in helping the public good and exposing math fraud and all that, Rob and Alan would've been the place to start. But you did nada.

This was my posted feelings about Rob. I was convinced he was trashing AP's with first hand knowledge. ... https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ll=1#post50453 ... As far as Alan goes you certainly don't have to search very far to find my opinions and assumptions about him.

[wizardofpuke]

Why is everyone here trying to call people out, or in the case of redietz, wanting others to call people out? Is he not able to do his own work, or maybe he's attempting to shuffle the deck enough so that he doesn't get called out. I'm not aware of any claims he makes, but sure as a morning poop there's something he wants to lay claim to if he's hung around here for so long.

Where is the forum owner anyways? Does he ever make an appearance? Mike S. makes it a point to get involved just as much as he makes it a point to impose penalties on his own members. A power trip of some kind. Now with his wife troubles he seems even more grouchy.

[redietz]

Why didn't you call Rob and Alan out the way you call out KJ and mickey? If you're interested in helping the public good and exposing math fraud and all that, Rob and Alan would've been the place to start. But you did nada.

This was my posted feelings about Rob. I was convinced he was trashing AP's with first hand knowledge. ... https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ll=1#post50453 ... As far as Alan goes you certainly don't have to search very far to find my opinions and assumptions about him.

I was well aware of this post. I remembered that particular post -- 60 days ago. That's actually what I'm referring to as the problem. Up to that point, nada. That's what struck me -- that you were silent about Rob for ages when this is what you thought. It comes across as biased and picking on people not based on their degree of bullshit, but on their attitude towards APing.

[wizardofpuke]

redietz, what is your fascination with Rob when there are so many other claims around here that don't make sense? I'm familiar with Singer from his column and I was on wizzards when he was there. I get why aps dislike what he says and you seem to be not only echoing them, you want others to do as you do. That can only mean you don't trust your feelings about him.

If anyone's interested there's a $10 progressive slot bank at Bellagio that's over $72000. Not video poker, slots.

[MisterV]

If anyone's interested there's a $10 progressive slot bank at Bellagio that's over $72000. Not video poker, slots.

What games, what denomination, and why is a $72K progressive noteworthy?

I play slots: curious.

[wizardofpuke]

I play it a few times a year. Three credits per spin, double diamond and other similar games, and I believe it resets at $20k. $10 denomination.

[redietz]

redietz, what is your fascination with Rob when there are so many other claims around here that don't make sense? I'm familiar with Singer from his column and I was on wizzards when he was there. I get why aps dislike what he says and you seem to be not only echoing them, you want others to do as you do. That can only mean you don't trust your feelings about him.

If anyone's interested there's a $10 progressive slot bank at Bellagio that's over $72000. Not video poker, slots.

The short version of my original interest in Rob goes something like this. Before there was an X-Files show, back when Uri Geller was going on national television to display his "psychic powers" and TV evangelists were claiming to know what was wrong with audience members, I was researching and debunking the paranormal. Much of Uri Geller's public clout came from his convincing a few media people and physicists he could do what he claimed. Rob, essentially, is claiming paranormal abilities. He says he has circumvented math with his Rube Goldberg "systems." Alan made videos of Rob, giving him credence in some eyes. So I found the relationship between Alan and Rob classic. The high-profile media person bought into a claim with no evidence that would hold up in a lab or in court or in a math class, and publicized it without hard critique. So I sat and watched here for a couple of years because it's a textbook, classic example of a paranormal claimant/media person relationship that was so textbook you couldn't make it up.

Eventually, Rob's claims got so out of hand (e.g."the world's greatest video poker player") that I was obligated to speak up. He had 5000 posts, no math, no stats, no clear explanation of his "systems," which were too complex to ever explain (of course).

How in God's name does it mean "I must not trust my feelings about him?" I've been familiar with Rob since 1990 or thereabouts. I have stated my thoughts regarding Rob clearly many times. He does people a service when he talks about the traps of AP play, and addiction, and not tipping (LOL -- my personal favorite). And he knows a good amount about Las Vegas 1985-2005. But his self-presentation gambling-wise is that of a quack.

[mickeycrimm]

redietz, what is your fascination with Rob when there are so many other claims around here that don't make sense? I'm familiar with Singer from his column and I was on wizzards when he was there. I get why aps dislike what he says and you seem to be not only echoing them, you want others to do as you do. That can only mean you don't trust your feelings about him.

If anyone's interested there's a $10 progressive slot bank at Bellagio that's over $72000. Not video poker, slots.

What's the cycle? What's the cost?

[mickeycrimm]

KJ you are taking the coward's way out.

You should stay here and battle it out with the "trolls."

Keep making the points you want to make, say what you want to say.

Otherwise, they "win."

Whatever.

Mrv (sorry, my keyboard is dying and will not allow me to make cap v's or f's or g's).

I did not begin participating on blackjack/gambling/AP related forums to battle trolls. I do not find that enjoyable. That is your thing and I don't mean that as an attack. You seem to enjoy that. That's fine, but that is not me. I joined these sites (early on) because it was beneficial for me and my blackjack career. I basically got my education from members of the first blackjack site I was on blackjackinfo, from other members sharing their knowledge and experiences. The kind of things not talked about in all the books. I can honestly say that everything I know and everything I do involving my approach was learned from members of that site.

Later in my career, as I went to other sites, including wov, it became less about learning and that's not to say I know it all about BJ, I still pick up useful tidbits here and there. But I discovered that while I am particularly interested in blackjack, AP and Las vegas (small v), I enjoy discussions on other topics as well. But not just trolling and fighting. What I have been reduced to at GF and here is not the participation I want to be part of and I just won't do it anymore. And in all honesty, I am just not strong enough to ignore numerous trolls, like RS is doing and it would have to be half the active members here. I am not strong enough, to not respond when someone attacks me with blatant lies. I am just not going to have that be what I spend my time doing. You can and sincerely...I wish you enjoyment. It is not who I am.

I'm thinking about quitting the site to and leaving it to the trolls. Why should I keep putting up legimate strategies just to have them trashed by ignorant, dumass, know-nothing about it, trolltards.

Wop, bitchstinkhole, coachsmelly, the Confederacy of Dunes.

[tableplay]

Speaking of progressives, I saw a wonderful pick off play by a pro VP team at the Reno Atlantis on the most recently passed Saturday evening. A $1 (5 coin) DDB progressive was over $8K ($4k reset) for an NRF. There were 10 linked machines (7 in the high limit room and 3 outside on the opposite side of the wall of the high limit room). The pro team had at least 7 seats by my estimation and had gotten the NRF around 10PM that evening. Not bad for 5 hours work.

[blackhole]

I'm thinking about quitting the site to and leaving it to the trolls. Why should I keep putting up legimate strategies just to have them trashed by ignorant, dumass, know-nothing about it, trolltards.

Wop, bitchstinkhole, coachsmelly, the Confederacy of Dunes.

I love how guys like RS, Redeitz, Kewlj, and others tell everyone how they just block the anti AP, AP haters, trolls, and whatever else they call us. (I prefer to be called the “put-up or shut-up group”.)

They don’t block anyone. They read every post we print, and use the Block Bullshit Story to avoid when their called out on anything. Then they cherry pick when to pop in and make a post and vanish again like the bullshit cowards they are as if they have no idea about the responses that challenged them.

You know you got to the bullshit alleged unproven AP’s when they start with the threats how they’re going to stop posting interesting stuff. I’m still looking for that interesting stuff that wouldn’t be considered blowing smoke up your ass unproven bullshit. Now they claim they will block anyone that challenges them, followed with the threats of quitting the site if Dan doesn’t come to their rescue.

Mickey, this doesn’t include you. Your 2-bit AP’ing is totally believable.

Redietz, why are we having back and forth, didn’t you block me.

[blackhole]

Speaking of progressives, I saw a wonderful pick off play by a pro VP team at the Reno Atlantis on the most recently passed Saturday evening. A $1 (5 coin) DDB progressive was over $8K ($4k reset) for an NRF. There were 10 linked machines (7 in the high limit room and 3 outside on the opposite side of the wall of the high limit room). The pro team had at least 7 seats by my estimation and had gotten the NRF around 10PM that evening. Not bad for 5 hours work.

7 professional video poker guys pounding out 5 hours of video poker. How many hands at $5.00 dollars a hand could 7 pros knock out per hour? How much did they put in? What was actually profit after they finally hit? What did each player make after the chop? What was the tax liability?

This is what I mean. Without the actual facts, it sounds like a 2-bit win if any.

[redietz]

I'm thinking about quitting the site to and leaving it to the trolls. Why should I keep putting up legimate strategies just to have them trashed by ignorant, dumass, know-nothing about it, trolltards.

Wop, bitchstinkhole, coachsmelly, the Confederacy of Dunes.

I love how guys like RS, Redeitz, Kewlj, and others tell everyone how they just block the anti AP, AP haters, trolls, and whatever else they call us. (I prefer to be called the “put-up or shut-up group”.)

They don’t block anyone. They read every post we print, and use the Block Bullshit Story to avoid when their called out on anything. Then they cherry pick when to pop in and make a post and vanish again like the bullshit cowards they are as if they have no idea about the responses that challenged them.

You know you got to the bullshit alleged unproven AP’s when they start with the threats how they’re going to stop posting interesting stuff. I’m still looking for that interesting stuff that wouldn’t be considered blowing smoke up your ass unproven bullshit. Now they claim they will block anyone that challenges them, followed with the threats of quitting the site if Dan doesn’t come to their rescue.

Mickey, this doesn’t include you. Your 2-bit AP’ing is totally believable.

Redietz, why are we having back and forth, didn’t you block me.

Blackhole, you're confusing me with someone else (see, I didn't even make a comment about memory loss or anything like that).

I've never blocked you. I've never blocked anyone. I've never said I would block anyone. I have never said I wanted to block anyone. If coach belly has some time on his hands, he could probably verify that stuff for you.

Hell, I don't even know how to block anyone. Never bothered to look it up. I'm a big free speech advocate.

And I hope you aren't including me in the "unproven AP" line-up. I have email records of what I've done with clients going back more than 10 years. I have contest results going back 30 years. I have my "package" and all that. If I ain't proved, there ain't no provin'.

[jbjb]

Speaking of progressives, I saw a wonderful pick off play by a pro VP team at the Reno Atlantis on the most recently passed Saturday evening. A $1 (5 coin) DDB progressive was over $8K ($4k reset) for an NRF. There were 10 linked machines (7 in the high limit room and 3 outside on the opposite side of the wall of the high limit room). The pro team had at least 7 seats by my estimation and had gotten the NRF around 10PM that evening. Not bad for 5 hours work.

7 professional video poker guys pounding out 5 hours of video poker. How many hands at $5.00 dollars a hand could 7 pros knock out per hour? How much did they put in? What was actually profit after they finally hit? What did each player make after the chop? What was the tax liability?

This is what I mean. Without the actual facts, it sounds like a 2-bit win if any.

I agree with Blackhole here. Even with the $8000+ royal, they still could've easily lost in that 5 hours.

[blackhole]

I've never blocked you. I've never blocked anyone. I've never said I would block anyone. I have never said I wanted to block anyone.

Hell, I don't even know how to block anyone.

Your correct Redeitz, you never said or blocked me. My bad.

I guess it was just an expected assumption.

[blackhole]

Speaking of progressives, I saw a wonderful pick off play by a pro VP team at the Reno Atlantis on the most recently passed Saturday evening. A $1 (5 coin) DDB progressive was over $8K ($4k reset) for an NRF. There were 10 linked machines (7 in the high limit room and 3 outside on the opposite side of the wall of the high limit room). The pro team had at least 7 seats by my estimation and had gotten the NRF around 10PM that evening. Not bad for 5 hours work.

7 professional video poker guys pounding out 5 hours of video poker. How many hands at $5.00 dollars a hand could 7 pros knock out per hour? How much did they put in? What was actually profit after they finally hit? What did each player make after the chop? What was the tax liability?

This is what I mean. Without the actual facts, it sounds like a 2-bit win if any.

I agree with Blackhole here. Even with the $8000+ royal, they still could've easily lost in that 5 hours.

I think we forgot about the phantom bucks created by the math. I'm sure that should be explained soon.

[blackhole]

Mike S. makes it a point to get involved just as much as he makes it a point to impose penalties on his own members. A power trip of some kind. Now with his wife troubles he seems even more grouchy.

If I could take a stab at the wife troubles, (if they actually exist) my guess would be the wife is trying to save something for herself and the kids before meatball blows everything again. Imagine the damage he already did to his lottery win. I’m guessing eventually the tin cup comes out again or he just vanishes

[mickeycrimm]

I'm thinking about quitting the site to and leaving it to the trolls. Why should I keep putting up legimate strategies just to have them trashed by ignorant, dumass, know-nothing about it, trolltards.

Wop, bitchstinkhole, coachsmelly, the Confederacy of Dunes.

I love how guys like RS, Redeitz, Kewlj, and others tell everyone how they just block the anti AP, AP haters, trolls, and whatever else they call us. (I prefer to be called the “put-up or shut-up group”.)

They don’t block anyone. They read every post we print, and use the Block Bullshit Story to avoid when their called out on anything. Then they cherry pick when to pop in and make a post and vanish again like the bullshit cowards they are as if they have no idea about the responses that challenged them.

You know you got to the bullshit alleged unproven AP’s when they start with the threats how they’re going to stop posting interesting stuff. I’m still looking for that interesting stuff that wouldn’t be considered blowing smoke up your ass unproven bullshit. Now they claim they will block anyone that challenges them, followed with the threats of quitting the site if Dan doesn’t come to their rescue.

Mickey, this doesn’t include you. Your 2-bit AP’ing is totally believable.

Redietz, why are we having back and forth, didn’t you block me.

Stinkbitchhole, your demand is anyone that makes unsubstantiated claims should prove them or quit posting. You have made several unsubstantiated claims. When will you quit posting, ratpuke?

[blackhole]

Stinkbitchhole, your demand is anyone that makes unsubstantiated claims should prove them or quit posting. You have made several unsubstantiated claims. When will you quit posting, ratpuke?

I didn't say quit posting, I said stop bullshitting.

I can't prove anything you think I need to prove. I certainly will stop talking about my blessed life if that makes you feel better.