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    Ive had this talk with Druff a few times in the past. But I love road trips, especially on that I-15 Barstow to Las Vegas any time of the day. Love seeing the sunrise or set on that wide open road and getting to that final downhill slide to Primm. I also enjoy driving to Reno or West Wendover to Utah, any where. For me, the road trip is half the vacation.

    Anyways, I always hit the road armed, usually with a Sig Sauer 9mm pistol, a few extra magazines and solid LED flashlight. This gives me peace of mind having the essentials- road pistol, old school GPS, credit card, flashlight and cell phone. And staying at a hotel, yes, the pistol is in the ready as I dont know who could be knocking at my door. Its all part of a system for me.

    Anyone else road trip armed?
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    Add- When it comes to flashlights, I do NOT go cheap. I like the police style Streamlight rechargeable LED Stingers. They are heavy duty and will last you a lifetime. You can find them cheap on ebay and you can also add the TerraLux LED upgrade if you want. There are a number of other flashlights out there, but I highly recommend the Stinger.

    Also recommend a good folding tactical knife like Spyderco, Kershaw, Benchmade, 5-11, etc. I carry a 5-11 on me, but might get a Spyderco down the line. There are so many makes and models out there, you'll find what you like. You also might like a multi-tool, I recommend The Wingman from Leatherman.

    As for guns and knives, Nutnfancy on YouTube has some pretty good reviews as well. I highly recommend his channel.

    The Stinger-



    My current 5-11 knife-

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    Every night when I take my midnight constitutional I grab my Surefire E2D LED light and Maxam lock-blade.

    I don't keep any of my guns in the car, although I have a current CWP.

    Guess I'm that guy you've read about, the one who brings a knife to a gun fight.


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    What, Me Worry?

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    Side note- This thread was inspired by the Montana road trip pictures posted by Druff.

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    I don't know, guys. This seems almost like a silly debate. I have a friend who was a sniper and was in charge of a SORT team. My brother-in-law was a relatively high profile PI. The problem with carrying is the assumption it makes you safer. Unless you run into some big-time social situation like the Las Vegas massacre, it may not. The problem is that in the majority (some would say vast majority) of the situations where you are threatened by someone with a firearm, they have the drop on you. That's the reality. If you are carrying, that can lead to you making poor decisions regarding a course of action or, if they discover the firearm on you, the hostile being much more nervous than he/she would have been if you did not have a weapon. Plus, unless you're a real good shot, what's the advantage?

    Then there's the other question -- if this thread was inspired by mickey's road pictures, what are you really defending by carrying a firearm? Most people don't lug more than 10K around with them at any given time, so is it really worth pulling out a firearm to defend 10K?

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    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I don't know, guys. This seems almost like a silly debate. I have a friend who was a sniper and was in charge of a SORT team. My brother-in-law was a relatively high profile PI. The problem with carrying is the assumption it makes you safer. Unless you run into some big-time social situation like the Las Vegas massacre, it may not. The problem is that in the majority (some would say vast majority) of the situations where you are threatened by someone with a firearm, they have the drop on you. That's the reality. If you are carrying, that can lead to you making poor decisions regarding a course of action or, if they discover the firearm on you, the hostile being much more nervous than he/she would have been if you did not have a weapon. Plus, unless you're a real good shot, what's the advantage?
    Sorry bro, you post doesnt make much sense. But I am not down with being a victim, have training and will take the precautions to protect myself on the road or in person as needed.

    As for your brother in law, everyone seems to know someone and he isnt even a real LEO, so thats a no credibility statement there.

    Then there's the other question -- if this thread was inspired by mickey's road pictures, what are you really defending by carrying a firearm? Most people don't lug more than 10K around with them at any given time, so is it really worth pulling out a firearm to defend 10K?
    Money is not an issue here, its self defense. I am saying what I do on a routine road trip- What I bring and use for safety and survival. I dont get where youre coming from, your questions and statements are so odd and off topic.

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    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I don't know, guys. This seems almost like a silly debate. I have a friend who was a sniper and was in charge of a SORT team. My brother-in-law was a relatively high profile PI. The problem with carrying is the assumption it makes you safer. Unless you run into some big-time social situation like the Las Vegas massacre, it may not. The problem is that in the majority (some would say vast majority) of the situations where you are threatened by someone with a firearm, they have the drop on you. That's the reality. If you are carrying, that can lead to you making poor decisions regarding a course of action or, if they discover the firearm on you, the hostile being much more nervous than he/she would have been if you did not have a weapon. Plus, unless you're a real good shot, what's the advantage?

    Then there's the other question -- if this thread was inspired by mickey's road pictures, what are you really defending by carrying a firearm? Most people don't lug more than 10K around with them at any given time, so is it really worth pulling out a firearm to defend 10K?
    redietz- I need to add that I think youre confusing "carrying concealed weapon" with having a firearm for protection in your car. They are two very distinct arenas in personal protection.

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    Human life is cheap, at least when it's "in season," and armed robbers are always in season.
    What, Me Worry?

  9. #9
    I drive 225 miles to reno each way to reno 50 weekends a year for the last 19 years. Some of the drive(about 60 miles),,,,in through 2 lane widy roads though the sierras. I have thought about "what if" scenarios where i get a blowout or mechanical troubles at night on 1-80 in that area. And I figured, that if someone had a gun and wanted to rob me...they would already have the advantage as the surprise factor would be their advantage...rendering my gun useless. And then what if someone stopped to help me, got a glimpse of the gun and ran away.....leaving open to getting hit by a large truck as me and my wife stay in my car to keep warm in frigid temps...in an area where cell phone connections are sparse. There are gun shows at the reno convention center a couple times a year and I thought about it...but so far after approx 1000 trips I havent had the need.
    I am not saying that I will never run into a situation where I wish I had a gun,,,,,I guess I like playing the odds....

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    I drive 225 miles to reno each way to reno 50 weekends a year for the last 19 years. Some of the drive(about 60 miles),,,,in through 2 lane widy roads though the sierras. I have thought about "what if" scenarios where i get a blowout or mechanical troubles at night on 1-80 in that area. And I figured, that if someone had a gun and wanted to rob me...they would already have the advantage as the surprise factor would be their advantage...rendering my gun useless. And then what if someone stopped to help me, got a glimpse of the gun and ran away.....leaving open to getting hit by a large truck as me and my wife stay in my car to keep warm in frigid temps...in an area where cell phone connections are sparse. There are gun shows at the reno convention center a couple times a year and I thought about it...but so far after approx 1000 trips I havent had the need.
    I am not saying that I will never run into a situation where I wish I had a gun,,,,,I guess I like playing the odds....
    Larry- I gotta tell you dude, you are a total target by driving blind and unarmed. You are playing out a scenario in your head based on only what you've seen on TV in the movies. You are basing your real life safety on fantasy. Once you become a firearm owner, you GET REAL TRAINING. There are so many good classes and instructors out there.

    I suggest looking up Front Site in Nye County, Nevada, just outside of Las Vegas. They have some good basic, advance and survival programs. There is also a place in Arizona. There are classes all over and you can also order real life training DVDs, books as well. Please really look at getting a firearm for protection and then some real training and survival education. It will really make a world of difference.

    If you want some online reference material, look on YouTube for "Tactical Response" and Student of the Gun online.

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    I do not carry a gun and would not. I have been shot at. Now with that said I have a question for you carriers:

    Would you fire first?

    The problem I see with most gun owners is that they want a gun for protection. But unless you are willing to shoot first you are likely to get yourself killed when the bad guy sees your gun. So are you willing to shoot first?

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I do not carry a gun and would not. I have been shot at. Now with that said I have a question for you carriers:

    Would you fire first?

    The problem I see with most gun owners is that they want a gun for protection. But unless you are willing to shoot first you are likely to get yourself killed when the bad guy sees your gun. So are you willing to shoot first?
    There is no hard and fast rule. You shoot to protect yourself and shoot to stop the threat. There are no rules in street fighting and no standards or absolute ways it has to be.

    Again, you really, REALLY need training to go with your firearm. You just dont buy a gun and then rely on what you've seen in the movies and TV. Its like you poker guys just picking up a deck of cards and then your supposed to be a poker expert...NO, it takes training, education and experience. Please abandon your ideas of how this works and really get some survival education and training.

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    I have thought about this though...it may not happen in my lifetime(just over 60) ..but you see movies where there is some disaster that causes a city to evacuate....and in the movies the worst you see is long lines of cars out of town....gridlock.

    But what about the bad guys.....knowing that almost every car is fillled with valuables...jewelry, coin collections,collectables . So what if "bad guys" on motorcycles, singly or acting in unison robbed the cars that are in gridlock. Again, I doubt a gun would help me....might get me killed if I shoot someone and his gang member riddles my car with bullets.

    If a dude is shooting up a movie theater I am in.....my gun would be useless..and probably get me killed if i stood up and tried to shoot.

    Very rarely i hear about an immigrant person sorking at a 7-11 who gets a gun pulled on him/her and calls the bluff, pulls his own gun and shoots or scares away the robber. But usually the robber has the advantage....before someoe could reach for a gun. I would rather have a silent alarm buttin in the case,,,,,accessible to my foot and hand,

  14. #14
    My answers are in bold.

    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    I have thought about this though...it may not happen in my lifetime(just over 60) ..but you see movies where there is some disaster that causes a city to evacuate....and in the movies the worst you see is long lines of cars out of town....gridlock.
    There is a way to "bug out" and survive. You need to preplan and know how to survive. Its not just getting a gun and shooting people. Start looking up "bugging out" and "urban survival". There are so many answers to your questions.
    But what about the bad guys.....knowing that almost every car is fillled with valuables...jewelry, coin collections,collectables . So what if "bad guys" on motorcycles, singly or acting in unison robbed the cars that are in gridlock. Again, I doubt a gun would help me....might get me killed if I shoot someone and his gang member riddles my car with bullets.
    I am highly sure a gun WILL help you. You need to learn how to properly bug out and prepare. Some of you guys worry me as youre so willing to be a victim and let the bad guys get you and your valuables. LEARN HOW TO DEFEND YOURSELF and SURVIVE. There is training and education involved. There are books, video and classes on this. Please do some research.

    If a dude is shooting up a movie theater I am in.....my gun would be useless..and probably get me killed if i stood up and tried to shoot.
    WRING. If some guy shoots up a movie theater, why be a sitting duck. LEARN TACTICS AND HOW TO SURVIVE. Geez guys, stop leaning towards being a victim, learn to FIGHT and defend yourselves. a gun WOULD be useful and be your main survival took. Atleast have a fighting chance instead of being a sitting duck.

    Very rarely i hear about an immigrant person sorking at a 7-11 who gets a gun pulled on him/her and calls the bluff, pulls his own gun and shoots or scares away the robber. But usually the robber has the advantage....before someoe could reach for a gun. I would rather have a silent alarm buttin in the case,,,,,accessible to my foot and hand
    Again, there is survival training for this. There are so many videos showing the victim pulling a firearm and fighting back. Stop wanting to be a victim and start thinking about survival and defending yourself.

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    people willing to shoot first andask questions later wold not be someone who has worked all their life, accumulated wealth, and then risk having it all taken away if you are wrong.

    If i didnt have a pot to piss in,,,,,yeah i would shoot first in almost all cases

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    people willing to shoot first andask questions later wold not be someone who has worked all their life, accumulated wealth, and then risk having it all taken away if you are wrong.

    If i didnt have a pot to piss in,,,,,yeah i would shoot first in almost all cases
    Guys- Again and again, there needs to be training, education and skills. Its not just "shoot first". You really need to take some classes and get some education. FORGET EVERYTHING YOUVE SEEN IN THE MOVIES AND TV, THAT IS NOT REAL LIFE.

  17. #17
    Larry the problem is if the bad guy has a gun and you have a gun but you won't shoot first... then you're dead.

    If you won't shoot first don't get caught having a gun.

  18. #18
    Turn sideways to the shooter to make a smaller target. Deliver a tight pattern with a lot of lead, Wild Bill Hickock style. Countless people have died with their last thought being "If I had only had a gun."

    PS: I keep plenty of gear in the trunk of my car in case of a breakdown in frigid weather.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  19. #19
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Turn sideways to the shooter to make a smaller target. Deliver a tight pattern with a lot of lead, Wild Bill Hickock style. Countless people have died with their last thought being "If I had only had a gun."
    Bad advice. Get REAL FIREARMS TRAINING, EDUCATION and SKILLS from a real facility.

  20. #20
    thusands of people may have thought that....but very few would have lived anyway

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