Isn't a simple win/loss tally enough for a DI?
If a DI shows a profit in a negative expectation game I would think that's proof enough.
Do you know anyone else with a profit at craps? I don't have a profit.
Isn't a simple win/loss tally enough for a DI?
If a DI shows a profit in a negative expectation game I would think that's proof enough.
Do you know anyone else with a profit at craps? I don't have a profit.
I was never a true DI. But I always tried.
If you go back to my original reports on RGC about being thrown out of those casinos I said it was because I looked like I was "controlling" the dice but in reality I was lucky.
No, I'm not a DI. But I try. If I'm going to play I'm going to try to win.
Nor do I, but some do.
Take Archie Karas for instance.
At one point he was up almost forty million on Binions, but of course the degenerate P.O.S. kept gambling til he'd pissed it all away.
Had he quit up forty million, would that satisfy your criteria and prove he was a DI?
What, Me Worry?
Wins/losses don't prove you have an edge on a game. Just ask the guy that hit the MegaBuck slot jackpot TWICE!! https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2005/...me-for-man-92/
Translation: Baloney factory. Or the size of Alan's dick. (Is that Red glowing over it?)
But, hey, the guy who rolls the dice does, without a doubt, completely cause each and every result. Like the "seed(s)" of a random number generator lead to another number. Just as no two events can be completely independent. And a broken clock is right twice a day.
Last edited by OneHitWonder; 11-23-2017 at 10:28 AM.
I can't tell you what my edge was because I honestly never attempted to determine same. Once I felt that I was accomplished enough to put it to use, it was simply a matter of knowing that if I rolled the dice, we won. I understand that those of you that worship the math won't understand that the math didn't matter to me. I simply knew I could out roll the math. Putting a number on that was probably beyond me but also unnecessary.
RS asked if we had a team. The answer is no. I had one person that would stand in the corner to which I threw the dice so as to always have a clean landing area. On some tables where the pass line is too close to the wall, it was easy to hit the odds on the pass line right where I was throwing. So we always had him take that spot. He can't throw the dice for shit tho I tried to work with him for years.
I went back to work about 7 years ago after I ran out of places to throw the dice. I have played dice only casually a few times since and make no attempt at dice control as I have definitely lost my stroke. I don't have the time to practice again and the tables have too much bounce these days anyway. See Alan's thread on Caesars tables.
It might be appropriate to add that I have been involved with gambling my entire life. My father was a well known shark and taught me on the kitchen table. I dealt underground craps games--stickman--all through college and also was the handicapper for a well known football tip sheet. So I know the math and know the numbers. Yet, I felt no need to calculate any edge I might have in craps. Just let the results do the talking.
"Let the results do the talking." ~Regnis
Brilliant and spot on.
Quite a story, regnis, quite a story.
It's got a good beat, you can dance to it: I give it an 85.
What, Me Worry?
What?
You "ran out of places to throw the dice?"
What exactly does that mean?
It doesn't sound like you were barred from many joints, so you should have kept plying your craft: I know I would have.
Lots and lots of casinos in America, regnis, given the boom in casino construction.
If in fact I'd been earning as good an income as you claim, I'd have kept pouring on the coal, taking my gig on a quasi-permanent road trip if necessary.
Sorry, got to call bullshit.
What, Me Worry?
Like I said before, I'm still yet to read of a DI who appears to know what he's doing and legitimate. Don't know or can't estimate your edge? Wow.
What is the betting strategy behind DI? Is it more elaborate than betting pass with free odds?
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
I can take a stab at this.
There are DIs who play pass and DIs who play don't pass. There are DIs who target certain numbers and DIs who don't.
Note: I know of few who actually are successful.
Also I've never heard of knowing your edge as part of learning dice influencing. Who thought this requirement up? The WOV forum perhaps?
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