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  1. #41
    Isn't a simple win/loss tally enough for a DI?

    If a DI shows a profit in a negative expectation game I would think that's proof enough.

    Do you know anyone else with a profit at craps? I don't have a profit.

  2. #42
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    You were into this voodoo DI shit before your medical procediure; I assume your hands didn't shake back then, so I assume therefore that you were once / then a "true DI?"

    That is, when your hands didn't shake massive winnings you did make, right?
    I was never a true DI. But I always tried.

    If you go back to my original reports on RGC about being thrown out of those casinos I said it was because I looked like I was "controlling" the dice but in reality I was lucky.

    No, I'm not a DI. But I try. If I'm going to play I'm going to try to win.

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Isn't a simple win/loss tally enough for a DI?

    If a DI shows a profit in a negative expectation game I would think that's proof enough.

    Do you know anyone else with a profit at craps? I don't have a profit.
    Nor do I, but some do.

    Take Archie Karas for instance.

    At one point he was up almost forty million on Binions, but of course the degenerate P.O.S. kept gambling til he'd pissed it all away.

    Had he quit up forty million, would that satisfy your criteria and prove he was a DI?
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  4. #44
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Isn't a simple win/loss tally enough for a DI?

    If a DI shows a profit in a negative expectation game I would think that's proof enough.

    Do you know anyone else with a profit at craps? I don't have a profit.
    You're starting to say stupid stuff again, Alan.

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Isn't a simple win/loss tally enough for a DI?

    If a DI shows a profit in a negative expectation game I would think that's proof enough.

    Do you know anyone else with a profit at craps? I don't have a profit.
    Wins/losses don't prove you have an edge on a game. Just ask the guy that hit the MegaBuck slot jackpot TWICE!! https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2005/...me-for-man-92/

  6. #46
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Isn't a simple win/loss tally enough for a DI?

    If a DI shows a profit in a negative expectation game I would think that's proof enough.

    Do you know anyone else with a profit at craps? I don't have a profit.
    Nor do I, but some do.

    Take Archie Karas for instance.

    At one point he was up almost forty million on Binions, but of course the degenerate P.O.S. kept gambling til he'd pissed it all away.

    Had he quit up forty million, would that satisfy your criteria and prove he was a DI?
    I don't know. Was he using a precision throw or a random throw? I never saw his throw.

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Isn't a simple win/loss tally enough for a DI?

    If a DI shows a profit in a negative expectation game I would think that's proof enough.

    Do you know anyone else with a profit at craps? I don't have a profit.
    Wins/losses don't prove you have an edge on a game. Just ask the guy that hit the MegaBuck slot jackpot TWICE!! https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2005/...me-for-man-92/
    I want to play craps with this guy. He might throw 19 yos in a row.

  8. #48
    Originally Posted by OneHitWonder View Post
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    Going back and forth with b.s. can be fun but you seem to actually believe your b.s. stories so it's a little weird.
    On a gambling board, I think it's called straight-up mental illness.

    On second thought, it's a good time to make my last gambling forum post, ever. Can't sink much lower than this.
    Translation: Baloney factory. Or the size of Alan's dick. (Is that Red glowing over it?)

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    But, hey, the guy who rolls the dice does, without a doubt, completely cause each and every result. Like the "seed(s)" of a random number generator lead to another number. Just as no two events can be completely independent. And a broken clock is right twice a day.
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  9. #49
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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    You're starting to say stupid stuff again, Alan.
    He's a reporter, reporting on The Way It Is.

    We should all just shut up and take notes.


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  11. #51
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by regnis View Post
    I usually try to stay out of these dice control arguments. As has been stated before, I was one and made a living doing so for 15 years or so.
    Was your profit from craps shooting your sole income during that period, or did you have a job as well?

    The term "made a living" implies it was your sole source of income, which I rather doubt.

    Just out of curiosity, approx. what was your best year vs. your worst, income-wise?

    Did you go to a seminar, buy a book: what?
    V--I had no other income other than dice and horses. This was by choice as I do not find my other form of employment to give me much pleasure, although I am pretty good at that as well. No-I will not disclose anything relating to amounts.

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by regnis View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Can I ask what you estimate your approximate edge at on average?
    Honestly I have no idea. I was playing a negative game and making bets that were not the best bets either. I primarily bet the 10 which, even buying it, is not a bet that "experts" would recommend. I don't bet pass or come as I don't want to cash every second time a number hits. So I give up that small edge and place or buy. I also pound the hard ways. So no--I really can't say what my edge was.
    WHY IS IT THAT A FUCKING "DI" CAN NEVER TELL ME WHAT THEIR APPROXIMATE EDGE IS? WTF IS THAT ALL ABOUT? Sorry, I'm not yelling at you. You don't know how many times I have asked that to a supposed DI, and yet, no one can ever come up with anything.

    When I was practicing long, long ago(before the big craze, books, TV, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY BEFORE THE SLOW-MO-VIDEO ). I was skeptical, but I gave it a try since we had a real table from a real casino where they still had the same tables. How can you get better than that? The people I was with at least knew what their edge supposedly was when they made a bet. You have always been respectful to me and most everyone, I would like to keep it that way, but I have a few questions.

    Highly skeptical you made a living via DI for 15 years. Please do elaberate.
    I can't tell you what my edge was because I honestly never attempted to determine same. Once I felt that I was accomplished enough to put it to use, it was simply a matter of knowing that if I rolled the dice, we won. I understand that those of you that worship the math won't understand that the math didn't matter to me. I simply knew I could out roll the math. Putting a number on that was probably beyond me but also unnecessary.

    RS asked if we had a team. The answer is no. I had one person that would stand in the corner to which I threw the dice so as to always have a clean landing area. On some tables where the pass line is too close to the wall, it was easy to hit the odds on the pass line right where I was throwing. So we always had him take that spot. He can't throw the dice for shit tho I tried to work with him for years.

    I went back to work about 7 years ago after I ran out of places to throw the dice. I have played dice only casually a few times since and make no attempt at dice control as I have definitely lost my stroke. I don't have the time to practice again and the tables have too much bounce these days anyway. See Alan's thread on Caesars tables.

  13. #53
    It might be appropriate to add that I have been involved with gambling my entire life. My father was a well known shark and taught me on the kitchen table. I dealt underground craps games--stickman--all through college and also was the handicapper for a well known football tip sheet. So I know the math and know the numbers. Yet, I felt no need to calculate any edge I might have in craps. Just let the results do the talking.

  14. #54
    "Let the results do the talking." ~Regnis

    Brilliant and spot on.

  15. #55
    Quite a story, regnis, quite a story.

    It's got a good beat, you can dance to it: I give it an 85.
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  16. #56
    Originally Posted by regnis View Post
    I went back to work about 7 years ago after I ran out of places to throw the dice.
    What?

    You "ran out of places to throw the dice?"

    What exactly does that mean?

    It doesn't sound like you were barred from many joints, so you should have kept plying your craft: I know I would have.

    Lots and lots of casinos in America, regnis, given the boom in casino construction.

    If in fact I'd been earning as good an income as you claim, I'd have kept pouring on the coal, taking my gig on a quasi-permanent road trip if necessary.

    Sorry, got to call bullshit.
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  17. #57
    Like I said before, I'm still yet to read of a DI who appears to know what he's doing and legitimate. Don't know or can't estimate your edge? Wow.

  18. #58
    What is the betting strategy behind DI? Is it more elaborate than betting pass with free odds?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  19. #59
    Originally Posted by OneHitWonder View Post
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    Going back and forth with b.s. can be fun but you seem to actually believe your b.s. stories so it's a little weird.
    On a gambling board, I think it's called straight-up mental illness.

    On second thought, it's a good time to make my last gambling forum post, ever. Can't sink much lower than this.
    Holidays are the premier times for mental illnesses. You guys are textbook.

  20. #60
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    What is the betting strategy behind DI? Is it more elaborate than betting pass with free odds?
    I can take a stab at this.

    There are DIs who play pass and DIs who play don't pass. There are DIs who target certain numbers and DIs who don't.

    Note: I know of few who actually are successful.

    Also I've never heard of knowing your edge as part of learning dice influencing. Who thought this requirement up? The WOV forum perhaps?

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