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Thread: Is Sports Betting AP Play?

  1. #1
    I don't have a dog in this fight, but in terms of the criticisms AP play gets here, it's actually a key topic. Since I just wrapped a college football season where I was pretty much in total control, it motivated me to stress, once again, that people do win. A small percentage can win lifetime, and a larger percentage have the ability to win lifetime if they just stick with what they do best and don't dabble in other sports simply because those other things are labeled as "sports" and people get addicted to action.

    The nose-in-the-air attitudes to AP play really can't be applied to sports betting, as sports betting isn't much different than stock trading or currency manipulation or investment counseling, and serious monies can be wagered. The wasting-of-life-hours in smoke-filled environments similarly doesn't really apply. The sheer disbelief that people win isn't logical or credible because, when the smoke clears, there's an actual against-the-spread record in black and white. So the disdain and disbelief some people (and posters here) have for AP play simply whiff when aimed at sports betting, if one considers sports betting AP play.

    I never label myself as an AP because I personally define AP play as something that takes place exclusively in a casino, and that doesn't apply to sports betting. But other folks may have different definitions of what is an AP player.

    So, is sports betting an AP play? If not, why not?

  2. #2
    It's just a cult-following term contrasted to ploppie or square, which I would rather call system player (SP). One way to over sell something is to vilify or make voodoo of the competition. AP's are always telling the SP's that their brand of stupid is worse than stupid. It gives both sorts of players a new purpose in life where none previously existed. Arguments like this are mostly moot because they are like arguing about stuff like when gambling becomes gambling. If I drive a few miles per hour faster to get the ice cream home before it begins to melt, it becomes, at some point, gambling. Perhaps, only if I drive off the road. Who knows.

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by OneHitWonder View Post
    It's just a cult-following term contrasted to ploppie or square, which I would rather call system player (SP). One way to over sell something is to vilify or make voodoo of the competition. AP's are always telling the SP's that their brand of stupid is worse than stupid. It gives both sorts of players a new purpose in life where none previously existed. Arguments like this are mostly moot because they are like arguing about stuff like when gambling becomes gambling. If I drive a few miles per hour faster to get the ice cream home before it begins to melt, it becomes, at some point, gambling. Perhaps, only if I drive off the road. Who knows.
    I have never used the words "ploppie" or "square," as they are condescending jargon terms that do no good. I've always said I hated that kind of insider "wink-wink" jargon. "Square" somehow became part of sports gambling lingo about 15 years ago when Fezzik and some other transfers from Wall Street entered the sports gambling world and imported jargon. Academics don't, in conversation or debate, use that kind of language. It serves no purpose other than to suggest one is or isn't Illuminati. If you know what you are doing, and are generally recognized for knowing what you are doing, you don't need to beat people over the head that you're Illuminati and they are not.

    Having said that, I disagree with your notion of calling recreational players "systems players." That suggests there is some logic or proven math behind what they are doing. I'd stick with "recreational players." Systems that provide no advantage are non-systems.
    Last edited by redietz; 11-28-2017 at 09:17 AM.

  4. #4
    What "advantage" do you employ / exploit when betting sports?
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  5. #5
    I'll speak for redietz. Knowledge and experience!!! He can probably expound on that.

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    What "advantage" do you employ / exploit when betting sports?
    That's a key question. The answer, I suppose, is that I know the likely behaviors of the organisms involved in varying contexts better than the average sports bettor knows the behaviors of the organisms involved.

    In addition, I shop 'til I drop and check numbers 24/7. And I anticipate line moves correctly more than 75% of the time. So I have a handle on what the money will do to what line better than most.

  7. #7
    Of course sports betting is AP. Well, assuming you're playing with an advantage, then it's AP. I don't see why it wouldn't be AP.

  8. #8
    RS-does being smarter make one an AP? Does redietz's knowledge and experience make him an AP? Or is he just a good sports bettor because of his knowledge, experience, and hard work.

    How do you quantify what his advantage is when he's just smarter and works harder at it and has done it for many years?

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    What "advantage" do you employ / exploit when betting sports?
    This is the question that would define your advantage. If you have an edge over common knowledge or if you had better odds or some financial benefit then you would be an AP at sports betting.

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by regnis View Post
    RS-does being smarter make one an AP? Does redietz's knowledge and experience make him an AP? Or is he just a good sports bettor because of his knowledge, experience, and hard work.

    How do you quantify what his advantage is when he's just smarter and works harder at it and has done it for many years?
    Playing with an advantage makes someone an AP. Being smart, having knowledge, experience, or a good work ethic doesn't make someone an AP...although having those traits would definitely help and many APs likely have those traits.

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    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    Originally Posted by regnis View Post
    RS-does being smarter make one an AP? Does redietz's knowledge and experience make him an AP? Or is he just a good sports bettor because of his knowledge, experience, and hard work.

    How do you quantify what his advantage is when he's just smarter and works harder at it and has done it for many years?
    Playing with an advantage makes someone an AP. Being smart, having knowledge, experience, or a good work ethic doesn't make someone an AP...although having those traits would definitely help and many APs likely have those traits.
    Hence only playing video poker machines with a better pay table by itself does not make you an AP as that info is available to everyone.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Hence only playing video poker machines with a better pay table by itself does not make you an AP as that info is available to everyone.
    I'm not sure what you're trying to get at, here. If the "better paytable game" is something that's +EV, and the player is playing properly, then he has an advantage, thus an AP. Also, I and other APs don't only play the best pay table machines in a casino. Sometimes we actually look for machines that aren't the better or best returns.

    Although, I should stipulate -- IMO, just playing with an advantage doesn't always make someone an AP. For instance, if it's something someone stumbled upon but normally does not do AP stuff or looks for AP stuff, then I wouldn't consider that person an AP. Like if a ploppy was playing his 7/5 JOB and then realized he was getting 10% cash back or something like that. Or if a random BJ player sat down in the middle of the shoe when it was at a +EV count. That sorta thing.

  13. #13
    Please break this down for me:

    "Playing with an advantage makes someone an AP. Being smart, having knowledge, experience, or a good work ethic doesn't make someone an AP...although having those traits would definitely help and many APs likely have those traits."

  14. #14
    Alan, he's saying being an AP is MORE than simply "being smart, having knowledge, experience, or a good work ethic."

    As for exactly what the missing ingredient is (i.e., the edge): that is the question.
    Last edited by MisterV; 11-28-2017 at 04:13 PM.
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  15. #15
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    alan, he's saying being an AP is MORE than simply "being smart, having knowledge, experience, or a good work ethic."
    Well what's left? That's my point.

    Isn't it knowledge that allows you to take advantage of better odds, better pay tables, multiplier days, cash back deals and everything else?

    What else do you need? An ability to cheat, xray vision, a cashier at the cage who overpays you?

  16. #16
    Normally, I would say necessary but not sufficient. In this case, however, more is less. Ha. Where all those "special powers" land you on the gambling forums with other persons equally unable to properly express themselves. Clarity over precision, but precision is nice, too.


    P.S. Welcome back, V.
    Last edited by OneHitWonder; 11-28-2017 at 07:11 PM.

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    alan, he's saying being an AP is MORE than simply "being smart, having knowledge, experience, or a good work ethic."
    Well what's left? That's my point.

    Isn't it knowledge that allows you to take advantage of better odds, better pay tables, multiplier days, cash back deals and everything else?

    What else do you need? An ability to cheat, xray vision, a cashier at the cage who overpays you?
    I've met a few people who have all the knowledge of how to AP, what places are good, and have the ability to take advantage of all that stuff. But they don't actively do it. Some treat it more like an academic exercise and just enjoy learning and knowing about it. Some are busy and have real life stuff that's more important to them. Some just don't have money they can risk.

    I might know everything in the world about baseball and be skilled & athletic enough to play, but that doesn't make me a baseball player, now does it?

  18. #18
    A better example would be my dad. He gambles recreationally and isn't an AP. I found a decent promotion one time and we both played it. So he played a game with an advantage, but, he isn't an AP.

  19. #19
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Isn't it knowledge that allows you to take advantage of better odds, better pay tables, multiplier days, cash back deals and everything else?
    You forgot freeplay. LOL
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    A better example would be my dad. He gambles recreationally and isn't an AP. I found a decent promotion one time and we both played it. So he played a game with an advantage, but, he isn't an AP.
    If he made the AP play why isn't he an AP? Does he need the secret handshake and decoder ring?

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