Is Sports Betting AP Play?

[OneHitWonder]

I hate to question the logic of our dear OneHit, but it has occurred to me that if casinos spent "billions" on research so their games are impregnable to APs, then at some point either the games were beatable or the casinos wasted one helluva lot of money. LOL. So now, after spending unspecified "billions," OneHit's argument is that the casinos have solved the issue, and all current APs are fibbing. That's a tad imprecise. I'd like to know, so I sleep better, was the problem solved after the first half billion in research, or the second, or the third, or is it possibly an ongoing investment casinos make to assure that nobody's walking off with their shekels?

If you're going to criticize gambling, it might be helpful to have some blessed idea what you're talking about.

Okay, so you don't want to productively argue the issues you have. Suffice it to say that if gambling is everywhere throughout the history of man, as, if I recall, V and you pointed out, but for differing motives, then we must have spent a lot of resources to better experience and understand it.

Sure, most if not all of the casino games were once beatable in some way at some time. Baccarat, eg, a derivative of blackjack, had various drawing rules before the presents ones. It took a while to figure out how to balance or randomize the game beyond just shuffling the cards. Just ask self-professed gambling expert Mickey about all of the things the casinos missed with slot machines.


P.S. Years ago, I wrote a 6,000 line Basic language program simulator for the game. It was set up to allow for the easy expansion of the code to cover every imaginable scenario of simulation. I offered it free online here and there. The source code. One company in California tried to pass it off as their own work, and sell it. They changed it superficially. You know what I did? I kept updating and re-offering it for free every other week until they it gave up. Simulations that the blackjack guys hadn't even thought of, in my opinion. Just for the fun of it.

[Alan Mendelson]

Yes, redietz I told Rob to be careful. I don't like guns. I stay away from people with guns.

[OneHitWonder]

Yes, redietz I told Rob to be careful. I don't like guns. I stay away from people with guns.

On average, a hundred persons die each and every day of the year in the US from guns. Most of those are suicides, however, about a third, if I recall.

Another statistic I heard, from years ago, is that half the people with guns have some sort of gun-related accident in their lifetimes.

Guns serve no more purpose for defence against a rogue government because the government now has tanks, etc.

[kewlJ]

REALLY? Is sports betting AP play is now veering off into a gun debate/discussion? Yeah we already veered off from the original topic, but at least we stayed in the arena of gambling.....we are really now going to guns?

[OneHitWonder]

Mickey you have now given a reason for everyone not to accept any challenge or even to meet up with you. Stay away from me.

The main problem with Mickey's stories is that everything adds up too well. If he is 100% sure that he will win such a bet, then why the need for any bankroll? The more the bankroll, the better his chances. And, how can there be so many highly "profitable" slot machines, let alone all of them where he lives? And never a loss or other bad experience with them. It's like when the only two good slot machines in his story about the draw were just available to him and a woman (who, obviously, was an ordinary player). No one is looking for such seats at slot machines, or talking about it, because no one is doing what he claims here over and over. It's just a story that grew with embellishments over the years. Nothing "hangs together" like a good lie. Or falls apart so fast each and every time the guy loses his "cool". He doesn't have even any friends or other connections to the real world through whom someone might have heard of him and/or his so-called exploits. But, liars stick together, and happily pat each other on the back in the shady world of bad bets.

[OneHitWonder]

REALLY? Is sports betting AP play is now veering off into a gun debate/discussion? Yeah we already veered off from the original topic, but at least we stayed in the arena of gambling.....we are really now going to guns?

Most gamblers may as well put a gun to their heads, and pull the trigger. Judging from what I have seen on the forums, and from what I have read about gambling addiction.

How many gun-deaths are related to gambling?

Enough of a connection for you?

[MisterV]

If a gambler decides to blow his brains out in his comped casino suite / room, he should have the decency to leave a generous tip for the maid.

A touch of class.

[redietz]

I was in the Luxor about 30 years ago -- early AM -- immediately after somebody who'd had a bad run of luck climbed over the 20-something floor rail and nosedived into a restaurant. Much splashier than any gun-related offing. Not sure if he left a tip -- in the restaurant or his room. Hope nobody in the restaurant had ordered scrambled eggs.

[redietz]

I hate to question the logic of our dear OneHit, but it has occurred to me that if casinos spent "billions" on research so their games are impregnable to APs, then at some point either the games were beatable or the casinos wasted one helluva lot of money. LOL. So now, after spending unspecified "billions," OneHit's argument is that the casinos have solved the issue, and all current APs are fibbing. That's a tad imprecise. I'd like to know, so I sleep better, was the problem solved after the first half billion in research, or the second, or the third, or is it possibly an ongoing investment casinos make to assure that nobody's walking off with their shekels?

If you're going to criticize gambling, it might be helpful to have some blessed idea what you're talking about.

Okay, so you don't want to productively argue the issues you have. Suffice it to say that if gambling is everywhere throughout the history of man, as, if I recall, V and you pointed out, but for differing motives, then we must have spent a lot of resources to better experience and understand it.

Sure, most if not all of the casino games were once beatable in some way at some time. Baccarat, eg, a derivative of blackjack, had various drawing rules before the presents ones. It took a while to figure out how to balance or randomize the game beyond just shuffling the cards. Just ask self-professed gambling expert Mickey about all of the things the casinos missed with slot machines.


P.S. Years ago, I wrote a 6,000 line Basic language program simulator for the game. It was set up to allow for the easy expansion of the code to cover every imaginable scenario of simulation. I offered it free online here and there. The source code. One company in California tried to pass it off as their own work, and sell it. They changed it superficially. You know what I did? I kept updating and re-offering it for free every other week until they it gave up. Simulations that the blackjack guys hadn't even thought of, in my opinion. Just for the fun of it.

OneHit, I'll bite. What issues do I have?

The sub-categories of gambling in which I'm behind -- I'm out 1K lifetime playing online poker and roughly $500 lifetime playing the lottery. I'm ahead playing non-online poker, just to be precise.