How would you play this casino offer?

[a2a3dseddie]

So, I'm currently in Las Vegas right now, playing both the November and December offer just 2 days apart.

The first $750 I took as slot play. It didn't turn out so well, and I only ended up with $460.

The cashier and Total Rewards attendant gave me the option of getting table game chips instead. She said they would be "play until you lose" chips.

I know that's a far superior deal than slot play which can only be run once. Here's the catch though. They give you seven $100 chips and two $25 chips and you can only play even money bets.

Now, I've won several hands in a row before, and lost several in a row before. I'd like to leave with some money.

What would you do?

[AxelWolf]

So, I'm currently in Las Vegas right now, playing both the November and December offer just 2 days apart.

The first $750 I took as slot play. It didn't turn out so well, and I only ended up with $460.

The cashier and Total Rewards attendant gave me the option of getting table game chips instead. She said they would be "play until you lose" chips.

I know that's a far superior deal than slot play which can only be run once. Here's the catch though. They give you seven $100 chips and two $25 chips and you can only play even money bets.

Now, I've won several hands in a row before, and lost several in a row before. I'd like to leave with some money.

What would you do?

I would get free play and sell it to Axel for $600. If you are interested let me know.

[MisterV]

Whoa, take the money and run.

My thought was bet pass and don't pass simultaneously at craps with a small hedge on midnight, to ensure a profit, but the casino might not allow it.

[a2a3dseddie]

If they gave $25 chips I'd take those no questions asked. But with only 7 bets on a blackjack game, one bad split and double would kill your chances of cashing out something.

[jbjb]

Can you use the free play on VP? If so, find the best low limit you can find and play it through only once, cash out and quit.

[Dan Druff]

Also I'm guessing you can get more $25 play-until-lose chips if you ask for them, instead of the $100s.

Maybe not, but I would try.

[Dan Druff]

jbjb is correct.

"Play until you lose" casino play and run-it-once VP are about equivalent.

House edge on blackjack is around 0.65% if it's an 8-decker paying 3:2 with splitting up to 4 times and double after split.

So that's worse than full pay Jacks or Better, but better than most other VP games, especially at low limits.

And there's less variance in the blackjack, especially because you're not dedicating 2% of the return to a royal, which is fairly unlikely to hit.

So yeah, blackjack is better if you want to leave with as close to $750 as possible, but in terms of EV it's not very different, assuming you play decent VP.

[RS__]

Actually, I'd think there's more variance in the BJ if you have 7x$100 and 2x$50. Plus, the strategy gets all wonky when you use free-bets, because doubling and splitting is weird.

Just play it off on something like $1 7/5 BP.

[Dan Druff]

Actually, I'd think there's more variance in the BJ if you have 7x$100 and 2x$50. Plus, the strategy gets all wonky when you use free-bets, because doubling and splitting is weird.

Just play it off on something like $1 7/5 BP.

Yeah if you gotta play off the $100s, I agree.

[a2a3dseddie]

Actually, I'd think there's more variance in the BJ if you have 7x$100 and 2x$50. Plus, the strategy gets all wonky when you use free-bets, because doubling and splitting is weird.

Just play it off on something like $1 7/5 BP.

Thanks RS, Dan. I will try VP. Don't know how good the pay tables are here at Bally's though.

[mickeycrimm]

Actually, I'd think there's more variance in the BJ if you have 7x$100 and 2x$50. Plus, the strategy gets all wonky when you use free-bets, because doubling and splitting is weird.

Just play it off on something like $1 7/5 BP.

Thanks RS, Dan. I will try VP. Don't know how good the pay tables are here at Bally's though.

Video Blackjack is also a consideration. Very low variance.

[Alan Mendelson]

First of all which TR casino allows you to play these monthly offers just two days apart? My offer calendar for Caesars Palace listed a total of five days in November for my free play offer and the December offer is sometime after the Great Gift Wrap Up.

No one asked the big question: will this be your ONLY play while in Vegas?

If it's your ONLY play you might want to use it at 25-cent VP which I think is 6/5 at best, or play single coin at higher denominations only to get more "play time" in.

I'm going to check my offer calendar for December after I post this but my November dates were around November 9th.

[a2a3dseddie]

No one asked the big question: will this be your ONLY play while in Vegas?

Actually, there were 2 other casinos that I received freeplay from as well.

$575 from the Cosmopolitan and $200 from the new Lucky Dragon Casino on Sahara.

I made a thread some time ago about spreading play around to generate offers.

I don't know the exact amount of play I gave these 2 casinos before these offers, but I have only ever been in the Cosmopolitan a couple of times (never actually stayed) and just popped into Lucky Dragon for about an hour or so this past summer.

I thought those offers were pretty generous.

It is my belief that heavy continued play at your "home away from home" casino all the time does not generate as good an offer as you playing heavily at a new place.

Dan has even mentioned something like this. Taking "breaks" then playing heavily to be recognized as a "new" player.

These AP players, mickey and RS and Axel, they look and chase offers down from casino to casino.

It might not be as ego stroking as walking into a casino where everyone knows your name, but I like getting good offers more..

There's nothing wrong with playing and staying at Caesars Palace all the time. I mean, as a recreational player you want to be comfortable in your environment. But if your home casino in Las Vegas knows you will come anyway, why would they have to offer you anything good as an incentive?

[AxelWolf]

It might not be as ego stroking as walking into a casino where everyone knows your name?

I don't know who the hell would want that or why. If they know your name you are probably an AP, a star or a degenerate. So, unless you are a star it seems like a bad thing for them to know your name.

[kewlJ]

But if your home casino in Las Vegas knows you will come anyway, why would they have to offer you anything good as an incentive?

This is an interesting topic. If you are talking about the strip / touristy casinos, they don't offer as much to locals as out-of-towners. And that is why some Las vegas resident/players, maintain an out of state mailing address.

But you may or may not be aware that there is a whole "other" Las vegas, consisting of "local's" type casinos that play it just the opposite. They cater to the locals. That is their market. And just the opposite from the strip casino's if you are an out-of-towner, your offers from these local type places, will be less, weighed more heavily on room/food offers than the better free play offers that players with a local address get.

[Alan Mendelson]

No one asked the big question: will this be your ONLY play while in Vegas?

Actually, there were 2 other casinos that I received freeplay from as well.

$575 from the Cosmopolitan and $200 from the new Lucky Dragon Casino on Sahara.

I made a thread some time ago about spreading play around to generate offers.

I don't know the exact amount of play I gave these 2 casinos before these offers, but I have only ever been in the Cosmopolitan a couple of times (never actually stayed) and just popped into Lucky Dragon for about an hour or so this past summer.

I thought those offers were pretty generous.

It is my belief that heavy continued play at your "home away from home" casino all the time does not generate as good an offer as you playing heavily at a new place.

Dan has even mentioned something like this. Taking "breaks" then playing heavily to be recognized as a "new" player.

These AP players, mickey and RS and Axel, they look and chase offers down from casino to casino.

It might not be as ego stroking as walking into a casino where everyone knows your name, but I like getting good offers more..

There's nothing wrong with playing and staying at Caesars Palace all the time. I mean, as a recreational player you want to be comfortable in your environment. But if your home casino in Las Vegas knows you will come anyway, why would they have to offer you anything good as an incentive?

Does the free play at Cosmo and Dragon require you to check in? If so do you check in at three different hotels just to get the free play plus what ever offers are attached?

[a2a3dseddie]

No one asked the big question: will this be your ONLY play while in Vegas?

Actually, there were 2 other casinos that I received freeplay from as well.

$575 from the Cosmopolitan and $200 from the new Lucky Dragon Casino on Sahara.

I made a thread some time ago about spreading play around to generate offers.

I don't know the exact amount of play I gave these 2 casinos before these offers, but I have only ever been in the Cosmopolitan a couple of times (never actually stayed) and just popped into Lucky Dragon for about an hour or so this past summer.

I thought those offers were pretty generous.

It is my belief that heavy continued play at your "home away from home" casino all the time does not generate as good an offer as you playing heavily at a new place.

Dan has even mentioned something like this. Taking "breaks" then playing heavily to be recognized as a "new" player.

These AP players, mickey and RS and Axel, they look and chase offers down from casino to casino.

It might not be as ego stroking as walking into a casino where everyone knows your name, but I like getting good offers more..

There's nothing wrong with playing and staying at Caesars Palace all the time. I mean, as a recreational player you want to be comfortable in your environment. But if your home casino in Las Vegas knows you will come anyway, why would they have to offer you anything good as an incentive?

Does the free play at Cosmo and Dragon require you to check in? If so do you check in at three different hotels just to get the free play plus what ever offers are attached?

I needed 2 days in between plays at CET, and needed to stay at Cosmopolitan for the $575 offer. Lucky Dragon didn't need a hotel stay. I just went in got my free 1 year anniversary T-shirt played my $200 and left.

But yes, there have been occasions where I've checked into a hotel just to get the offer, and left the room empty.

[Alan Mendelson]

My offer for this promotion was indeed around November 9th. The December offer is mid month. $900 per trip.

There are other offers for $250 and they can be taken twice each month and there are no blackout dates.

Isn't there a four day period between booking ANY offers?

[a2a3dseddie]

My offer for this promotion was indeed around November 9th. The December offer is mid month. $900 per trip.

There are other offers for $250 and they can be taken twice each month and there are no blackout dates.

Isn't there a four day period between booking ANY offers?

I stayed at Planet Hollywood from November 27th to the 29th, checking out on the 30th. I checked into Ballys today. The free casino play can be picked up on December 3rd.

[tableplay]

If you're going to run it through VP choose Pick a Pair VP assuming the casino has it. Much lower volatility than non-Pick a Pair VP (The royal is only about .05% of the total payback percentage). Otherwise, as another forum member suggested, bet the pass and don't pass at the same time (have a friend do the don't side with a cash bet and you do the pass with the chip plus the hedge on midnight).

So, I'm currently in Las Vegas right now, playing both the November and December offer just 2 days apart.

The first $750 I took as slot play. It didn't turn out so well, and I only ended up with $460.

The cashier and Total Rewards attendant gave me the option of getting table game chips instead. She said they would be "play until you lose" chips.

I know that's a far superior deal than slot play which can only be run once. Here's the catch though. They give you seven $100 chips and two $25 chips and you can only play even money bets.

Now, I've won several hands in a row before, and lost several in a row before. I'd like to leave with some money.

What would you do?