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  1. #1
    As Alan has continued to periodically bring up my tracking of two blackjack tables (in the little snippy way that he does), someone recently suggested that we contact Richard Munchkin about this technique. (I want to say it was Axel that made that suggestion, but I am not going to go back and look right now).

    Below is my email to Richard Munchkin, followed by his reply.



    On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 1:01 AM Kewl J <kewljvegas@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Hi Richard,

    Kewlj from the forums here.

    On a forum I participate at, I mentioned that I track multiple BJ tables when I can, playing one table and tracking a second neighboring table. One of the benefits of employing a simple level one count, but that's another discussion. lol Sitting in one of the middle seats, you have only one seat at each neighboring table that would possibly block your view, the next to last seat if looking at a table to your right and the second seat if looking at a table to your left.

    So anyway, my claim was met with skepticism to such a degree that a member off the site, ran out to several strip casinos and took blurry photographs of tables from the wrong seats and everything else, in an attempt to prove me wrong.

    Several other experienced blackjack players chimed in that they have tracked a second tale while playing one, at times. But still the skepticism guy was not convinced. He wanted to take a video of me at a casino counting two tables. lol I am sure it won't surprise you that I declined.

    So when I tried to tell this guy that tracking two tables was nothing new or groundbreaking, that experienced BJ players have been doing so, for decades, it was suggested and agreed upon that we contact you and ask you.

    So two parts: 1.) Have you heard of or are aware of any blackjack players that tracked a second table while playing one? 2.) If you are not aware of anyone doing so, could you give your opinion of the possibility of doing so? Obviously it is not always possible, but if the second table isn't too crowded.

    One of the big arguments is concerning missed cards (seen). I contend that I can miss a few cards. That has the same effect as less seen cards or penetration. All I am really looking for is a situation where the second tale has a count more advantageous than the table I am playing. You don't need to be all that precise to determine that.

    Appreciate your opinion.

    kewlJ




    From: Richard W. Munchkin <rwmunchkin@gmail.com>
    To: Kewl J <kewljvegas@yahoo.com>
    Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:35 AM
    Subject: Re: tracking two blackjack tables

    I have definitely done this many times, and talked about it on the air. I know many many people who have done this going back almost 40 years. As you correctly point out missing a few cards is not a big deal. It is the same as if those cards were behind the cut card. They are just "unseen cards". I recall one friend who would do 3 tables at a time, standing behind one and counting the tables on his right and left. He was playing for a team that did a lot of big player call in.

    I plan to talk about this on an upcoming episode but it will probably be a month out when we have our next listener questions show.



    This technique is NOT new! As Munchkin points out, experienced players have been doing this for decades. For anyone not aware, Richard Munchkins supports himself from AP these days, although has moved on far beyond card counting. Prior to this he was involved with Hollywood in some capacity an wrote a number of books, one entitled Gambling Wizards, Conversations with the World's Greatest Gamblers, where he had access to and interviewed some top blackjack players, so he would certainly know about this technique and who was employing it.

    Unfortunately on this site, the trolls are never satisfied and I suspect won't be here either. Alan and the other anti-AP deniers, will just set about attempting to discredit and smear Munchkin now.

  2. #2
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    As Alan has continued to periodically bring up my tracking of two blackjack tables (in the little snippy way that he does), someone recently suggested that we contact Richard Munchkin about this technique. (I want to say it was Axel that made that suggestion, but I am not going to go back and look right now).

    Below is my email to Richard Munchkin, followed by his reply.



    On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 1:01 AM Kewl J <kewljvegas@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Hi Richard,

    Kewlj from the forums here.

    On a forum I participate at, I mentioned that I track multiple BJ tables when I can, playing one table and tracking a second neighboring table. One of the benefits of employing a simple level one count, but that's another discussion. lol Sitting in one of the middle seats, you have only one seat at each neighboring table that would possibly block your view, the next to last seat if looking at a table to your right and the second seat if looking at a table to your left.

    So anyway, my claim was met with skepticism to such a degree that a member off the site, ran out to several strip casinos and took blurry photographs of tables from the wrong seats and everything else, in an attempt to prove me wrong.

    Several other experienced blackjack players chimed in that they have tracked a second tale while playing one, at times. But still the skepticism guy was not convinced. He wanted to take a video of me at a casino counting two tables. lol I am sure it won't surprise you that I declined.

    So when I tried to tell this guy that tracking two tables was nothing new or groundbreaking, that experienced BJ players have been doing so, for decades, it was suggested and agreed upon that we contact you and ask you.

    So two parts: 1.) Have you heard of or are aware of any blackjack players that tracked a second table while playing one? 2.) If you are not aware of anyone doing so, could you give your opinion of the possibility of doing so? Obviously it is not always possible, but if the second table isn't too crowded.

    One of the big arguments is concerning missed cards (seen). I contend that I can miss a few cards. That has the same effect as less seen cards or penetration. All I am really looking for is a situation where the second tale has a count more advantageous than the table I am playing. You don't need to be all that precise to determine that.

    Appreciate your opinion.

    kewlJ




    From: Richard W. Munchkin <rwmunchkin@gmail.com>
    To: Kewl J <kewljvegas@yahoo.com>
    Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:35 AM
    Subject: Re: tracking two blackjack tables

    I have definitely done this many times, and talked about it on the air. I know many many people who have done this going back almost 40 years. As you correctly point out missing a few cards is not a big deal. It is the same as if those cards were behind the cut card. They are just "unseen cards". I recall one friend who would do 3 tables at a time, standing behind one and counting the tables on his right and left. He was playing for a team that did a lot of big player call in.

    I plan to talk about this on an upcoming episode but it will probably be a month out when we have our next listener questions show.



    This technique is NOT new! As Munchkin points out, experienced players have been doing this for decades. For anyone not aware, Richard Munchkins supports himself from AP these days, although has moved on far beyond card counting. Prior to this he was involved with Hollywood in some capacity an wrote a number of books, one entitled Gambling Wizards, Conversations with the World's Greatest Gamblers, where he had access to and interviewed some top blackjack players, so he would certainly know about this technique and who was employing it.

    Unfortunately on this site, the trolls are never satisfied and I suspect won't be here either. Alan and the other anti-AP deniers, will just set about attempting to discredit and smear Munchkin now.

    Sounds like an infestation of crickets. I remember an old Happy Days episode with the Fonz having a terrible time getting the words, "I was wrong" out of his mouth.

  3. #3
    I'm waiting for someone to claim they can count four tables.

  4. #4
    The point is that two is not exceptionally difficult when the conditions are right.

    How many words per minute could you type your first time on a keyboard? What circus performers do you would think no one could do, until you see them do the same damn thing day after day after day after day and then you realize it's not necessarily all that exceptionally difficult.

  5. #5
    It's possible for the human brain to multi-task when the two tasks are dissimilar, but not so much when of the same sort. Psychology-101. Especially when you have to calculate, place and maintain your own bets (where you already are).

    You might be able to count two or more tables at almost the same time, but your comprehension, and "feel", in the case that you have done it long enough that it's subconscious or second nature, will fall off sharply. More likely, more than a few cards are missed or guessed at, and that means less information. Definitely not negligible, or simply unseen. It takes a while to establish a reliable count, and even then there aren't that many good betting opportunities afterward.

    Besides, like persons whose mouths move as they count, you are going to look pretty stupid to anyone who takes a moment to look at you when you are staring at the action on another table. And hold up the one that you are at.

    It's funny how all of this strained AP information comes up on peripheral sites rather than the main ones. Something new, every day, I suppose. That Nobel Prize to the AP's is just around the corner?
    Last edited by OneHitWonder; 12-12-2017 at 02:54 PM.

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    As Alan has continued to periodically bring up my tracking of two blackjack tables (in the little snippy way that he does), someone recently suggested that we contact Richard Munchkin about this technique. (I want to say it was Axel that made that suggestion, but I am not going to go back and look right now).

    Below is my email to Richard Munchkin, followed by his reply.



    On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 1:01 AM Kewl J <kewljvegas@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Hi Richard,

    Kewlj from the forums here.

    On a forum I participate at, I mentioned that I track multiple BJ tables when I can, playing one table and tracking a second neighboring table. One of the benefits of employing a simple level one count, but that's another discussion. lol Sitting in one of the middle seats, you have only one seat at each neighboring table that would possibly block your view, the next to last seat if looking at a table to your right and the second seat if looking at a table to your left.

    So anyway, my claim was met with skepticism to such a degree that a member off the site, ran out to several strip casinos and took blurry photographs of tables from the wrong seats and everything else, in an attempt to prove me wrong.

    Several other experienced blackjack players chimed in that they have tracked a second tale while playing one, at times. But still the skepticism guy was not convinced. He wanted to take a video of me at a casino counting two tables. lol I am sure it won't surprise you that I declined.

    So when I tried to tell this guy that tracking two tables was nothing new or groundbreaking, that experienced BJ players have been doing so, for decades, it was suggested and agreed upon that we contact you and ask you.

    So two parts: 1.) Have you heard of or are aware of any blackjack players that tracked a second table while playing one? 2.) If you are not aware of anyone doing so, could you give your opinion of the possibility of doing so? Obviously it is not always possible, but if the second table isn't too crowded.

    One of the big arguments is concerning missed cards (seen). I contend that I can miss a few cards. That has the same effect as less seen cards or penetration. All I am really looking for is a situation where the second tale has a count more advantageous than the table I am playing. You don't need to be all that precise to determine that.

    Appreciate your opinion.

    kewlJ




    From: Richard W. Munchkin <rwmunchkin@gmail.com>
    To: Kewl J <kewljvegas@yahoo.com>
    Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:35 AM
    Subject: Re: tracking two blackjack tables

    I have definitely done this many times, and talked about it on the air. I know many many people who have done this going back almost 40 years. As you correctly point out missing a few cards is not a big deal. It is the same as if those cards were behind the cut card. They are just "unseen cards". I recall one friend who would do 3 tables at a time, standing behind one and counting the tables on his right and left. He was playing for a team that did a lot of big player call in.

    I plan to talk about this on an upcoming episode but it will probably be a month out when we have our next listener questions show.



    This technique is NOT new! As Munchkin points out, experienced players have been doing this for decades. For anyone not aware, Richard Munchkins supports himself from AP these days, although has moved on far beyond card counting. Prior to this he was involved with Hollywood in some capacity an wrote a number of books, one entitled Gambling Wizards, Conversations with the World's Greatest Gamblers, where he had access to and interviewed some top blackjack players, so he would certainly know about this technique and who was employing it.

    Unfortunately on this site, the trolls are never satisfied and I suspect won't be here either. Alan and the other anti-AP deniers, will just set about attempting to discredit and smear Munchkin now.

    Sounds like an infestation of crickets. I remember an old Happy Days episode with the Fonz having a terrible time getting the words, "I was wrong" out of his mouth.
    How are you with the X-files? And the words, I want to believe.

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I'm waiting for someone to claim they can count four tables.
    It's clear that we have more than one person willing to claim that they can count a second table while playing a first,
    but less than one person willing to demonstrate that ability.

    Just for the record, Alan...I can count four tables.

  8. #8
    Originally Posted by OneHitWonder View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    As Alan has continued to periodically bring up my tracking of two blackjack tables (in the little snippy way that he does), someone recently suggested that we contact Richard Munchkin about this technique. (I want to say it was Axel that made that suggestion, but I am not going to go back and look right now).

    Below is my email to Richard Munchkin, followed by his reply.



    On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 1:01 AM Kewl J <kewljvegas@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Hi Richard,

    Kewlj from the forums here.

    On a forum I participate at, I mentioned that I track multiple BJ tables when I can, playing one table and tracking a second neighboring table. One of the benefits of employing a simple level one count, but that's another discussion. lol Sitting in one of the middle seats, you have only one seat at each neighboring table that would possibly block your view, the next to last seat if looking at a table to your right and the second seat if looking at a table to your left.

    So anyway, my claim was met with skepticism to such a degree that a member off the site, ran out to several strip casinos and took blurry photographs of tables from the wrong seats and everything else, in an attempt to prove me wrong.

    Several other experienced blackjack players chimed in that they have tracked a second tale while playing one, at times. But still the skepticism guy was not convinced. He wanted to take a video of me at a casino counting two tables. lol I am sure it won't surprise you that I declined.

    So when I tried to tell this guy that tracking two tables was nothing new or groundbreaking, that experienced BJ players have been doing so, for decades, it was suggested and agreed upon that we contact you and ask you.

    So two parts: 1.) Have you heard of or are aware of any blackjack players that tracked a second table while playing one? 2.) If you are not aware of anyone doing so, could you give your opinion of the possibility of doing so? Obviously it is not always possible, but if the second table isn't too crowded.

    One of the big arguments is concerning missed cards (seen). I contend that I can miss a few cards. That has the same effect as less seen cards or penetration. All I am really looking for is a situation where the second tale has a count more advantageous than the table I am playing. You don't need to be all that precise to determine that.

    Appreciate your opinion.

    kewlJ




    From: Richard W. Munchkin <rwmunchkin@gmail.com>
    To: Kewl J <kewljvegas@yahoo.com>
    Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:35 AM
    Subject: Re: tracking two blackjack tables

    I have definitely done this many times, and talked about it on the air. I know many many people who have done this going back almost 40 years. As you correctly point out missing a few cards is not a big deal. It is the same as if those cards were behind the cut card. They are just "unseen cards". I recall one friend who would do 3 tables at a time, standing behind one and counting the tables on his right and left. He was playing for a team that did a lot of big player call in.

    I plan to talk about this on an upcoming episode but it will probably be a month out when we have our next listener questions show.



    This technique is NOT new! As Munchkin points out, experienced players have been doing this for decades. For anyone not aware, Richard Munchkins supports himself from AP these days, although has moved on far beyond card counting. Prior to this he was involved with Hollywood in some capacity an wrote a number of books, one entitled Gambling Wizards, Conversations with the World's Greatest Gamblers, where he had access to and interviewed some top blackjack players, so he would certainly know about this technique and who was employing it.

    Unfortunately on this site, the trolls are never satisfied and I suspect won't be here either. Alan and the other anti-AP deniers, will just set about attempting to discredit and smear Munchkin now.

    Sounds like an infestation of crickets. I remember an old Happy Days episode with the Fonz having a terrible time getting the words, "I was wrong" out of his mouth.
    How are you with the X-files? And the words, I want to believe.

    Thanks for asking, OneHit, Actually, I was debunking paranormal claims, maybe before you were born. I got to ask Chris Carter a question or two, and I was an investigator for the short-lived Society for the Scientific Documentation of Claims of the Paranormal. But you digress....

    I don't "want to believe" anything. I'll be toting my tape measure to various blackjack tables next week and measuring the distances and eyeballing what can be seen. Then I'll check with an optometrist as to what kind of visual acuity is needed at those distances. Then I'll report here. At this point in the process, I'd say KJ's on pretty solid ground, but as Sir Arthur Conan Doyle used to say, "It's a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."

    To disbelieve, at this point, is to theorize that KJ and Munchkin are part of some broad conspiracy to make APs seems as if they have more abilities than they do. Possible, I suppose, although Munchkin making a public response and quoting the fact that it has been discussed on his show previously renders that theory, as of now, pretty far fetched.

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I'm waiting for someone to claim they can count four tables.
    It's clear that we have more than one person willing to claim that they can count a second table while playing a first,
    but less than one person willing to demonstrate that ability.
    Very true.

    At least the wannabe DIs are willing to demonstrate (even if they can't do it).

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by OneHitWonder View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post


    Sounds like an infestation of crickets. I remember an old Happy Days episode with the Fonz having a terrible time getting the words, "I was wrong" out of his mouth.
    How are you with the X-files? And the words, I want to believe.

    Thanks for asking, OneHit, Actually, I was debunking paranormal claims, maybe before you were born. I got to ask Chris Carter a question or two, and I was an investigator for the short-lived Society for the Scientific Documentation of Claims of the Paranormal. But you digress....

    I don't "want to believe" anything. I'll be toting my tape measure to various blackjack tables next week and measuring the distances and eyeballing what can be seen. Then I'll check with an optometrist as to what kind of visual acuity is needed at those distances. Then I'll report here. At this point in the process, I'd say KJ's on pretty solid ground, but as Sir Arthur Conan Doyle used to say, "It's a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."

    To disbelieve, at this point, is to theorize that KJ and Munchkin are part of some broad conspiracy to make APs seems as if they have more abilities than they do. Possible, I suppose, although Munchkin making a public response and quoting the fact that it has been discussed on his show previously renders that theory, as of now, pretty far fetched.
    I take it that you haven't read any of the blackjack forums over the years, and aren't familiar with too many of the blackjack writers and their works? And that digressing is still your M.O. in dealing with what you have no clue about?

  11. #11
    Why would a card counter volunteer to put himself on camera counting cards? What's the risk/reward of doing that? The card counting can be done at multiple tables if you sit the tables right in front of a counter. All that's questioned here is the visual opportunity and ability to do it given various distances and obstructions. I mean, you're really not arguing that people don't have the ability to card count multiple tables if they're right in front of them, are you? Hell, I've never counted cards, but I think I could do that with a couple weeks of training.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Why would a card counter volunteer to put himself on camera counting cards? What's the risk/reward of doing that? The card counting can be done at multiple tables if you sit the tables right in front of a counter. All that's questioned here is the visual opportunity and ability to do it given various distances and obstructions. I mean, you're really not arguing that people don't have the ability to card count multiple tables if they're right in front of them, are you? Hell, I've never counted cards, but I think I could do that with a couple weeks of training.
    I'm a card counter. And I know how fast (most dealers) deal the cards. Been there, and done that. I hope that no one is saying that they are trying to count the cards at other tables for nothing. Not so easy as you want to believe.

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by OneHitWonder View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by OneHitWonder View Post

    How are you with the X-files? And the words, I want to believe.

    Thanks for asking, OneHit, Actually, I was debunking paranormal claims, maybe before you were born. I got to ask Chris Carter a question or two, and I was an investigator for the short-lived Society for the Scientific Documentation of Claims of the Paranormal. But you digress....

    I don't "want to believe" anything. I'll be toting my tape measure to various blackjack tables next week and measuring the distances and eyeballing what can be seen. Then I'll check with an optometrist as to what kind of visual acuity is needed at those distances. Then I'll report here. At this point in the process, I'd say KJ's on pretty solid ground, but as Sir Arthur Conan Doyle used to say, "It's a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."

    To disbelieve, at this point, is to theorize that KJ and Munchkin are part of some broad conspiracy to make APs seems as if they have more abilities than they do. Possible, I suppose, although Munchkin making a public response and quoting the fact that it has been discussed on his show previously renders that theory, as of now, pretty far fetched.
    I take it that you haven't read any of the blackjack forums over the years, and aren't familiar with too many of the blackjack writers and their works? And that digressing is still your M.O. in dealing with what you have no clue about?

    What do blackjack writers and forums have to say about visual acuity? I don't know. I haven't played blackjack in 30 years. I'm not digressing. You haven't given one piece of data regarding why it cannot be done. Feel free. You have the floor. Try to not digress.

  14. #14
    Much recent neuroscience research tells us that the brain doesn’t really do tasks simultaneously, as we thought (hoped) it might. In fact, we just switch tasks quickly. Each time we move from hearing music to writing a text or talking to someone, there is a stop/start process that goes on in the brain.

    That start/stop/start process is rough on us: rather than saving time, it costs time (even very small micro seconds), it’s less efficient, we make more mistakes, and over time it can be energy sapping.
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...h-multitasking

    BTW, your turn.


    P.S. Crickets?

  15. #15
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I mean, you're really not arguing that people don't have the ability to card count multiple tables if they're right in front of them, are you?
    I think the skepticism is about counting a second table while playing another, and not being noticed.

    https://tenor.com/view/bryz-shifty-eyes-gif-5983050

  16. #16
    Perhaps Alan would be amazed to find out that these are just kids playing around with him. Or that the 18 yo's in a row was a joke by the casino. Something like that. Things are often much simpler than we imagine.

  17. #17
    Of course these are just kids on this forum... at least in kewlj's case. What is he, 23?

    There are multiple problems with this claim about counting multiple tables. Here are a few:

    1. The dealers. Their timing has to be impeccable so that you can count two or three tables.

    2. Your own game. You just can't literally stand out like a sore thumb looking at other tables.

    3. Obstructions including other players.

    4. Seat angle and distance. Has anyone yet besides me gone to a blackjack pit and sit in a middle seat or stand by one to look at the next table? Kewlj has criticized me for my photos but my photos though blurry show the real problem that the tables are not close and you need a high angle to look over the lips of the tables. Whether in seat two, three or four it makes no difference. You need really good clear line of sight to see the cards. Add a drink in the cup holder and it all goes to shit.

    5. And then this statement that it's okay to miss some cards? Really? Are these people playing with half a deck? They must be.

    6. Actually keeping track. I suppose people do it but with so much going on including playing your own game do they really keep a count?

    7. I've never heard of a card counter playing one table who said missing cards is okay. But the multi table counters say missing cards is okay and they have an excuse: those are cards behind the cut card. Well, what about those other cards that are behind the cut card? Don't they matter?

    Oh I get it. They're just playing with half a deck. But I'm not.

  18. #18
    Redietz I trust you. When you tell me you can count two tables -- and get a good workable count and not some sloppy number -- then I'll believe it.

  19. #19
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Redietz I trust you. When you tell me you can count two tables -- and get a good workable count and not some sloppy number -- then I'll believe it.
    There's a reason that players don't use two different counts at the same table. Then, no one would have to compromise to get the job done by staying with one measure of count. Were it so simple.

    There is a somewhat gruelling procedure to absolutely count the ranks of all cards swiftly dealt, including the tens; and a different optimal formula for each card scenario against the dealer in which to insert those counts to determine a best strategy for each situation. But, you might last 20 minutes at that, after years of practice, and say "fuck this".

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Of course these are just kids on this forum... at least in kewlj's case. What is he, 23?

    There are multiple problems with this claim about counting multiple tables. Here are a few:

    1. The dealers. Their timing has to be impeccable so that you can count two or three tables.

    2. Your own game. You just can't literally stand out like a sore thumb looking at other tables.

    3. Obstructions including other players.

    4. Seat angle and distance. Has anyone yet besides me gone to a blackjack pit and sit in a middle seat or stand by one to look at the next table? Kewlj has criticized me for my photos but my photos though blurry show the real problem that the tables are not close and you need a high angle to look over the lips of the tables. Whether in seat two, three or four it makes no difference. You need really good clear line of sight to see the cards. Add a drink in the cup holder and it all goes to shit.

    5. And then this statement that it's okay to miss some cards? Really? Are these people playing with half a deck? They must be.

    6. Actually keeping track. I suppose people do it but with so much going on including playing your own game do they really keep a count?

    7. I've never heard of a card counter playing one table who said missing cards is okay. But the multi table counters say missing cards is okay and they have an excuse: those are cards behind the cut card. Well, what about those other cards that are behind the cut card? Don't they matter?

    Oh I get it. They're just playing with half a deck. But I'm not.
    My, my, you and Betty sure sound like 2 jealous, disgruntled little cunts...why do you care if KJ can count 2 tables?...why would you care if he said he could track 10?....is your fucking life so drab that you get knots in your stomach about what some stranger claims?....Wait, don`t answer that, it`s clear....Alan is a degenerate gambling junkie who needs to tap his vein on a weekly, if not daily basis (he got married at a craps table for Chrissakes)....and Betty is pissed that he can`t turn his $275 weekly custodian salary into a windfall at the dumps of A.C. for his eagerly planned sex change operation...he already financed the boobs, now he`s just waiting on the rest....lolololololololol

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