Tracking multiple BJ tables - Richard Munchkin

[coach belly]

The only way I make such a bet is if the deal button is hit 1,000,000 times. PERIOD.

And only if the play is in Montana, so you can bring your friend along for protection...right?

[coach belly]

Neither I or any one else here thought you would be man enough to admit your mistake and apologize.

What mistake was that?

[mickeycrimm]

And only if the play is in Montana, so you can bring your friend along for protection...right?

Why would I trust a troll?

[redietz]

[QUOTE=regnis;56277]

Coach-you and I have no beef, and I have generally supported you in a lot of these threads. So I will tell you that from time to time Redietz has PM'ed me with some of his plays.

Of course I agree, we have no beef as I consider you to be truthful.

Truth be told...from time to time, did redietz send you his plays before the betting window was closed on those plays?

Coach--the PM re Georgia was sent August 24, which I assume preceded the start of the season or was maybe a week in. As to other plays, I don't recall but since they were usually futures rather than specific day to day games, they were also early on. Don't forget with the futures, as he has stated, he shops the lines. He has also stated that he will go the other way when circumstance and the lines will allow for a hedge, middle, or side. So that probably doesn't clear anything up at all. I was just giving him props for the Georgia play, and through my discussions with him, as I have previously stated, I am fully satisfied as to his authenticity. I wish I had jumped on Georgia but I actually don't bet sports anymore unless I am at the game or at a party where the game will be on and need to make it interesting. The day the vice squad kicked down my door I kind of decided it wasn't worth it anymore.

Redietz--you know where to send the 2 coupons for the warehouse buffet now.(that was the Stardut buffet for those of you that don't have gray hair yet)[/QUOTE

I will get those coupons right to you, regnis.

Thanks for the back-up. Not necessary, but appreciated. What I love about coach was that his first question wasn't "Gee, that seems like a good play. How'd you come up with that?" It was a question as to whether I suggested these before the betting window closed. LOL.

Geez, coach, you aren't a little biased, are you? Leaning one way for a particular answer or two?

Here's a tidbit, coach. One of the guys who I shared that idea with here actually got significantly better numbers than me on the Georgia-to-win-SEC, which was somewhat embarrassing. I'm supposed to be good at that, but I got seriously outshopped. Tsk, tsk on me. So not only did I make the play, I understated what odds were available. Just what any entrepreneurial capitalist scammer would do, right?

Regnis, back in the day, I'd put my jacket on a chair in the Stardust book at about 7 AM, stick a newspaper and legal pads on the seat of the chair, and mosey over to the Stardust buffet because it was two solid hours (at least) until kickoff. Also, I really miss the Stardust lounge.

[redietz]

That email from Mr. Singer highlights a couple of things. Mr. Singer has never believed I'm me because he gets confusing feedback when he tries to pin down my address(es) and social security number(s). Oopsie, did I use plural(s)!?! Rob also can't track me down on the internet by simply googling. He'd have to google something specific (like www.vegasWiseGuys.com). Of course he thinks he has the best bag of tricks regarding pinning down someone's location or identity, and he does not. He's actually pretty vanilla. But he gets very frustrated and adamant when his kindergarten private investigator stuff doesn't work. (Did I mention my brother-in-law was the biggest P.I. in New Mexico at one point?)

Anyway, this shows you the weird psychoticism Rob displays...which brings us to Mr. Mendelson, who has always claimed Rob's internet persona is one thing and his "real" personality is something else. Well, Mr. Mendelson of course has it completely backwards because if the bulk of someone's interactions outside their family are weirdness and psychotic, and their interactions with you are fine, then you're the one being fooled. So either Mr. Mendelson is a real bad judge of how people behave when they're not with him, or he's just been helping Rob be psychotic all these years. Most of the people who refuse to engage Mr. Singer, like the guy who was on teams of video poker players and Dancer and Scott, refuse to engage him because Mr. Singer has demonstrated the kinds of behaviors in that email to you.

Gaming Today didn't dump Mr. Singer, who was writing a free, well-written, and relatively popular column, because he was an upstanding citizen and friend to all. Mr. Singer, I predict, will just get worse as he gets older.

You know Jay J Armes!!!? Or is he from Texas?

That was actually pretty funny. No, my brother-in-law is Bob Bruno, author of "Serious Surveillance for the Private Investigator" or something like that. Book's way outdated now, but still not a bad read.

[coach belly]

Leaning one way for a particular answer or two?

Never...which way / what particular answers do you suppose I was leaning for?

[redietz]

Leaning one way for a particular answer or two?

Never...which way / what particular answers do you suppose I was leaning for?

Yeah, asking if someone gave a recommendation before the betting window closed as an initial question is the very soul of objectivity.

You're actually getting funnier without Mr. Singer.

Hell, I do that all the time -- give recommendations after betting windows close. Sometimes I wait three, four years. My personal record is picking the Soviets to win the men's basketball at the 1972 Olympics. I gave that recommendation in 2004 -- it made my reputation. It's my forte.

[coach belly]

Hell, I do that all the time -- give recommendations after betting windows close.

All of the plays you've claimed to have made on this site have been announced after the fact.

Have you ever announced any play here before the betting window has closed?

I wasn't aware the the plays you revealed privately to other members were recommendations.

But I was trying to establish that they were, which would indicate that you were recruiting/soliciting clients.

Were you giving out your plays for free to strangers while selling them to clients?...I understood that to be unethical.

[kewlJ]

...I understood that to be unethical.

As is you parading up and down Pacific Ave in Atlantic City in your high heels and wig, 'conveniently forgetting' to mention to the "Johns" that you have a dick (small as it may be).

[MisterV]

...I understood that to be unethical.

As is you parading up and down Pacific Ave in Atlantic City in your high heels and wig, 'conveniently forgetting' to mention to the "Johns" that you have a dick (small as it may be).

OW!

*bitch slap*

Cat fight!

[OneHitWonder]

It's odd that for such a supposedly non-anonymous person, Red hasn't used his real name as his username here. It doesn't appear possible to Google him to here, either. Like he wants to reach out from here to some select audience without exposing himself to the world or other analytical scrutiny.

[OneHitWonder]

...I understood that to be unethical.

As is you parading up and down Pacific Ave in Atlantic City in your high heels and wig, 'conveniently forgetting' to mention to the "Johns" that you have a dick (small as it may be).

OW!

*bitch slap*

Cat fight!

Well, we are finding out who has a dick versus who does not.

[redietz]

Hell, I do that all the time -- give recommendations after betting windows close.

All of the plays you've claimed to have made on this site have been announced after the fact.

Have you ever announced any play here before the betting window has closed?

I wasn't aware the the plays you revealed privately to other members were recommendations.

But I was trying to establish that they were, which would indicate that you were recruiting/soliciting clients.

Were you giving out your plays for free to strangers while selling them to clients?...I understood that to be unethical.

Keep trying, coach. I've been doing this 40 years and have never "recruited/solicited" a client from any forum. But you bring up a valid point with an obvious answer, which makes me question if you know anything at all about sports betting. I assume not, so consider this my last educational post for you.

It would be unethical to tell people what we did unless (drum roll please) we'd already done it. Sports betting is not pari-mutuel.

Wow, now there was a deep, philosophical, and ridiculously obvious answer. Good lord, man, use your brain. Think a little bit.

P.S. I'd jump on that Soviets-to-win-1972 men's hoops before the betting window closes.
P.S.S. You do realize the "betting window" on Georgia to win the SEC and national title never actually closed, right? The odds changed, but the alleged window never closed. For someone who attempts precision of language, your lack of knowledge sticks out like the proverbial sore thumb.

[redietz]

It's odd that for such a supposedly non-anonymous person, Red hasn't used his real name as his username here. It doesn't appear possible to Google him to here, either. Like he wants to reach out from here to some select audience without exposing himself to the world or other analytical scrutiny.

What is wrong with you? Is it a reading comprehension issue? Are you just an out-and-out moron? My name is R.E.Dietz, as in Robert Earl Dietz. I've said this, like, 20 times here.

Yeah, this is some select audience. This is why I went 2000 posts without mentioning what I do -- so I can "reach out to a select audience."

Analytic scrutiny? I was listed in the McCusker Report throughout the 80's and 90's. I gave a paper at the National Conference on Gambling and Risk Taking. I've been in the invitation only Wise Guys Contest for decades. Plug time (www.VegasWiseGuys.com). I was in the 1984 Who's Who in Sports Gambling (Hall Publishing). Oh, that's right. OneHit didn't want or need "the package," because then he'd be reading "analytic scrutiny" and that would blow the whole anti-AP blather. My bad.

Does the lack of periods in the username confuse you? I'm so sorry. Rob Singer had exactly the same issue. It's tough, from moment to moment, to realize there should be periods. Is it the lack of capitalization? I'll try to do better. But help me out. Would you prefer periods, or are you okay with an occasional hyphen or semicolon? I aim to please.

[kewlJ]

What is wrong with you? Is it a reading comprehension issue? Are you just an out-and-out moron?

Redietz, what is wrong is these guys...OneHit, coach belly and to some extent Alan, is they are sick. They are Haters. And haters....Hate! Mostly themselves, but they project their hate onto others. These sick, bitter people aren't happy until they can make everyone just as miserable as they are. Unfortunately nothing, you, I, or anyone, anywhere says has any effect on them. They just hate! Again, mostly themselves.

As near as I can figure because Alan is a hater, he certainly tolerated, if not encouraged their participation here. So "the haters" congregated here. When Alan sold the site, Dan didn't put a stop to it, so it continues.

Singer is gone....that's a step in the right direction. Blackhole quit on his own...another plus for the forum. My advice To Dan: Clear out these other two (Onehit and coach belly) and let's see what this site can become. And see if Alan wants to act like a reasonable human being.

[MisterV]

Bullshit.

They don't "hate" AP or AP's.

That's like saying I'm an atheist because I "hate" god.

Not true.

I'm an atheist because I dont "believe" in god, just as they question the claims of gambling success made by some AP's.

Alright you lot, back on your head!

[RS__]

Damn, y'all should quit arguing about who the hell knows what. Alan, Belly, and that other retard whom's name I can't remember aren't going to change their mind. You can't fix stupid, as the legend goes. If anything should be done, in my opinion of course, is you should petition Dan to have the retards removed and/or block them and don't read/respond (to) their posts.

[kewlJ]

Bullshit.

They don't "hate" AP or AP's.

just as they question the claims of gambling success made by some AP's.

You are correct....Your statement is complete bullshit, MrV.

No one, myself included has any problem with anyone who question advantage play or advantage players. But that is NOT what these guys, nor Singer and Blackhole before them are doing. What they are doing is trying to discredit anyone on this site who is an AP. Everything they say and do, the way the say it, is about discrediting someone who is an AP. Most of it intentionally dishonest and deceitful.

Alan didn't "question" counting two tables, he said it can't be done and then ran out and cherry picked an exact condition of a crowded table to show that it couldn't be done. WHICH BTW, I said the first time I even mention it. I said if "it's crowded conditions, it may not be possible". He also specifically took a picture from the first seat, attempting to show a bad angle, when I said, you need to sit in one of the center seats. This was not a mistake or some sort of misunderstanding....this was intentional deceit.

How about the redietz package situation? Where you even here for that MrV? Challenges were made as to who redietz was. When redietz (foolishly in my opinion) put together proof in the form of documentation, Alan said "send it to me" and provided his business address. And then the dance began! Alan said it would "take a few days to get to his office to pick up the package". And then a week. And then he said "he gets there every other week". And then he said "he gets there monthly". And then "once every quarter" (3 months). And then he said he doesn't have keys to his office. And finally, he retired and no longer goes to the office.

I can post examples involving mickey and Axel and even though RS tries not to get too involved, even things said about or in a way to discredit him.

This is not "questioning" advantage play. This is an agenda to discredit the AP's on this site and make them look bad. Some of it very obvious and blatant, some more subtle, but make no mistake, this is an intentional agenda. And the methods are deceitful and dishonest.

[Alan Mendelson]

Kewlj every time you lie I'm going to call you out on it. The photos were not taken from an end seat. Why don't you post your own photo??

I've been asking other forum members to look for themselves. Have none of you been in a casino since this discussion started?

You've admitted the information you can gather at a second table is limited. That tells me you can't have an accurate count.

Anyone can go to the casinos you mentioned on the West side of the Strip and see for themselves that the tables are too far apart. Then they can observe for themselves when the dealers deal -- and they would have to be in sync for you to accomplish what you claim.

Frankly you just can't deal with someone saying the emperor has no clothes.

I don't fall for your bullshit.

And regarding the package, Tony told me what was there. I didn't have to see it. Redietz wouldn't post it, so you expected me to post it? No. If it's so important let redietz post it or let him send it to you so you can post it.

Now grow up.

[Alan Mendelson]

And one more thing Mr Kewlj: I have nothing against advantage play or APs. I just don't believe your claim about counting two blackjack tables and getting a meaningful count. You want to prove me wrong?

I don't think you can even see enough cards to get a count. I think you'll stick out as a card counter as soon as you start looking at another table and delay your own game.