Tracking multiple BJ tables - Richard Munchkin

[blackhole]

Dan Druff has made it clear that Trolling Only will not be tolerated.
Many of the members who Troll have also shared valuable information.
However, anyone who Trolls a Thread Only and nothing else gets deleted and or banned from the thread.
The Forum is the most relaxed as far as leniency and tolerance goes.
Not sure what anyone can gripe about, myself included.

When banning someone from a thread because you don’t agree with that persons legitimate objective opinions while using the disguise of trolling or some lame excuse like “not needing arguments from other forums brought to this one” which I still have no idea what that meant, is nothing more than a bias reaction.

Just like your clever response above trying to back up the recent actions. So, what you're saying is I could tell everyone where a good +ev play is and follow up with Monet could suck my cock in the same post would be OK?

[Rob.Singer]

Standing or crouching BEHIND the table doesn't accurately represent what kewlj does. Try to find an empty table next to a table in use. Sit at the center seat if only for a couple of hands. Report back.

There is only one place where you will find two tables with shoes side by side...and that's only on weekends As Rob said, Pmill tables are closest together. If I stand behind one table I can see and count the cards at the other table. But what a pain in the ass. People tucking cards. Double down goes card down and they don't turn it up. Some fuckhead waiting forever in deciding whether to hit or stand. Then you have to revert quickly back to the table your standing at. It's like watching a tennis match at full speed motion.

If I sit in the middle chair, I'm constantly looking to my left. IF I sit on the end then I can't see at all. IF some fat ass sits down on the end I can only spot 2 or 3 hands from the middle chair. Now Wong is wrong if the table is empty. Most shoe dealers look lonely or as if they just took Sing Sing picks last weekend. lol But how in the blue fuck am I going to stand there counting down and not be noticed? There is sooo much dicking around. Cocktail waitress constantly asking for drinks, Changing in and out. Who the hell has time to play cards? It's like watching a basketball game because you enjoy the commercials. Going back to my post #337 I'd rather spend an entire day with Harry Lipservice than an hour doing this shoe +2 Wong thing.

In a week, I'd be one of those guys downtown rubbing poop in my hair and wearing my underwear outside my pants. No thank you.

Kew take note: the above from a real bj player describing how the reality of counting two tables simultaneously while playing at one, is nothing at all like the theory. And this....at a casino with the closest tables in the business. Let's see redietz dare take his Lost In Space tape measure here.

So kew....how about you come clean on this issue instead of constantly reducing the validity of the claim as it suffers such irreparable damage in the face of so much simple common sense? I don't even play bj, but it's very obvious how it's not even close to possible, feasible, or sensible to pass such a theory off as being anywhere near real. Ever notice how whenever you try to push the theory that you avoid all details of the obstacles? Even your latest weak try that "when conditions permit" is as phony as you are.

The gig's up, chump.

[redietz]

I'll correct "Rob" one more time, for "Rob's" benefit. I'll say it again, I do not know if kewlJ is a short order cook, a blackjack professional, or Heidi Fleiss's assistant. I do not play blackjack. All I know is that it is visually not terribly difficult to identify cards at adjacent tables. The distances, the majority of the time, do not pose a problem.

This was the argument Mr. Mendelson made in his blurry photo original posts. It is also the claim "Rob Singer" made when inventing his story about speaking with a "casino exec" at empty tables and not being able to see the cards. "Rob" appears to have been lying. If Rob wants to provide the "casino exec's" name and number, I will be glad to call him and meet with him at the Peppermill to verify "Rob's" story.

[Moses]

Rob; My contention is there a far easier ways to make money in a casino. For instance, you're a slot player. Forgive me if I used the wrong terminology. I don't know much about it. But it appears, in this endeavor, you don't have to fuck with a lot of people around you which is good. I tried to picture myself losing $29K in a week in that style of blackjack yesterday and also winning $1 million over the course of 15 years. I'd be a miserable SOB 90% of the time. There is no fun in it. I enjoy the competition. But it's within myself and waiting for the game to come to me.

It seems blackjack rulers invented all these terms, EV, CE, DI, (IV lol). It comes down to one term and that's money. IF I feel the need to accumulate, accelerate, intensify, or solidify EV? I will simply bet $1k more per game which I should be doing anyway. I play higher stake tables when I can but it makes them nervous as hell when I ask them to raise the table limit to $100. Get banned and my "EV" takes a big dump. lol

It amazes me how all these red chippers jump on a plane or drive 4 hours to play at a full table and let casino conditions (whatever they may be) dictate their game. Play maybe 50 days a year and yet have no time to work on or improve their game. Still manage to make $10K or so per year. What a bunch of crap! Their idea of game improvement is to go on some blackjack site talk about the magic of HILO and beat off.

The term Pro is a self professed name they give to themselves. I don't know if I'm a pro or not...and I don't care. All I know is I have to make money. There is no fallback. The difference is they go on vacation to play blackjack. I play blackjack to go on vacation. But I also work my ass off to improve my game. Very few holes in it.

[kewlJ]

Kew take note: the above from a real bj player describing how the reality of counting two tables simultaneously while playing at one, is nothing at all like the theory. And this....at a casino with the closest tables in the business. Let's see redietz dare take his Lost In Space tape measure here.

So kew....how about you come clean on this issue instead of constantly reducing the validity of the claim as it suffers such irreparable damage in the face of so much simple common sense? I don't even play bj, but it's very obvious how it's not even close to possible, feasible, or sensible to pass such a theory off as being anywhere near real. Ever notice how whenever you try to push the theory that you avoid all details of the obstacles? Even your latest weak try that "when conditions permit" is as phony as you are.

The gig's up, chump.

Ok, so Moses shares your (Singer) opinion that tracking multiple tables would be difficult or near impossible and immediately you dub Moses "a real bj player", while dismissing many known successful (some for decades) professional and experienced players that state that they too track a second table when conditions are right to do so.

This list includes:

Schlesinger, renowned blackjack expert, author and player for more than 40 years and a member of the Blackjack hall of Fame.

Munchkin, blackjack expert, player of 30 years, now a professional player, playing with probably the best table game AP alive today and also a member of the BJHF.

Tommy Hyland, 45 year professional player and manager of one of the most successful, if not THE most successful blackjack teams in the world. Much more successful than MIT teams combined. Tommy is also a member of the BJHOF.

Blackjack community member that goes by handle of "bigplayer". Bigplayer s a professional player, has been a member of Hylands team for decades and is also a BJHOF member.

21forme, Longterm professional BJ player known throughout the blackjack community.

And of course myself. That puts me in some pretty successful company. But that is not what this is about. I didn't even know that all these successful known players also tracked multiple tables when I started doing so. I learned after the discussions here. Munchkin I sort of did know. I remember him mentioning it quite some time ago. Did that influence me? Maybe. Probably. Munchkin like other on this list and others not on this list have had quite an influence on my career.

So now Singer will say something retarded like none of these people have proven anything, which is completely untrue. BJHOF members are strongly vetted and have proven beyond any doubt (except by those who refuse to believe anything...conspiracy guys like Singer)their credentials and success. And most of these are BJHOF players.

So moses doesn't believe tracking a second table is possible and aligns himself with Singer. That is fine. Not trying to discredit moses, but he IS THE ANOMOLY here. Moses has access to, plays maybe even specializes in single deck blackjack in Reno. Tracking a second table is NOT a single deck game technique. It is a multi-deck game technique designed to get out of some of the negative counts and replace them with more favorable counts and situations. With single deck, you just play through a round or two negative counts and you will have a new shuffle. No need to track a second game and go table hopping.

[Rob.Singer]

I understand the nuances Moses. It's not hard when it's explained in clear terms. Maybe that's where kew gets it wrong--he tries too hard to paint his picture while tooting his own horn all the time. How else could any sane person describe his penchant for sprinkling in so many "personalized stories" of his supposed private life while at the same time being anonymous?

[kewlJ]

Now Singer, I am going to say this one final time, because everyone, including those that support you knows it. YOU are a fucking joke. On this site and throughout the gambling community. Everyone and I mean EVERYONE knows you area joke and nothing but a troll. Not a single member of the gambling community with even an ounce of mathematical knowledge believes a single word you say. You are a troll, nothing more.


And yeah, there area few other anti-AP guys here that have bonded together supporting one another. Different guys that have anti-AP views for whatever reason. If these people were honest, they don't believe you either. BUT, there is that "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing going on so various people support and enable your trolling and hate agenda. That is all this is. A pathetic old man, maybe successful in life in private business world....maybe not. Who F-ing knows. But what everyone does know is that this bitter old man, lives out his retirement in a RV in his kids driveway, mooching electricity and internet.

I don't know maybe that is a reason to be as bitter and angry as you are. That and the fact that you have lost significant money gambling, because you area gambling addict. So you refuse to take responsibility for your own actions and situation, make up some alternative reality and alternative math bullshit and hatefully attack anyone who is smart and disciplined enough to make any money from the casino industry. And you have found someone in the goofy Dan Druff that continues to provide a platform for this sick agenda. And THAT is all that is going on here.

[MisterV]

So you refuse to take responsibility for your own actions and situation, make up some alternative reality and alternative math bullshit and hatefully attack anyone who is smart and disciplined enough to make any money from the casino industry. And you have found someone in the goofy Dan Druff that continues to provide a platform for this sick agenda. And THAT is all that is going on here.

Singer has posted how much he ENJOYS it when guys like you respond to his trolls.

He'll keep throwing his line in the pond so long as the fish keep biting.

[Rob.Singer]

Kew take note: the above from a real bj player describing how the reality of counting two tables simultaneously while playing at one, is nothing at all like the theory. And this....at a casino with the closest tables in the business. Let's see redietz dare take his Lost In Space tape measure here.

So kew....how about you come clean on this issue instead of constantly reducing the validity of the claim as it suffers such irreparable damage in the face of so much simple common sense? I don't even play bj, but it's very obvious how it's not even close to possible, feasible, or sensible to pass such a theory off as being anywhere near real. Ever notice how whenever you try to push the theory that you avoid all details of the obstacles? Even your latest weak try that "when conditions permit" is as phony as you are.

The gig's up, chump.

Ok, so Moses shares your (Singer) opinion that tracking multiple tables would be difficult or near impossible and immediately you dub Moses "a real bj player", while dismissing many known successful (some for decades) professional and experienced players that state that they too track a second table when conditions are right to do so.

This list includes:

Schlesinger, renowned blackjack expert, author and player for more than 40 years and a member of the Blackjack hall of Fame.

Munchkin, blackjack expert, player of 30 years, now a professional player, playing with probably the best table game AP alive today and also a member of the BJHF.

Tommy Hyland, 45 year professional player and manager of one of the most successful, if not THE most successful blackjack teams in the world. Much more successful than MIT teams combined. Tommy is also a member of the BJHOF.

Blackjack community member that goes by handle of "bigplayer". Bigplayer s a professional player, has been a member of Hylands team for decades and is also a BJHOF member.

21forme, Longterm professional BJ player known throughout the blackjack community.

And of course myself. That puts me in some pretty successful company. But that is not what this is about. I didn't even know that all these successful known players also tracked multiple tables when I started doing so. I learned after the discussions here. Munchkin I sort of did know. I remember him mentioning it quite some time ago. Did that influence me? Maybe. Probably. Munchkin like other on this list and others not on this list have had quite an influence on my career.

So now Singer will say something retarded like none of these people have proven anything, which is completely untrue. BJHOF members are strongly vetted and have proven beyond any doubt (except by those who refuse to believe anything...conspiracy guys like Singer)their credentials and success. And most of these are BJHOF players.

So moses doesn't believe tracking a second table is possible and aligns himself with Singer. That is fine. Not trying to discredit moses, but he IS THE ANOMOLY here. Moses has access to, plays maybe even specializes in single deck blackjack in Reno. Tracking a second table is NOT a single deck game technique. It is a multi-deck game technique designed to get out of some of the negative counts and replace them with more favorable counts and situations. With single deck, you just play through a round or two negative counts and you will have a new shuffle. No need to track a second game and go table hopping.

You must be a wet-dream-come-true to the marketing efforts of Wong.

So now you're touting "BJHOF" as some reliable source? That's like assuming being in the VPFREE HoF actually means something

The gaping holes in your claims come from the fact that you NEVER describe any details of the two-table feat beyond the starting point, you always fail to respond to ANY presentation of facts to the contrary, and you chickened out of doing the end-all in this: proving you can do it with Alan present. All you resort to is whining, evoking other's anonymous names, and telling lie after lie after lie....especially about leaving the forum or blocking people who disagree with you.

So man up and put some mustard on that hot dog.

[kewlJ]

Singer has posted how much he ENJOYS it when guys like you respond to his trolls.

He'll keep throwing his line in the pond so long as the fish keep biting.

Hey he's gotta eat somehow. All he has is that pond to fish and occasional road kill to fry up when his house runs over some critter. It's a shame he is ineligible for food stamps since he was caught in that welfare fraud deal. What a stupid fuck he is.

[Moses]

So moses doesn't believe tracking a second table is possible and aligns himself with Singer. That is fine. Not trying to discredit moses, but he IS THE ANOMOLY here. Moses has access to, plays maybe even specializes in single deck blackjack in Reno. Tracking a second table is NOT a single deck game technique. It is a multi-deck game technique designed to get out of some of the negative counts and replace them with more favorable counts and situations. With single deck, you just play through a round or two negative counts and you will have a new shuffle. No need to track a second game and go table hopping.

I just report what I saw. In order to Wong in or play two tables your game depends on the idiosyncrasy of so many other players. I wanted to whop a pop not on a couple of heads. It's 13 vs 10 for crissake, HIT. Why are you sitting there? O shit, 3 players tucked, what's happening on the other table. Why did that asshole tuck a 14? O shit, they picked up the cards at the other table and I didn't see the tucked cards. Where they 7,8,9s which aren't counted or 10,A which are counted? I don't need to be in the HOF to know my mind feels like spaghetti.

If I'm on the end, I cannot see the other table. If I'm in the middle, my head is constantly turning back and forth. If I'm standing behind watching two tables, my head is going side to side and the pit is watching me after about two minutes. Like WTF are you doing? A large person sits down to play and half the table goes blank. O crap I've totally lost count on both tables. Waitress is serving drinks YIPPEE. Let's wait another 5 minutes for the next shoe to begin. What a helluva way to have to make a living!

[kewlJ]

You must be a wet-dream-come-true to the marketing efforts of Wong.

So now you're touting "BJHOF" as some reliable source? That's like assuming being in the VPFREE HoF actually means something

The gaping holes in your claims come from the fact that you NEVER describe any details of the two-table feat beyond the starting point, you always fail to respond to ANY presentation of facts to the contrary, and you chickened out of doing the end-all in this: proving you can do it with Alan present. All you resort to is whining, evoking other's anonymous names, and telling lie after lie after lie....especially about leaving the forum or blocking people who disagree with you.

So man up and put some mustard on that hot dog.

Why would I prove anything to Alan....a broken down has been journalist turned shyster/conman? Is proving anything to Alan going to pay my bills? I prove it almost on a daily basis, making money to support myself comfortably.

AND, the people I mentioned that have stated they also track multiple tables are not anonymous. Several use their real names. And those that don't are well known throughout the BJ community.

What a stupid fuck you continue to be. Seriously are you retarded?

[The Boz]

No he just did exactly what V said above. He fucked with you, you continue to fall for it, and he gets off on it.

[Rob.Singer]

Ok, so Moses shares your (Singer) opinion that tracking multiple tables would be difficult or near impossible and immediately you dub Moses "a real bj player", while dismissing many known successful (some for decades) professional and experienced players that state that they too track a second table when conditions are right to do so.

This list includes:

Schlesinger, renowned blackjack expert, author and player for more than 40 years and a member of the Blackjack hall of Fame.

Munchkin, blackjack expert, player of 30 years, now a professional player, playing with probably the best table game AP alive today and also a member of the BJHF.

Tommy Hyland, 45 year professional player and manager of one of the most successful, if not THE most successful blackjack teams in the world. Much more successful than MIT teams combined. Tommy is also a member of the BJHOF.

Blackjack community member that goes by handle of "bigplayer". Bigplayer s a professional player, has been a member of Hylands team for decades and is also a BJHOF member.

21forme, Longterm professional BJ player known throughout the blackjack community.

And of course myself. That puts me in some pretty successful company. But that is not what this is about. I didn't even know that all these successful known players also tracked multiple tables when I started doing so. I learned after the discussions here. Munchkin I sort of did know. I remember him mentioning it quite some time ago. Did that influence me? Maybe. Probably. Munchkin like other on this list and others not on this list have had quite an influence on my career.

So now Singer will say something retarded like none of these people have proven anything, which is completely untrue. BJHOF members are strongly vetted and have proven beyond any doubt (except by those who refuse to believe anything...conspiracy guys like Singer)their credentials and success. And most of these are BJHOF players.

So moses doesn't believe tracking a second table is possible and aligns himself with Singer. That is fine. Not trying to discredit moses, but he IS THE ANOMOLY here. Moses has access to, plays maybe even specializes in single deck blackjack in Reno. Tracking a second table is NOT a single deck game technique. It is a multi-deck game technique designed to get out of some of the negative counts and replace them with more favorable counts and situations. With single deck, you just play through a round or two negative counts and you will have a new shuffle. No need to track a second game and go table hopping.

You must be a wet-dream-come-true to the marketing efforts of Wong.

So now you're touting "BJHOF" as some reliable source? That's like assuming being in the VPFREE HoF actually means something

The gaping holes in your claims come from the fact that you NEVER describe any details of the two-table feat beyond the starting point, you always fail to respond to ANY presentation of facts to the contrary, and you chickened out of doing the end-all in this: proving you can do it with Alan present. All you resort to is whining, evoking other's anonymous names, and telling lie after lie after lie....especially about leaving the forum or blocking people who disagree with you.

So man up and put some mustard on that hot dog.

Why would I prove anything to Alan....a broken down has been journalist turned shyster/conman? Is proving anything to Alan going to pay my bills? I prove it almost on a daily basis, making money to support myself comfortably.

AND, the people I mentioned that have stated they also track multiple tables are not anonymous. Several use their real names. And those that don't are well known throughout the BJ community.

What a stupid fuck you continue to be. Seriously are you retarded?

All you've ever proven is how insecure you are about everything, and what a degenerate gambler you are. Remember, no true "AP" would ever float around on internet gaming forums talking all the silly smack you do. You have no brains kew. You're one of the fools here who either says they go to casinos almost every day, or wishes they were in casinos all the time. mickey does that also. Think about it.

[Rob.Singer]

No he just did exactly what V said above. He fucked with you, you continue to fall for it, and he gets off on it.

Now THERE'S a post.

The weaker they are, the more disgusting they are, and the more I'll come after them. Especially a total phony like kew.

[kewlJ]

So moses doesn't believe tracking a second table is possible and aligns himself with Singer. That is fine. Not trying to discredit moses, but he IS THE ANOMOLY here. Moses has access to, plays maybe even specializes in single deck blackjack in Reno. Tracking a second table is NOT a single deck game technique. It is a multi-deck game technique designed to get out of some of the negative counts and replace them with more favorable counts and situations. With single deck, you just play through a round or two negative counts and you will have a new shuffle. No need to track a second game and go table hopping.

I just report what I saw. In order to Wong in or play two tables your game depends on the idiosyncrasy of so many other players. I wanted to whop a pop not on a couple of heads. It's 13 vs 10 for crissake, HIT. Why are you sitting there? O shit, 3 players tucked, what's happening on the other table. Why did that asshole tuck a 14? O shit, they picked up the cards at the other table and I didn't see the tucked cards. Where they 7,8,9s which aren't counted or 10,A which are counted? I don't need to be in the HOF to know my mind feels like spaghetti.

If I'm on the end, I cannot see the other table. If I'm in the middle, my head is constantly turning back and forth. If I'm standing behind watching two tables, my head is going side to side and the pit is watching me after about two minutes. Like WTF are you doing? A large person sits down to play and half the table goes blank. O crap I've totally lost count on both tables. Waitress is serving drinks YIPPEE. Let's wait another 5 minutes for the next shoe to begin. What a helluva way to have to make a living!

Yep that's right. here is another difference in the single deck game that moses plays and the shoe games that I am 99% of the world plays. WE get to see all the cards face up. Ya think that might help in tracking a second table?

Moses, you weren't here for these discussions. I said "I track a second table when condition are right to do so" Not every time I play. If a table is full, I often can not. Actually I detailed where I sit and how that enables me to fairly easily see the next table and I stated that there was one "key" seat at each table that if occupied, most likely prevents me from seeing enough cards to successfully track a second table. (if you are interested those seats would be second from the left on the table to my right or next to 3rd base, and second from the right on a table to my left, next to first base).

But whatever.

[Moses]

Why would I prove anything to Alan....a broken down has been journalist turned shyster/conman? :

Then again. Why not? I've won a lot of beers and meals on challenges in counting people said I couldn't do. What do you have to lose?

That's why I'd loved to play Bill Fung and others. Let them be the house. I can count out loud and not get 86ed. Hey, I might lose. But wouldn't that be heaven? Heck, I'm go to go play anyway, only with restrictions.

[kewlJ]

You're one of the fools here who either says they go to casinos almost every day, or wishes they were in casinos all the time. mickey does that also. Think about it.

Not everyday, but yep...300+ days a year...because I am a professional AP. I play with an advantage, in my case a very slim advantage, so I play a lot. That is known as a grinder. And is near as I can tell, Mickey is a bit of a grinder as well, although his expertise is machines, where my knowledge is blackjack, so yep, there are similarities.

And I am in good company, because anyone with half a brain knows mickeycrimm is a real legitimate AP. And the same is true for me You know my saying. "Doesn't take that much to figure out". Well anyone with half a brain knows that I know what I am talking about and that you are just talking. I mean, some people may not like me, for a variety of reasons, so they engage in your agenda of hate, trolling and attempting to discredit. But they know. Just the same as everyone knows the truth about you, a pathetic loser.


I could do this all day. Except I do have to go to work. I have some plays I have to execute before November runs out.

[Alan Mendelson]

I'll correct "Rob" one more time, for "Rob's" benefit. I'll say it again, I do not know if kewlJ is a short order cook, a blackjack professional, or Heidi Fleiss's assistant. I do not play blackjack. All I know is that it is visually not terribly difficult to identify cards at adjacent tables. The distances, the majority of the time, do not pose a problem.

This was the argument Mr. Mendelson made in his blurry photo original posts. It is also the claim "Rob Singer" made when inventing his story about speaking with a "casino exec" at empty tables and not being able to see the cards. "Rob" appears to have been lying. If Rob wants to provide the "casino exec's" name and number, I will be glad to call him and meet with him at the Peppermill to verify "Rob's" story.

No, it wasn't my only argument when I posted the blurry photos. The photos were used to show how the tables at that casino were in a straight line, and since they were in a straight line when sitting in the middle seat it would take a significant head turn to see what was going on at a nearby table. The photos also illustrated how just one other player could block the view. The photo also illustrated the angle of view as I held the camera at my eye level.

With an unobstructed view and without time constraints anyone could see the cards on the next table. That was never an issue, redietz. Moses has now reported on what happens during actual play conditions and that's the issue.

REDIETZ YOU ARE CORRECT THAT ANYBODY can see open cards at a nearby table if there are no obstructions or play to interfere. But kewlj has confirmed that during play there are obstructions that reduce his ability to count cards.

Thanks Moses for your contribution.

The horse is still dead.

[Moses]

Yep that's right. here is another difference in the single deck game that moses plays and the shoe games that I am 99% of the world plays. WE get to see all the cards face up. Ya think that might help in tracking a second table?

Moses, you weren't here for these discussions. I said "I track a second table when condition are right to do so" Not every time I play. If a table is full, I often can not. Actually I detailed where I sit and how that enables me to fairly easily see the next table and I stated that there was one "key" seat at each table that if occupied, most likely prevents me from seeing enough cards to successfully track a second table. (if you are interested those seats would be second from the left on the table to my right or next to 3rd base, and second from the right on a table to my left, next to first base).

But whatever.

Some of the places dealt shoes face up GSR and Silver Legacy. BTW, SL is a good spot for you if you're ever in the area. But only on weekends. I was straining like hell to see and only two players were playing just the one table. I stood at the adjacent empty table and pretended I was watching/getting scores on the TV above. Others went face down. But I was still one fat ass away from a 1/2 a table going blank no matter where I sat. In most places, it was too far for me to see anything. In Pmill, 8s looked like 6s vice versa from a distance.

So if Wong and 2nd table are only a small part of your game. What do you do the rest of the time? Play all the way through a shoe or start a shoe and exit at a certain negative point? I can see how you could do that in Vegas and probably get in one helluva workout in a day. But how is the guy doing it in Bumfuck Iowa?