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  1. #21
    Hi, Bill. How are you?

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by OneHitWonder View Post
    Hi, Bill. How are you?
    Great, yourself?
    Last edited by Biloxi Bill; 12-12-2017 at 05:25 PM.

  3. #23
    Hanging in there. Killing some time. I wonder if this trolling, just talking like this.

  4. #24
    Biloxi you're right. I don't give a damn if he can do it. Because what he claims to do -- a partial count -- is no better than a wannabe dice controller saying he sometimes can influence the dice. It's all bullshit.

    But why do you all care so much that I saw a random shooter roll 18 yos in a row?

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    But why do you all care so much that I saw a random shooter roll 18 yos in a row?
    It's a matter of your CREDIBILITY, Alan.

    You've trumpeted for years that you were a reporter, which by implication anyway means you hold yourself to a high standard of truth and honesty.


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  6. #26
    Well sadly, this thread went just about how I expected. The anti-AP guys refuse to deal in reality. Their jealousy or bitterness towards people that are disciplined enough to make money from casinos, when they can't, has never been more apparent. They are living in their own alternative reality. These guys, the three of them, Alan, coach belly, and OneHitWonder are complete trolls consumed by some sort of weird bitterness. They all go about their trolling in a nasty, sneaky and dishonest manner.

    Alan is the worst of them. He plays everyone! And here today Alan has demonstrated that on top of everything else, he is not man enough to admit when he is wrong. I am not the least bit surprised from a person that has demonstrated dishonest "shyster" qualities my entire time on this site. Your parents failed you big time Alan. And you are without a doubt the worst and most dishonest journalist, I have run across. You apparently have no idea what it means to be a journalist. But you define "shyster"!

    From this moment forward, I will not be engaging any of these three trolls. I will not empower them any longer. All 3 have proven to be mental patients, sitting in the corner, playing in their own feces, babbling to themselves....completely detached and unaware of the real world.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 12-12-2017 at 06:48 PM.

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by OneHitWonder View Post
    Much recent neuroscience research tells us that the brain doesn’t really do tasks simultaneously, as we thought (hoped) it might. In fact, we just switch tasks quickly. Each time we move from hearing music to writing a text or talking to someone, there is a stop/start process that goes on in the brain.

    That start/stop/start process is rough on us: rather than saving time, it costs time (even very small micro seconds), it’s less efficient, we make more mistakes, and over time it can be energy sapping.
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...h-multitasking

    BTW, your turn.


    P.S. Crickets?

    You gotta be kidding me, OneHit. A Psychology Today article. Good Lord, man.

    First off, I agree with the article. I have always argued against attempting two tasks at once. I do not see how attending to verbal cues (as with a television that's on) can not interfere with whatever you're doing.

    But c'mon, man, it's one Psych Today article. I agree with it, but I wouldn't be naive enough to quote it as supporting my argument. I have lunch with a neuroscientist most weeks. He'd lambaste me for using this as a source.

    And furthermore, what the blackjack counters are talking about isn't really multi-tasking. It's parallel same tasking, which I understand slows things down (I did take cognitive psych as an undergrad -- did you?), but it's not really the same thing. I can watch five football games simultaneously and keep track of down and distance, approximate stats of all kinds, the chronology of the games, and so on. I used to be able to do it for eight games, but hurry up offenses have crippled me. Anyway, that's parallel tracking, which is what these guys are doing. If I try to, say, write an essay on dumbness while watching the five games, that's multi-tasking. That'll mess me up.

    Cite better sources, and at least get the analogies close. Geez Louise.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by OneHitWonder View Post
    Much recent neuroscience research tells us that the brain doesn’t really do tasks simultaneously, as we thought (hoped) it might. In fact, we just switch tasks quickly. Each time we move from hearing music to writing a text or talking to someone, there is a stop/start process that goes on in the brain.

    That start/stop/start process is rough on us: rather than saving time, it costs time (even very small micro seconds), it’s less efficient, we make more mistakes, and over time it can be energy sapping.
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...h-multitasking

    BTW, your turn.


    P.S. Crickets?

    You gotta be kidding me, OneHit. A Psychology Today article. Good Lord, man.

    First off, I agree with the article. I have always argued against attempting two tasks at once. I do not see how attending to verbal cues (as with a television that's on) can not interfere with whatever you're doing.

    But c'mon, man, it's one Psych Today article. I agree with it, but I wouldn't be naive enough to quote it as supporting my argument. I have lunch with a neuroscientist most weeks. He'd lambaste me for using this as a source.

    And furthermore, what the blackjack counters are talking about isn't really multi-tasking. It's parallel same tasking, which I understand slows things down (I did take cognitive psych as an undergrad -- did you?), but it's not really the same thing. I can watch five football games simultaneously and keep track of down and distance, approximate stats of all kinds, the chronology of the games, and so on. I used to be able to do it for eight games, but hurry up offenses have crippled me. Anyway, that's parallel tracking, which is what these guys are doing. If I try to, say, write an essay on dumbness while watching the five games, that's multi-tasking. That'll mess me up.

    Cite better sources, and at least get the analogies close. Geez Louise.
    Ha, it's still your turn. I don't see any articles in defence of what you claim should be easy (and then profitable.) For starters, what do they call this blackjack maneuver of spying on other tables? Such a tried and true approach to doing nothing must have an important sounding name?

    You might want to read kewlj's last post. It will help you with that essay on dumbness. You'll need all the help you can get.

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Well sadly, this thread went just about how I expected. The anti-AP guys refuse to deal in reality. Their jealousy or bitterness towards people that are disciplined enough to make money from casinos, when they can't, has never been more apparent. They are living in their own alternative reality. These guys, the three of them, Alan, coach belly, and OneHitWonder are complete trolls consumed by some sort of weird bitterness. They all go about their trolling in a nasty, sneaky and dishonest manner.

    Alan is the worst of them. He plays everyone! And here today Alan has demonstrated that on top of everything else, he is not man enough to admit when he is wrong. I am not the least bit surprised from a person that has demonstrated dishonest "shyster" qualities my entire time on this site. Your parents failed you big time Alan. And you are without a doubt the worst and most dishonest journalist, I have run across. You apparently have no idea what it means to be a journalist. But you define "shyster"!

    From this moment forward, I will not be engaging any of these three trolls. I will not empower them any longer. All 3 have proven to be mental patients, sitting in the corner, playing in their own feces, babbling to themselves....completely detached and unaware of the real world.
    Give it up, man. For the sake of what's left of your health.

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I'm waiting for someone to claim they can count four tables.
    It's clear that we have more than one person willing to claim that they can count a second table while playing a first,
    but less than one person willing to demonstrate that ability.
    Very true.

    At least the wannabe DIs are willing to demonstrate (even if they can't do it).
    Because they have nothing to lose and everything to sell.



    And it's fairly easy to set dice and toss them down the table, especially when most of the casinos couldn't care less.

    Can you tell us what would satisfy you and what criteria you have when you say, "workable count"?

    How far off the count would be acceptable? How much value would it have to add? How much did KJ say this added to his hourly or whatever? I think we need not to get off the main point of this. Can someone get a better theoretical hourly while tracking 2 tables, Yes or no?

    I think this could be set up, however, I don't want some after the fact BS about how it's not good enough so you can weasel out of admitting you were wrong. Even then, I have a feeling unless KJ does it, you will not accept that he can do it just by his word alone.

    I think you should make it interesting and worthwhile for someone to prove and put up a wager. Assuming your criteria is fair, I'm willing to put up a "blind" wager now, saying it can be done. By that I mean, once there's someone willing to demonstrate, someone I THINK is capable. Once they demonstrate, the bet it on. I will not have watched the person in advance to confirm they can.

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I can watch five football games simultaneously and keep track of down and distance, approximate stats of all kinds, the chronology of the games, and so on. I used to be able to do it for eight games
    Why did you, or would you, do that?

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I think you should make it interesting and worthwhile for someone to prove and put up a wager. Assuming your criteria is fair, I'm willing to put up a "blind" wager now, saying it can be done. By that I mean, once there's someone willing to demonstrate, someone I THINK is capable. Once they demonstrate, the bet it on. I will not have watched the person in advance to confirm they can.
    I'm interested in this. I'm sure we can work through the criteria to agree on fairness.

    There will be many conditions to agree on, so best to take them a couple or few at a time.

    Would it be fair to require that the demo take place under real conditions, in a casino under typical playing conditions for the counter?

    And, it doesn't have to take place in Montana...right?

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post

    Can you tell us what would satisfy you and what criteria you have when you say, "workable count"?

    How far off the count would be acceptable? How much value would it have to add? How much did KJ say this added to his hourly or whatever? I think we need not to get off the main point of this. Can someone get a better theoretical hourly while tracking 2 tables, Yes or no?

    I think this could be set up, however, I don't want some after the fact BS about how it's not good enough so you can weasel out of admitting you were wrong. Even then, I have a feeling unless KJ does it, you will not accept that he can do it just by his word alone.

    I think you should make it interesting and worthwhile for someone to prove and put up a wager. Assuming your criteria is fair, I'm willing to put up a "blind" wager now, saying it can be done. By that I mean, once there's someone willing to demonstrate, someone I THINK is capable. Once they demonstrate, the bet it on. I will not have watched the person in advance to confirm they can.
    I won't be participating. I think you know me well enough Axel, to know that I would never put myself, career and livelihood in any kind of jeopardy for something like this. To satisfy some troll on the internet, who by the way will not be satisfied no matter what.

    You asking these questions and having these thoughts about "after the fact BS", means that you KNOW exactly how this would play out. The "shyster" would manipulate, change facts, and refuse to acknowledge what is clear to everyone else. Hell that is already exactly what has occurred. I will not be a part of this shyster's manipulations, dishonesty and trolling any longer. I just won't. You all can continue to look the other way and give this crazy man a platform and empower him if you want....I won't! 18 y.o.'s in a row. That should have been the line. We are WAY past that now. Crazy....Crazy....Crazy!

  14. #34
    Hey, Alan was here long before you, KewlJ: show him the respect he deserves.

    True, he sold the site for eighteen pieces of silver; I wonder whether, like the wiz, the terms of sale require that he continue to post the same shit as before, to keep the pot stirred.
    What, Me Worry?

  15. #35
    I think I have showed Alan respect, MrV. I tolerated him far longer than I should have.

    Let me remind you of a few things.

    I said I can track two tables...when the conditions are right and describe how in some detail, involving sitting in center seat.
    Alan's first response, he runs out at 3am and take blurry pictures and NOT from one of the center seats, from 1st base, meaning if you were sitting at First base your back would be to the table behind you. THAT is NOT what I said. I said center seat or one of two center seats.

    Alan's next response is he runs out a second time and takes a picture of a completely full table. I clearly said "when conditions are right" and elaborated that with crowded conditions, you would not be able to track a second table. So that is two strikes. NOT misunderstandings, mind you, but intentional manipulation and dishonesty.

    Early on Alan believing that what I was saying was not possible, threw it open to other counters, asking if anyone else has tracked a second table. RS, stated that he had. Not something he does regularly....He doesn't even play BJ regularly anymore, but he stated he has done this at times. Alan completely ignored the fact that RS had even responded....Just ignored him, because it wasn't what he wanted to hear.

    I'll be honest, I wish a few more BJ players would have spoken up, but let's face it, this site has very limited members and only a couple are experienced BJ player that would have engaged in this kind of technique.

    So, Next, Axelwolf suggests we pose the question To Richard Munchkin. I was hesitant at first. That's why I waited a bit. I knew Richards reply would be exactly what it was. BUT, I also knew the anti-AP guys, including Alan would then dismiss Richard as irrelevant, refuse to accept him....which is exactly what occurred. RICHARD MUNCHKIN IS AN EXPERT. He is a long-time very experienced BJ advantage player. Not always supporting himself from AP, but he has for the last decade. What makes Munchkin an expert on this topic is not only his own experience and expertise, but he interviewed numerous TOP, well know professional blackjack players in his book, Gambling Wizards.

    When Munchkin says, This is a common technique that many, many experienced players have employed for 40 years, it is beyond contestation, because of his qualifications. For Alan and the two other idiots, OHW and coach belly, to dismiss Munchkin, and continue on with there attempt to smear and discredit me....and that is what this is...make no mistake about it, is now way over the line for me. So, NO, I am done showing any respect to Alan. I did so for far longer than he deserved. He is trolling and dishonestly playing me and all of you. I will not empower him any longer by even acknowledging him as anything but a complete lunatic shyster with an anti-AP agenda because of some sort of jealousy or bitterness that he loses.

    Edit: and lastly....let's not forget 18 y.o.'s in a row. Because as YOU stated....that goes directly to the credibility of Alan. This guy is full of shit! I don't care if it is the first night of Hanukkah, I can no longer look the other way with this clown.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 12-12-2017 at 09:22 PM.

  16. #36
    And one other thing. In this very thread Alan referred to me as a "kid". He went on to say "what is he 23"? THAT is just another case of Alan trying to belittle and discredit me. EVERYTHING he says and does is an attempt to discredit me and the other AP's on this site.

    I am in my mid 30's and ending my 14th year of professional blackjack play. My last paycheck working for someone else was march of 2004. I have supported myself from blackjack and AP play for 14 years. I am sorry if Alan or the other AP haters have a problem with that FACT.

    If Alan wants to make age an issue....let's go there. I think he is well on his way to dementia and complete detachment from reality.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 12-13-2017 at 12:00 AM.

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    For Alan and the two other idiots, OHW and coach belly, to dismiss Munchkin
    Another idiot who dares to dismiss Munchkin


    JSTAT on casinos, poker, and blackjack/baccarat card counting without charge. Saying what needs to said at https://twitter.com/Casino_Examiner

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by JSTAT View Post
    Another idiot who dares to dismiss Munchkin
    I want it on record that it was you who described yourself as an idiot, not me.

    I am not going to say too much about you baccarat card counting thing because I don't play baccarat or know anything about it. I don't even know how to play.

    BUT. I do know that much like with blackjack what some 5 years ago, you have claims involving a count you have named after yourself that almost every other math AP disputes. It was that way 5 years ago with your JStat count and blackjack. Almost every single math blackjack guy disputed what you were claiming.

    Now in this little clip, and I am not a fan of your self serving clips, you have Munchkin and by proxy, Ed Thorpe disputing your claims. That is some experienced math guys. So lets start with you telling us how much you have made both playing blackjack and baccarat using this Jstat count that only you think is beneficial. If the heavyweight gambling math guys are all wrong....how much have you made. We need to know that to start the conversation.

    And BTW, I would have preferred you started your own conversation about this topic instead of hijacking mine, but what's done is done. Give us a profit number that you have made when all the math guys say you can't.

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by JSTAT View Post
    Another idiot who dares to dismiss Munchkin
    I want it on record that it was you who described yourself as an idiot, not me.

    I am not going to say too much about you baccarat card counting thing because I don't play baccarat or know anything about it. I don't even know how to play.

    BUT. I do know that much like with blackjack what some 5 years ago, you have claims involving a count you have named after yourself that almost every other math AP disputes. It was that way 5 years ago with your JStat count and blackjack. Almost every single math blackjack guy disputed what you were claiming.

    Now in this little clip, and I am not a fan of your self serving clips, you have Munchkin and by proxy, Ed Thorpe disputing your claims. That is some experienced math guys. So lets start with you telling us how much you have made both playing blackjack and baccarat using this Jstat count that only you think is beneficial. If the heavyweight gambling math guys are all wrong....how much have you made. We need to know that to start the conversation.

    And BTW, I would have preferred you started your own conversation about this topic instead of hijacking mine, but what's done is done. Give us a profit number that you have made when all the math guys say you can't.
    I've challenged Richard Munchkin, Anthony Curtis, Norman Wattenberger and others to debate, but these gatekeepers for the casino industry refuse to do it! Check my Twitter timeline to confirm this. Also my video below made in 2009 challenges Hi-Lo Count developer Julian Braun for not including the 7,8,9's in his computer simulation analysis of Harvey Dubner's discovery in Ed Thorp's "Beat The Dealer" in the 1966 revision. This mistake inspired me to side count the 8's and 9's which also helps the Hi-Lo Count player. The dealer will bust more often and our double downs on 10/11 will improve with an excess of them. The original "Beat the Dealer" (1962) was damn good and provided blackjack card counting advantage plays in the entire book. The casinos panicked and Thorp likely sold out to the casinos by providing a losing count in the 1966 revision.


    JSTAT on casinos, poker, and blackjack/baccarat card counting without charge. Saying what needs to said at https://twitter.com/Casino_Examiner

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by JSTAT View Post
    I've challenged Richard Munchkin, Anthony Curtis, Norman Wattenberger and others to debate, but these gatekeepers for the casino industry refuse to do it! Check my Twitter timeline to confirm this. Also my video below made in 2009 challenges Hi-Lo Count developer Julian Braun for not including the 7,8,9's in his computer simulation analysis of Harvey Dubner's discovery in Ed Thorp's "Beat The Dealer" in the 1966 revision. This mistake inspired me to side count the 8's and 9's which also helps the Hi-Lo Count player. The dealer will bust more often and our double downs on 10/11 will improve with an excess of them. The original "Beat the Dealer" (1962) was damn good and provided blackjack card counting advantage plays in the entire book. The casinos panicked and Thorp likely sold out to the casinos by providing a losing count in the 1966 revision.
    Jstat, you didn't answer the question? All you did was re-hash things you said 5 years ago, a couple that I will address. 1.) Hi-lo is 2-6 vs 10 value and aces. By definition, you can't side count anything and still have it be hi-lo. Once you start including 7,8,9 you are getting into a different count. There are like a hundred different counts, if you want something that incorporates 7,8,9, then pick that. If you are talking hi-lo that is 2-6 vs 10 value & ace....PERIOD. You CANNOT altar that.

    Again, Munchkin, Curtis, Wattenberger and Thorpe by proxy of mention in the Munchkin video, all are disputing what you are saying. I am not a math guy, I depend on others who are and I have never known any of these guys to steer me wrong concerning math. Norm Wattenberger and I had a two+ year feud involving the way he ran his forum that turned into personal stuff, but even that I have put behind me and moved on from. But I never questioned any of Norms math (or his software). Mathematically, Norm and the others mentioned are top of their field. If you are telling us that all of them are wrong and you re right, you have to provide details as to what you are talking about and that has to begin with you stating what you have made both from both blackjack and baccarat.

    I am not asking you to show proof of what you made. But you have to start by telling what you have made. If they say you don't have an advantage and you have made a substantial amount.....TELL us. That has to be the starting point. Don't just keep posting video, supporting your agenda.

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