Tracking multiple BJ tables - Richard Munchkin

[AxelWolf]

I think you should make it interesting and worthwhile for someone to prove and put up a wager. Assuming your criteria is fair, I'm willing to put up a "blind" wager now, saying it can be done. By that I mean, once there's someone willing to demonstrate, someone I THINK is capable. Once they demonstrate, the bet it on. I will not have watched the person in advance to confirm they can.

I'm interested in this. I'm sure we can work through the criteria to agree on fairness.

There will be many conditions to agree on, so best to take them a couple or few at a time.

Would it be fair to require that the demo take place under real conditions, in a casino under typical playing conditions for the counter?

And, it doesn't have to take place in Montana...right?

The problem I see with a live casino setting. There is no practical way to do it IMO. I have no doubt we can come up with all kinds of ways it CAN be done, but I just don't see that happening unless there is some serious money involved. You need others standing around counting both tables. Who will verify their count?

A dealer school might work well since we can count down the deck after. Even then, now we get into all the BS with someone having an issue with how the tables are set up. Someone will claim you can't turn your head like that in a real casino without catching heat. Who knows what somome will come up with, especially when there's money on the line.

Tell me what you don't think is possible? I think someone can track 2 tables enough so that they know they should move from their table or stay and still maintain a theoretical advantage.

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As for you last little dig on MC. It was obvious to me he was talking about a single line machine(is that what you are referring to?)

Unless it's a bar bet or something like that. I would call foul on anything that exploited a technicality. When a statement is made, and that statement is challenged, the point of the challenge is to prove or disprove what the person meant. It's not to change everything up, twist shit, and make it over complicated.

How many times have we seen someone make some statement like.... The system player says, "I can predict heads or tails 75% of the time."

The AP says, "BS."

The System player says, "I can prove it"

AP says, "OK, I will bet you even money you can't even predict heads or tails 65% of the time."

The system player says, "I need odds."

It goes back and forth until the AP has a small advantage, but it does nothing to prove the system players original statement.

Then the system player wants his airfare paid and he can only do it on the 29th of February or some shit.

[redietz]

I said that looking at two tables directly in front of you and counting didn't seem terribly difficult. I didn't say anything about two tables in a casino at a distance. That seems significantly tougher, which is why I said I was taking my handy tape measure along and asking an expert about the visual acuity required.

Meanwhile, what are you gonna do, OneHit? Look up more Psych Today articles that don't really refer to what's being discussed?

[OneHitWonder]

Meanwhile, what are you gonna do, OneHit? Look up more Psych Today articles that don't really refer to what's being discussed?

I didn't look for it. It was the first one on the list that said that going back and forth between activities is worse than doing one at a time. I could have looked for one that goes on to say that that it's easier to do a different task at the same time, but, this site is not an academic site.


P.S. Psych Today would be a good starting place for kewlj. A screw loose.

[mickeycrimm]

[QUOTE=OneHitWonder;56126]

Give it up, man. For the sake of what's left of your health.

Lead by example, troll punk. Give up the constant snide remarks to people. I personally don't think you can do it though. You have classic Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

[coach belly]

The problem I see with a live casino setting. There is no practical way to do it IMO. I have no doubt we can come up with all kinds of ways it CAN be done, but I just don't see that happening unless there is some serious money involved. You need others standing around counting both tables. Who will verify their count?

I envision something like this...we station a player at each table, who will count and flat bet the minimum.

They will verify the count after the demo, the demonstrator will play mid-table and do his thing.

Wouldn't this be practical?

We don't need a bunch of people standing around counting, the demo player doesn't even have to know who the plant are.
How would this scenario be any more risky than how the demo player would normally be playing anyway.

If we have players claiming that they can play at one table and count a second table under live casino conditions,
then the demonstration needs to be under live casino conditions, otherwise it amounts to practice...don't you agree?

Tell me what you don't think is possible?

I'm skeptical that a player can play one table, count a second table, change tables when favorable, and not get "made" by the pit.

I don't think it's impossible, but I am interested in seeing the skill demonstrated.

I just have my doubts, and that's why I'm willing to wager against it.

[coach belly]

As for you last little dig on MC. It was obvious to me he was talking about a single line machine(is that what you are referring to?)

My point was that members make challenges, then place conditions that make the challenge impractical to complete.

Requiring all play to be in Montana was among the add-on impractical conditions.

No it wasn't obvious to me that he meant a single-line machine, he only specified a certain payback percentage threshold.

If the threshold is met, then why would I expect multi-line games be excluded?

Playing a million hands on single-line machine would be so impractical, that it was obvious to me that he could not have meant that.

Now it turns out the wormm has other motives for requiring his challenges to be in Montana, it's so he can carry a concealed weapon.

But that is now water under the bridge, I was just making sure that Montana wasn't required for our exercise...is it?

[OneHitWonder]

Give it up, man. For the sake of what's left of your health.

Lead by example, troll punk. Give up the constant snide remarks to people. I personally don't think you can do it though. You have classic Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Yeah, sure. But there are lots of good things about being somewhat narcissistic, too. I tend to keep my (otherwise totally unfounded) claims of a million dollars made so far at trying to card count blackjack for a few minutes every day to evade detection, $500 a day for sure at slots from 6 am to 12 am somewhere in Montana, and near perfect record at one or two of likely hundreds of sports contests a year all to myself. It's easier for me to shoot my own shit, and believe it at the same time.


P.S. Years ago, when all the casino games were more popular, a lot of baccarat authors would play meaningless tournaments until they won one or two, and then set out with the books.

[Alan Mendelson]

Kewlj and everyone else. NO picture was taken from first base. The photos were taken from a middle position.

I invite all of you to simply do this: go to the blackjack pit of your choice and sit at a middle seat. Then see for yourself if you can read the cards being dealt at the next table. Report back.

Easy peasey.

[kewlJ]

Kewlj and everyone else. NO picture was taken from first base. The photos were taken from a middle position.

You are a liar, Alan! This picture is taken from 1st base. 1st base is back to back with 3rd base from the next table, which is the seat in the forefront. There is NO possible way that the 3rd base seat would be in the fore front at a straight away shot UNLESS you were standing at the first base seat at the next table.

[OneHitWonder]

Here's a quick Google of "counting two blackjack tables at once". I got two hits. Excuse me if someone has already done this.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...ables-at-once/

https://www.blackjackinfo.com/commun...-at-once.4508/

Not much if anything. Sonny and I had our run-ins over there. Some guy to promote the site, I think. He ran the "voodoo section" about betting progressions, X-ray glasses and the like.


P.S. I was going to make a joke about using the reflection off the camera lenses, earlier, but the mirrored ceilings will do fine.

[kewlJ]

Sonny and I had our run-ins over there. Some guy to promote the site, I think. He ran the "voodoo section" about betting progressions, X-ray glasses and the like.

What are you TALKING About...voodoo section and xray glasses? Some guy to promote the site? Sonny was a moderator at blackjackinfo. He was chosen to be a moderator because of who he is/was, a long-time, well known professional blackjack player, who played on several, well known, high profile teams.

Add Sonny, a well know, highly respected, long-time professional blackjack player to the list of Richard Munchkin and James Grosjean, two professional AP's and both members of the Blackjack Hall of Fame, that you are now attempting to discredit. You obviously have some sort of axe to grind with any and all successful blackjack players. You have been going after me for a while, and now going after every well known successful BJ player you can think of.

You are one bitter, angry, sick dude. How did you fucking alternative reality assholes all find each other and this site?

[redietz]

Give it up, man. For the sake of what's left of your health.

Lead by example, troll punk. Give up the constant snide remarks to people. I personally don't think you can do it though. You have classic Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Yeah, sure. But there are lots of good things about being somewhat narcissistic, too. I tend to keep my (otherwise totally unfounded) claims of a million dollars made so far at trying to card count blackjack for a few minutes every day to evade detection, $500 a day for sure at slots from 6 am to 12 am somewhere in Montana, and near perfect record at one or two of likely hundreds of sports contests a year all to myself. It's easier for me to shoot my own shit, and believe it at the same time.


P.S. Years ago, when all the casino games were more popular, a lot of baccarat authors would play meaningless tournaments until they won one or two, and then set out with the books.

I'm in two no-charge contests -- Northbet and Heritage. I'm in one for which there is a fee, the Wise Guys, which is invitation-only, if you bothered to google it. The contest my girlfriend won, LineMasters, I was not in because I do not like the format. Oh, yeah, I signed up for the freebie at Stations Casinos and entered the first four weeks of games when I was in Las Vegas in August. Got two free lunches and $20 in slot play for doing that, so I guess it was an AP move. That's it. Good try, though. You know, OneHit, if you want to challenge me, I'm aware that polygraphs are considered junk science because nervousness leads to many false positives. But just for you, if the stakes are reasonable, I'll put myself at risk.

I thought in a previous post, you were going to offer a wager. How about I answer a couple of simple questions? How many contests am I in? Am I ahead lifetime betting sports? Am I ahead lifetime cumulatively gambling? I think those questions would just about cover it.

But you're an anonymous loser. No way you'll step up to the plate.

What annoys me is that I don't play any of the games or engage in any of the trickerations OneHit mentions. Anybody asks me, they get a report on what contests I'm in.

Hey, OneHit, I have Georgia at 45-1 to win the national title. The only other college football team future I had was a smaller play on Wash State at 115-1. And, gag me with a spoon, I had Georgia at +900 to win the SEC. Only to-win-conference wager I made this season. I suppose now you'll want evidence....LOL.

[Biloxi Bill]

As for you last little dig on MC. It was obvious to me he was talking about a single line machine(is that what you are referring to?)

My point was that members make challenges, then place conditions that make the challenge impractical to complete.

Requiring all play to be in Montana was among the add-on impractical conditions.

No it wasn't obvious to me that he meant a single-line machine, he only specified a certain payback percentage threshold.

If the threshold is met, then why would I expect multi-line games be excluded?

Playing a million hands on single-line machine would be so impractical, that it was obvious to me that he could not have meant that.

Now it turns out the wormm has other motives for requiring his challenges to be in Montana, it's so he can carry a concealed weapon.

But that is now water under the bridge, I was just making sure that Montana wasn't required for our exercise...is it?

So what cup size did you go with, D or double D?

Do you experience more back aches now with your new boobs?

Do you notice more attention and catcalls from construction workers when you shake it down the street?

[OneHitWonder]

Sonny and I had our run-ins over there. Some guy to promote the site, I think. He ran the "voodoo section" about betting progressions, X-ray glasses and the like.

What are you TALKING About...voodoo section and xray glasses? Some guy to promote the site? Sonny was a moderator at blackjackinfo. He was chosen to be a moderator because of who he is/was, a long-time, well known professional blackjack player, who played on several, well known, high profile teams.

Add Sonny, a well know, highly respected, long-time professional blackjack player to the list of Richard Munchkin and James Grosjean, two professional AP's and both members of the Blackjack Hall of Fame, that you are now attempting to discredit. You obviously have some sort of axe to grind with any and all successful blackjack players. You have been going after me for a while, and now going after every well known successful BJ player you can think of.

You are one bitter, angry, sick dude. How did you fucking alternative reality assholes all find each other and this site?

What in your quote of me is factually wrong? He ran the "voodoo section", was another member like every one else, and he promoted what he thought were non-voodoo plays, ie, the site. If I recall correctly, near the end of the life of that site he more spoke of making some extra pocket change at blackjack.

The specific run-in I had with him was over Shacky's math that says the best way to win a third of your bankroll (in a negative expectation game) is to bet a third, and the other two-thirds if lose the third. We had other disagreements leading up to that one, but, I think, that was the one that caused him the most grief (after I posted a link to Shacky's work.)

In any event, I wrote, I think, in that quote, just in case I really stepped in something, which I didn't. Am I no longer allowed even an opinion here? Lol.

[OneHitWonder]

Lead by example, troll punk. Give up the constant snide remarks to people. I personally don't think you can do it though. You have classic Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Yeah, sure. But there are lots of good things about being somewhat narcissistic, too. I tend to keep my (otherwise totally unfounded) claims of a million dollars made so far at trying to card count blackjack for a few minutes every day to evade detection, $500 a day for sure at slots from 6 am to 12 am somewhere in Montana, and near perfect record at one or two of likely hundreds of sports contests a year all to myself. It's easier for me to shoot my own shit, and believe it at the same time.


P.S. Years ago, when all the casino games were more popular, a lot of baccarat authors would play meaningless tournaments until they won one or two, and then set out with the books.

I'm in two no-charge contests -- Northbet and Heritage. I'm in one for which there is a fee, the Wise Guys, which is invitation-only, if you bothered to google it. The contest my girlfriend won, LineMasters, I was not in because I do not like the format. Oh, yeah, I signed up for the freebie at Stations Casinos and entered the first four weeks of games when I was in Las Vegas in August. Got two free lunches and $20 in slot play for doing that, so I guess it was an AP move. That's it. Good try, though. You know, OneHit, if you want to challenge me, I'm aware that polygraphs are considered junk science because nervousness leads to many false positives. But just for you, if the stakes are reasonable, I'll put myself at risk.

I thought in a previous post, you were going to offer a wager. How about I answer a couple of simple questions? How many contests am I in? Am I ahead lifetime betting sports? Am I ahead lifetime cumulatively gambling? I think those questions would just about cover it.

But you're an anonymous loser. No way you'll step up to the plate.

What annoys me is that I don't play any of the games or engage in any of the trickerations OneHit mentions. Anybody asks me, they get a report on what contests I'm in.

Hey, OneHit, I have Georgia at 45-1 to win the national title. The only other college football team future I had was a smaller play on Wash State at 115-1. And, gag me with a spoon, I had Georgia at +900 to win the SEC. Only to-win-conference wager I made this season. I suppose now you'll want evidence....LOL.

Hold on a minute. I'm going to have some supper.

[OneHitWonder]

You are one bitter, angry, sick dude. How did you fucking alternative reality assholes all find each other and this site?

What makes this site great is neither Sonny nor Shacky "runs" it.

[kewlJ]

In any event, I wrote, I think, in that quote, just in case I really stepped in something, which I didn't. Am I no longer allowed even an opinion here? Lol.

No, you are not allowed to make stuff up that is complete bullshit to discredit other people and reputations, especially people that don't participate here to defend themselves. That is NOT an opinion, that a character assassination based on complete lies and untruths.

For your information, Zengrifter ran the voodoo section at blackjackinfo, which when blackjackinfo shut down, Ken Smith, broke off that "voodoo" section and gave it to zengrifter (maybe sold for some small amount, Idk) and that section became a new site the Zenzoneforum. Are you confusing Sonny with Zengrifter, because while Zengrifter is kind of an online friend to this day, that would be a pretty big dis-service to Sonny. Sonny was legit. A professional blackjack player.

As per "another member like everyone else", very few AP's that I know of use multiple handles. Most use one handle, of slight variation of throughout multiple forums. It is the trolls and people who have something to hide that use multiple handles and sockpuppets. This allows them to change their stories and create a new "persona" whenever they feel like it. You are obviously in this "troll / have something to hide" group. So tell me what handle you were using at blackjackinfo, because there was no OneHitWonder there that I recall.

[mcap]

No, you do not get to tell people what they can and cannot make up. This Is the internet, or Sparta!!!! Damn free speech suppression

[Alan Mendelson]

Kewlj and everyone else. NO picture was taken from first base. The photos were taken from a middle position.

You are a liar, Alan! This picture is taken from 1st base. 1st base is back to back with 3rd base from the next table, which is the seat in the forefront. There is NO possible way that the 3rd base seat would be in the fore front at a straight away shot UNLESS you were standing at the first base seat at the next table.

No you are delusional. When I made the original post I explained where I was sitting.

[Alan Mendelson]

So when will just one of you actually go into a casino and look for yourselves?