Question for your Christmas Dinner Guests

[mickeycrimm]

thats in a random roll....but this obviously has to be an "expert" dice controller. After the first 10 yOS, A MORON would be able to see that its prudent to throw 10 dollars on yo, and then parlay the winnings.

sometimes chanting the mantra that dice dont have memory is the mantra of a fool if an impossible trend is in progress and there is no end in sight...in this case 10 bucks makes you over 2k on 2 rolls......worth a gamble .

only a fool would stand by and mentally document 18 yos in a row without placing a bet. Not a single red chip.....not even a single white chip....nope....just stand and watch opportunity pass you by, 12 rolls, 13 rolls, 14 rolls...all yo....and not a move to open the wallet.

But then I think only fools play craps.

[MisterV]

Now hold on there, Mr. Crimm: we recreational gamblers need our chance at the soapbox.

You call us "fools" for playing casino games with a negative EV.

From your point of view, that of a slot AP, that comment might seem to hang together, as it is something you would not do.

But the difference is you gamble to earn your daily bread, casinos are where you work.

Whereas I and millions of other ploppies go to casinos and read books and lurk / post at gambling boards not for work, but for play.

Shooting craps is fun.

Playing slots is fun.

But not day in, day out: then it would become a jaded drag.

[LarryS]

maybe only fools go on cruises or only fools pay good money to travel to go mountain climbing or only fools have a yearly subscription to the opera.
some people think only fools spend free time on s stool sipping a liquid depressant. you should be the last person to call craps players..."fools'

rather hypocritical

[mickeycrimm]

I knew that comment would get you guys going. My uncle the PHD emailed me recently and told me he and the wife were going to the Mississippi coast and do I have any tips on the gambling. I told him that if he gambled like I do he wouldn't have any fun. My hands are tied in a casino. I can't play unless I find an edge to exploit. It's not much fun waiting for an edge to develop.

[monet]

But then I think only fools play craps.

It isn't so bad playing craps when you have a couple of dealer friends or you know the pit boss personally and you get Over Pays or your bet stays on the felt when it should of been removed. Heck when I ran poker tournaments I had a few players that I would put in for free on the re-buy money and I would pass them chips to get them to the final table more often. Lots of - EV games that become + EV when you are willing to (cheat) for a lack of a better word. I had a few spots of Bubble Craps that was + EV years ago before they got fixed. I honestly still know one place where the same guys play 6 to 12 hours a day on a Bubble Craps Machine. I know they are up to something but I am pretty sure it isn't worth my time.

[Alan Mendelson]

Remember there were three of us at the table and none of us bet on the 11. That would rule out the shooter being a dice controller, wouldn't you say?

I'm sorry this event broke your holy grail but shit happens. I'm sorry I didn't bet a dollar on the yo but I don't make center table bets -- not even hard ways.

Frankly the four and a half hour roll at Caesars didn't make the news either. Big stuff happens that may be earth shattering to small minded gamblers but to the real world is insignificant.

Try to deal with that.

[MisterV]

I have a low blood pressure problem and three times I called for an EMT to come to my room to check me because I wasn't feeling well. They came immediately each and every time.

Might you have been experiencing a medical issue at the time you "saw" eighteen yo's rolled in a row, and might such a medical issue have affected your ability to perceive and discern reality?

[MisterV]

Frankly the four and a half hour roll at Caesars didn't make the news either. Big stuff happens that may be earth shattering to small minded gamblers but to the real world is insignificant. Try to deal with that.

Oh, I'll "try," but riddle me this: what 4 1/2 hour roll at Caesars are you talking about?

You are claiming that Demauro's record set at Borgata of 4 hours, eighteen minutes has been broken?

[LarryS]

some immunosuppressive meds can cause confusion as a side effect.

[MisterV]

That's what I figured.

Alan has fragile health (he's heavily medicated and could keel over at any minute), and this could have caused him to "think" he saw eighteen yo's in a row, when in fact he was staring at a urinal.

Could happen.

[Alan Mendelson]

Frankly the four and a half hour roll at Caesars didn't make the news either. Big stuff happens that may be earth shattering to small minded gamblers but to the real world is insignificant. Try to deal with that.

Oh, I'll "try," but riddle me this: what 4 1/2 hour roll at Caesars are you talking about?

You are claiming that Demauro's record set at Borgata of 4 hours, eighteen minutes has been broken?

Exactly right. And no one reported it. Not even the Review Journal. Two guys during an electronics convention were at a table making $10 bets. Four and a half hours said the pit boss. I wasn't there. Happened about three years ago. And then there was the two million dollar roll by the executive of Universal Pictures. I was at a different table that night. No mention in the media either. Shit happens.

[AxelWolf]

Remember there were three of us at the table and none of us bet on the 11. That would rule out the shooter being a dice controller, wouldn't you say?

I'm sorry this event broke your holy grail but shit happens. I'm sorry I didn't bet a dollar on the yo but I don't make center table bets -- not even hard ways.

Frankly the four and a half hour roll at Caesars didn't make the news either. Big stuff happens that may be earth shattering to small minded gamblers but to the real world is insignificant.

Try to deal with that.

Obviously, 18 yo's in a row is enough for people to say its much much more likely you dreamed it happened.

Even though, it is technically possible. There are just too many other things surrounding the supposed event that make it IMPOSSIBLE to have happened.

It's very strange you never said anything at the time, or shortly after it happened. I don't think you are the type of person who wouldn't immediately tell us that story. Had you seen 8 in a row you would have reported it the next day(I bet that night you would have reported even just 6 in a row). You have added stuff to the original story(the fact that the dealers were counting (out loud?). You couldn't even count how many times they checked the dice(IIRC, or was it something else you I'm thinking about that you couldn't count?). No Pit bosses, No witnesses whatsoever, no Video, no one bet it, YOU, of all people, just happened to be there. You were trying to prove a point about DI when you brought it up in the first place. THERES NO WAY YOU WAIT TO TELL US ABOUT 18 YO'S IN A ROW.

I think you tend to embellish when you want to prove a point. Like your Son's 5 single line Royals in a day in 2 different states and he still lost.

I have no doubt you were embellishing while trying to make a point about random rollers(there were probably 18 yo's throughout the night), you didn't think about just how impossible your 18 IN A ROW claim was. You just assumed people would believe that number(you probably thought it was 200k to 1 or something like that). Then suddenly a bunch of people called you on it. Now, you felt your reputation was on the line and everything you have ever said would be questioned. There was no going back now. A little white lie/embellishment turned into a big ass fake story.

[Bill Yung]

some immunosuppressive meds can cause confusion as a side effect.

Never heard of that. The common side effects for the common meds are here.

http://www.med.umich.edu/trans/publi...edications.pdf

[LarryS]

I'm sorry I didn't bet a dollar on the yo but I don't make center table bets

not even a dollar. After the first 9 or 10 thrown.....a sane person would try a single buck. Especially a sane person who knows the difficulty of throwing 3 yos in a row....you have to catch on that this is something special.Not even trying to win 15 dollars is not believable.

what a story you could have told how you turbed a single dollar into a few thousand just on 4 rolls. You didnt have to squeeze into the table and cause a fuss. The betting opportunity was right there in front of you..and all you had to do is risk a dollar.

so he chose to be a bystander and just chronicle the event.

someone who claims never to have a winning year.....was hesitant to break his hard and fast rule of not spending a dollar on the center of the craps table....because his methods work so well otherwise.

[LarryS]

some immunosuppressive meds can cause confusion as a side effect.

Never heard of that. The common side effects for the common meds are here.

http://www.med.umich.edu/trans/publi...edications.pdf

prograf is very common. I cant take the time to give you a crash course on pharmacology. But you can start your research there.

[Alan Mendelson]

All five of Jason's one line royals happened within 24 hours, one at Gold Strike and four at Caesars. I'll play the "AP card" here and put up $25,000 as a wager and we'll produce the W2Gs. Then you can confirm the W2Gs with anyone you care to but we're taking the 25 thousand.

As I wrote before I didn't think the 18 yos in a row was so earth shattering. To me it was no more earth shattering than when I was at a table and there were ten shooters who did point--seven in a row.

Had I thought at the time 18 yos in a row was so significant I would have asked for the tape immediately. When I did ask for the tape a few weeks later it was gone.

Honestly who besides you math guys really gives a f*** about 18 yos in a row? At the time it was just a gee whiz. I get more excited when the shooter hits the Small or the Tall.

You guys have a strange sense of priorities. The real world doesn't think like you do. It's really laughable.

Anyway with all that it really fucking happened. You don't want to believe so don't. I don't care. I have nothing to prove. I had nothing on the table figuratively or literally.

[Alan Mendelson]

Someone do a search for Ahhcraps and his post about the hard-tens at Caesars. Why didn't you attack that report?

[MisterV]

Let's put alan's "18 yo's in a row" claim in context.

Here is where he mentions it: https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...hand-of-craps/

Note his claim immediately follows a claim of others who say they saw 17 fours and 18 tens rolled in one hand.

Perhaps in an unthinking knee-jerk reaction to someone other than himself getting all the attention, he mentions having seen something even more unlikely: 18 yo's in a row, not just in a 48 number hand.

[Alan Mendelson]

And as soon as I told my blackjack playing friend that kewlj claimed he could count two tables my friend said what's next, someone will claim they can count three?

And what happened next? Kewlj posts about someone counting three.

Who wants to pay $25,000 to see Jason's W2Gs?

[LarryS]

so you are saying in defense, that other people are liars as well. Thats it? wow