The WoV Thread

[kewlJ]

Over at WoV today, someone posted a video by scammer Mikke Maze (is that the dudes name?), talking about how casinos cheat in blackjack by burning additional burn cards?

Is this against Nevada gaming regulations which would make it illegal? Does anyone know? I am not aware of that. It would seem to be against commonly accepted casino protocol, but is it against gaming regulations? there are procedures that each casino can set their own policy or protocol. The "wash" for example prior to shuffle when opening a table. I see casinos that do the wash and others that don't.

Another example is the burn card itself. Most places burn 1 card at the start of the new shuffle. I have seen places burn 2 or 3. I have seen a casino that turns over the first card and then burns 6, 7, 9, 10 cards, whatever the value of that turned over card is.

So I am just not sure burning additional cards is "cheating" or against any rules. It certainly would be something that is advantageous for the house if they start burning cards during a player +EV shoe or count. That would basically have the effect of reduced penetration. But I am not sure it is "cheating" or against any rules or regulations. If anyone knows please share.

[MDawg]

Over at WoV today, someone posted a video by scammer Mikke Maze (is that the dudes name?), talking about how casinos cheat in blackjack by burning additional burn cards?

Is this against Nevada gaming regulations which would make it illegal? Does anyone know? I am not aware of that. It would seem to be against commonly accepted casino protocol, but is it against gaming regulations? there are procedures that each casino can set their own policy or protocol. The "wash" for example prior to shuffle when opening a table. I see casinos that do the wash and others that don't.

Another example is the burn card itself. Most places burn 1 card at the start of the new shuffle. I have seen places burn 2 or 3. I have seen a casino that turns over the first card and then burns 6, 7, 9, 10 cards, whatever the value of that turned over card is.

So I am just not sure burning additional cards is "cheating" or against any rules. It certainly would be something that is advantageous for the house if they start burning cards during a player +EV shoe or count. That would basically have the effect of reduced penetration. But I am not sure it is "cheating" or against any rules or regulations. If anyone knows please share.

Huh? Now we really know you don't play much blackjack in brick and mortar casinos.

In blackjack they burn just one card. Period. The only place I've even ever heard of their burning more than one card in blackjack, and this is heresay to me as I do not play online, is in online casinos with live dealers. So that's where you've been hanging eh, playing penny ante blackjack for play chips eh? I suppose there must be sugar daddy opportunities online too or you wouldn't bother. Weird too then how your fictional story concentrates on Vegas brick and mortar casinos only.

It is Baccarat where they burn additionally the number of cards pertaining to the card turned over, plus leave that first card turned over as well.


Why don't you tell us what Vegas casinos burn more than one card in blackjack, FraudJ.

[kewlJ]

In blackjack they burn just one card. Period.

Proof that you just make up whatever the fuck you want and state it as fact.

Why don't you tell us what Vegas casinos burn more than one card in blackjack, FraudJ.

Longhorn Casino on Boulder highway for one. It has been a number of years since I played there. But they used to flip the first card and burn that number of cards correlating to the flipped card. There are others I have encountered more recently. Not in my primary rotation, so I don't remember exactly where.

[MDawg]

"For one" lol.

Longhorn Casino is one of the low end establishments where you've played video poker. Makes sense that you'd play low end like that judging by the low end sugar daddies you end up with, loser!

No Vegas casino I play at burns more than one card at blackjack never even seen anything like that in Tahoe.

You're probably confused because you don't really play and are thinking about how a new card might get burned at dealer change on a 6 deck shoe, but where I play even when I used to play public tables they don't even do that not on double deck.

[MDawg]

so I don't remember exactly where.

Because you don't really play in the first place.

[jbjb]

Some places with SD and DD will burn more than one card. All this really does is make the "pen" worse.

[kewlJ]

First of all, you asked where and I told you where and in typical Mdawg fashion, you can't admit that you were wrong. Ask around if you don't believe me. Ask Wizard. There are other casinos, and more than one. Just not in my regular rotation, so I can't say which.

So happens years ago when my partner was alive, Longhorn used to have a blackjack tournament every Wednesday at noon that was +EV because of the match plays each player received just for entering. I won that tournament a number of times for even more EV.

There are a number of these kinds of things that advantage players in Vegas engaged in. Even low limit stuff added up. Similarly, we used to hit Jerry's nugget every Tuesday where a half hour blackjack play on the CSM earned my partner and I weekly match plays coupons worth just under $50. Small +EV plays weekly add up. This is the advantage player mentality. Something YOU and Singer could never comprehend because both you two are as far away from advantage player as can be.

You may have money to gamble high stakes Mdawg, but that is all it is, ploppy, -EV, degenerate gambling. Nothing more.

And no I didn't play VP at Longhorn. maybe once to see what kind of mailers, but if I recall the mailer was shit and I never played VP there again. Again, AP stuff, at the most basic level that you can't possibly comprehend, because you are just a ploppy type gambler. Higher limit, but just a gambler.

[MDawg]

I play nothing but double deck these days and years ago when I played single deck 3:2 still no place I ever played burned more than one card.

UNKewlJ is relating something he heard about with live online dealers, as usual he's just spouting what he heard or read somewhere no actual experience. That he can't even remember where this happened shows that he makes it all up. The only other explanation would be that he has a really bad memory, but then - we already know this!

Which as I've said many times, forever and readily explains how there is no way in hell that such a helpless little twit would ever have the required character and discipline to be the gunslinging bj player he purports to be. And he never does get how he exposes that in his myriad of postings

[MisterV]

And no I didn't play VP at Longhorn. maybe once to see what kind of mailers, but if I recall the mailer was shit and I never played VP there again. Again, AP stuff, at the most basic level that you can't possibly comprehend, because you are just a ploppy type gambler. Higher limit, but just a gambler.

LOL

And that is what irks the dawg so...not only have you had him pegged as a bullshitter from the get go, he now realizes that he's a ploppy whereas you are an AP.

His ego won't stand for it, so he flames you, hoping that doing so will make him feel better...nope...epic fail.

Keep up tugging the dawg's tail, it's a hoot to watch him bark in response.

[MDawg]

What’s crazy about all this is that any normal person would realize that his ever changing story and desperate attempts to put out fires is just confirming that his story is false, and making him look even worse, but a sociopathic liar can’t help himself, and keeps lying just to cover up other lies.

[kewlJ]

Mdawg, YOU are a LIAR, dude!!! That is all you ever do. You seem even proud of that now.

You asked which place and I named one, that I am sure many people can verify, and you can't even admit you were wrong. You just go on making up even more shit about online blackjack which I don't play.

In short, you are just a fucking troll and prove that over and over and over, now almost daily.

The things you say and claim, $100-$5000 spreads. All the winning. No counter-measures or heat. 5 years of high end comps while winning millions and playing rated. These things are as much fantasy as all the movie and Tv clips you are obsessed with. You either don't know the difference between reality and fantasy or you think that the rest of us don't. Not sure which.

[MDawg]

This actually rather fits V too:

What's funniest about the UNKewl :clown: is he keeps repeating himself (at great length) as if he has 'stablished anything. The only thing he has established is how obsessed he is with MDawg Tater and RSinger! Repeating yourself ad nauseam without providing a shred of proof to back up your claims, doth not make a case.

I really should refrain from adding that we're dealing with someone so advanced in his disease that he hasn't been able to draw a sober breath more than a handful of days his entire adult life, but, why repeat the obvious? other than that this mind addling explains his confused outlook on things.

[MaxPen]

In blackjack they burn just one card. Period.

Proof that you just make up whatever the fuck you want and state it as fact.

Why don't you tell us what Vegas casinos burn more than one card in blackjack, FraudJ.

Longhorn Casino on Boulder highway for one. It has been a number of years since I played there. But they used to flip the first card and burn that number of cards correlating to the flipped card. There are others I have encountered more recently. Not in my primary rotation, so I don't remember exactly where.

Longhorn was a place with a $100 cap. FraudJ claimed he wasn't playing red and green across the street at Eastside Cannery just posted this....lol

You can't make this shit up...RIP

One can only imagine the Sugar Daddies in the Longhorn....lol

[MDawg]

Yes you beat me to that observation.

I just didn't want to say until I knew for sure what their max blackjack bet was. Without even checking I knew that Longhorn's video poker must be along the lines of places like Dotty's where UNKewlJ has been observed mindlessly playing low end video poker while looking for sugar daddies including the real winners he has ended up with so far, you know, the ones who have just enough to support him in the style he's grown accustomed to (meaning, slightly better than a tunnel dwelling shopping cart lifestyle).

[kewlJ]

Longhorn was a place with a $100 cap. FraudJ claimed he wasn't playing red and green across the street at Eastside Cannery just posted this....lol

You can't make this shit up...RIP

One can only imagine the Sugar Daddies in the Longhorn....lol

Wrong MaxPen.

I stated I didn't play these kinds of places as part of my regular blackjack card counting play. With my regular card counting I played staked of a max bet of usually $400. A few smaller places I would tone it down to $300 or even $250.

But that is NOT what we are talking about here. There were various promotions at some of the lower limit places that the promotion is what made the play +EV. So you could play the lower limit and make EV of $50 an hour or more. As mentioned my partner and I played a number of these kinds of things regularly because they were +EV to the tune of $50 bucks or so for a half hour or hour.

A lot of these kinds of things are things we wouldn't necessarily go out of our way for, but if we had nothing else going on we would try to be at Jerry's Nugget on a Tuesday or Longhorn on Wednesday and then eat lunch across the street at East Cannery or Sam's town, or at Rampart on a Monday for their blackjack. promotion. Every little bit added up.

Lots of these places that I played promotions at, had limits that would mean I wouldn't play them in my regular rotation, but the promotions made playing lower limits was worth it to me. THAT is advantage play.

MaxPen you are twisting and lying. Just stop. Be fucking honest for once.

[MDawg]

Compulsive liar is a fair assessment of what he is. If people go back and look at your last few stories they will see a trend in you always changing the story after you get caught lying.

[MDawg]

APs for years now have been saying that UNKewlJ is more of a minor video poker player than anything else.

And now we've had a couple verify the red green chip action in the presence of an obvious sugar daddy.

On top of that we have an admitted liar.

Court is adjourned. Kewl has been found guilty of another whopper.

[kewlJ]

Yes you beat me to that observation.

I just didn't want to say until I knew for sure what their max blackjack bet was. Without even checking I knew that Longhorn's video poker must be along the lines of places like Dotty's where UNKewlJ has been observed mindlessly playing low end video poker while looking for sugar daddies including the real winners he has ended up with so far, you know, the ones who have just enough to support him in the style he's grown accustomed to (meaning, slightly better than a tunnel dwelling shopping cart lifestyle).

You just lie and troll relentlessly. I have never....not once been inside, nor played a dotty's. Probably should have because I did hear they had occasion promotions and opportunities, but I just never did. BUT lie and make up your stories....it is ALL you have.

[kewlJ]

Two things Mdawg. 1) Your lying about me does not change anything about your claims. It just does not make you more credible.

and 2) release Wizard from the stupid NDA and we can get him to weigh in on some of this stuff. He knows about most promotions and stuff.

Hell, lets even have Wiz do one of his interviews with you. I am pretty sure that released from the NDA he would have some of the same questions and opinions I have, but in case he didn't, I would find a way to submit one or two questions, as many real AP's and players at WoV would. And let's hear your answers and see who the fuck knows what they are talking about and who is just talking.

Just release the guy from the NDA and let him speak. We both know that would be the end of your run at WoV.

[MaxPen]

Longhorn was a place with a $100 cap. FraudJ claimed he wasn't playing red and green across the street at Eastside Cannery just posted this....lol

You can't make this shit up...RIP

One can only imagine the Sugar Daddies in the Longhorn....lol

Wrong MaxPen.

I stated I didn't play these kinds of places as part of my regular blackjack card counting play. With my regular card counting I played staked of a max bet of usually $400. A few smaller places I would tone it down to $300 or even $250.

But that is NOT what we are talking about here. There were various promotions at some of the lower limit places that the promotion is what made the play +EV. So you could play the lower limit and make EV of $50 an hour or more. As mentioned my partner and I played a number of these kinds of things regularly because they were +EV to the tune of $50 bucks or so for a half hour or hour.

A lot of these kinds of things are things we wouldn't necessarily go out of our way for, but if we had nothing else going on we would try to be at Jerry's Nugget on a Tuesday or Longhorn on Wednesday and then eat lunch across the street at East Cannery or Sam's town, or at Rampart on a Monday for their blackjack. promotion. Every little bit added up.

Lots of these places that I played promotions at, had limits that would mean I wouldn't play them in my regular rotation, but the promotions made playing lower limits was worth it to me. THAT is advantage play.

MaxPen you are twisting and lying. Just stop. Be fucking honest for once.

Why don't you tell us what the blackjack promo was at the Longhorn that was worth $50?

They did give you a $5 ace for eating in the cafe But besides that...lol