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  1. #7921
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    I've spoken to both Gordon and Redietz, at-length, in PM's on unrelated topics and have gotten along well with both of them.
    That's only because you're a people person.

  2. #7922
    Redietz nuking comes as no surprise. Once Wizard decides he doesn't like someone and forms a bias against them, there can be only one outcome. He will attempt to drive them from the form via unfair and multiple suspensions and if that doesn't work, will "find" a reason to Nuke them.

    I'll just bump what I wrote yesterday.

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    And I am not alone. When Shackleford decides he doesn't like someone, his extreme bias and unfair treatment takes over. He tries to make them feel so unwelcome they will leave and if that doesn't work, he will find a reason to ban them or repeatedly issue unfairly heavy suspensions.

    two case in points:

    1.) Redietz. Redietz knows it, so it isn't a surprise to him. And everyone else should have seen that almost from the day Redietz joined WoV, Shackleford was unfairly on him. I don't know if it is because Redietz has VCT origins, or I actually think Shackleford sees some sort of association to me, as redietz has at times defended me. Whatever the reason, a clear negtive bias from Shackleford and attempt to drive redietze from the forum.

  3. #7923
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    I'm not sure where that threat was from, but I can understand being Nuked on those grounds.
    The threat was made earlier in this thread...

    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    If anyone figures out why I was suspended over there or who was responsible, let me know. I don't really care, but if it was gordo, I'm going to have to pay the guy a visit on principle.
    So a good question is does the Wiz visit here or did someone report it to him?? We know one mod from there posts her occasionally, could he be the culprit?

    And a threat that was obviously made in jest by RED on another forum is worthy of a Nuke but having a personal forum where you start threads bashing posters is OK with the Wiz.

    Silly RED, perhaps he needed to pay Wizard to witness something he can’t talk about. Maybe that would have changed everything. Or if RED would have offered to bring along a paraplegic for Gordo to fuck he would have gotten a pass. Credit to Freddy for bringing up that gem from Gordon’s past.

  4. #7924
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    So a good question is does the Wiz visit here or did someone report it to him?
    What's so good about that question?

    Are you scouting for others to join your rat club or something?

  5. #7925
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    If anyone figures out why I was suspended over there or who was responsible, let me know. I don't really care, but if it was gordo, I'm going to have to pay the guy a visit on principle.
    Geez, this was the threat? I didn't even see THAT as a threat. I honestly though Redietz mean "virtual" visit, as in at the end of his suspension, he would take up the matter with Gordon.

    We have seen threats on this forum. I have seen people threaten to find me and then show up at my building. I just honestly don't see what redietz wrote as much of a threat.

  6. #7926
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I just honestly don't see what redietz wrote as much of a threat.
    You don't post anything honestly.

    You just make shit up, and then present it and your accompanying accusations as fact.

  7. #7927
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I just honestly don't see what redietz wrote as much of a threat.
    You don't post anything honestly.

    You just make shit up, and then present it and your accompanying accusations as fact.
    You are such a fucktard. How is "I honestly don't see" presenting something as fact? "I honestly don't see" is an out right declaration that it is my opinion. Can you be any stupider?

  8. #7928
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Wellbush has been nuked from WOV! What the fuck! Wellbush put so much time and effort, posted more in just 7 months than MANY WOV Members who have been there for YEARS and they just threw him out like yesterday's trash! When I FIRST saw Wizard's post about Wellbush being Nuked, I thought it was Wizard reversing Wellbush's Suspension. My eyes saw only a few words(After much consideration , and Wellbush) at first and I was like,"Good, Wizard is unsuspending Wellbush early." I was STUNNED when I read the entire post and realized Wizard nuked Wellbush. Wellbush was right to go to Gambling Forums where he'll be more appreciated.
    "Wellbush" will fit right in with the All-Star trio at GF of Turbo Genius, Gizmotron and Nathan Detroit.

  9. #7929
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post

    The threat was made earlier in this thread...

    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    If anyone figures out why I was suspended over there or who was responsible, let me know. I don't really care, but if it was gordo, I'm going to have to pay the guy a visit on principle.
    So a good question is does the Wiz visit here or did someone report it to him?? We know one mod from there posts her occasionally, could he be the culprit?

    And a threat that was obviously made in jest by RED on another forum is worthy of a Nuke but having a personal forum where you start threads bashing posters is OK with the Wiz.

    Silly RED, perhaps he needed to pay Wizard to witness something he can’t talk about. Maybe that would have changed everything. Or if RED would have offered to bring along a paraplegic for Gordo to fuck he would have gotten a pass. Credit to Freddy for bringing up that gem from Gordon’s past.

    LOL. What I get a kick out of is Shackleford pretending that I made some dire threat to gordo's well-being. You'll notice he didn't verbatim quote me. I was just going to have a conversation with gordo. Now it'll have to be at the next WoV get together. Oh well, so be it.

    I don't have much tolerance for victim playing.

    Mr. Shackleford, there will be a reckoning, as Dr. Evil says. Count on it.

  10. #7930
    In all seriousness, Shackleford is as obvious as the sun coming up. What do the three nuked-at-WoV VCT members have in common -- me, once-nuked kewlJ, and mickey crimm?

    We all make a living gambling. We are professionals. We do what Shackleford cannot do. We know far more than he does about various aspects of real life gambling.

    It really is that simple.

  11. #7931
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    How is "I honestly don't see" presenting something as fact? "I honestly don't see" is an out right declaration that it is my opinion.
    You consistently make shit up and present your fantasies and accompanying accusations as fact.

    You don't post honestly, so when you write "I honestly don't see" that statement is dishonest and should not be believed as your honest opinion.

    Understand now, fucktard?

  12. #7932
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Redietz nuking comes as no surprise. Once Wizard decides he doesn't like someone and forms a bias against them, there can be only one outcome. He will attempt to drive them from the form via unfair and multiple suspensions and if that doesn't work, will "find" a reason to Nuke them.

    I'll just bump what I wrote yesterday.

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    And I am not alone. When Shackleford decides he doesn't like someone, his extreme bias and unfair treatment takes over. He tries to make them feel so unwelcome they will leave and if that doesn't work, he will find a reason to ban them or repeatedly issue unfairly heavy suspensions.

    two case in points:

    1.) Redietz. Redietz knows it, so it isn't a surprise to him. And everyone else should have seen that almost from the day Redietz joined WoV, Shackleford was unfairly on him. I don't know if it is because Redietz has VCT origins, or I actually think Shackleford sees some sort of association to me, as redietz has at times defended me. Whatever the reason, a clear negtive bias from Shackleford and attempt to drive redietze from the forum.
    Says the guy who has been banned and unbanned (many times of his own volition) countless times. If Wizard really let his personal feelings and things said about him always dictate who is allowed to post there and who isn't, then you never would have been allowed back.

  13. #7933
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    LOL. What I get a kick out of is Shackleford pretending that I made some dire threat to gordo's well-being. You'll notice he didn't verbatim quote me. I was just going to have a conversation with gordo. Now it'll have to be at the next WoV get together. Oh well, so be it.

    I don't have much tolerance for victim playing.

    Mr. Shackleford, there will be a reckoning, as Dr. Evil says. Count on it.
    Did you not read Wizard's post in the Suspension List thread? He basically told you to go after him if you're going to go after anyone, so there you go.

    As far as I'm concerned, he's just sticking up for one of the mods who do their job there on a volunteer basis. If someone came into the soup kitchen where I volunteer and said anything that could be construed as a threat against me, while I wouldn't personally be the one asking for them to be banned from the premises, I would think that the Administration there would ban that person of its own accord.

  14. #7934
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    In all seriousness, Shackleford is as obvious as the sun coming up. What do the three nuked-at-WoV VCT members have in common -- me, once-nuked kewlJ, and mickey crimm?

    We all make a living gambling. We are professionals. We do what Shackleford cannot do. We know far more than he does about various aspects of real life gambling.

    It really is that simple.
    How is building arguably the world's best-known gambling website and selling it for millions of dollars not, "Making a living at gambling?"

    Anyway, I'm clearly going to be a somewhat biased party on this one since I write for the sites and consider Wizard a friend of mine. With that, I'm going to mostly bow out of this thread henceforward. If someone brings me up in anyway, then I hope someone else will let me know...or if anyone does have something they want to say to me, I can be found in any other number of threads here.

  15. #7935
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    In all seriousness, Shackleford is as obvious as the sun coming up. What do the three nuked-at-WoV VCT members have in common -- me, once-nuked kewlJ, and mickey crimm?

    We all make a living gambling. We are professionals. We do what Shackleford cannot do. We know far more than he does about various aspects of real life gambling.

    It really is that simple.
    Dude, I dont know exactly what the deal is with the nukes and all, but I am certain it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYONE BEING AN AP OR NOT. It would stand to reason there are/were a fair amount of AP's on that website, it would also stand to reason that the AP's posting on the forums are not people who have a passive personality.

    I went and took a look at what you said, It was weak as far as a threat goes, but it sounded like a veiled threat nonetheless. Yeah, you worded it in a way where you could say it meant anything and it was open to interpretation. I would not have nuked you for that, but I certainly would have asked that you explain it. The mods don't deserve to get harassed for doing "their job".

  16. #7936
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    LOL. What I get a kick out of is Shackleford pretending that I made some dire threat to gordo's well-being. You'll notice he didn't verbatim quote me. I was just going to have a conversation with gordo. Now it'll have to be at the next WoV get together. Oh well, so be it.

    I don't have much tolerance for victim playing.

    Mr. Shackleford, there will be a reckoning, as Dr. Evil says. Count on it.
    Did you not read Wizard's post in the Suspension List thread? He basically told you to go after him if you're going to go after anyone, so there you go.

    As far as I'm concerned, he's just sticking up for one of the mods who do their job there on a volunteer basis. If someone came into the soup kitchen where I volunteer and said anything that could be construed as a threat against me, while I wouldn't personally be the one asking for them to be banned from the premises, I would think that the Administration there would ban that person of its own accord.
    Mission, to put it mildly, get the fuck real.

    I am 64 years old. I have 17 arrests and no convictions. Just kidding, although people do believe that. It's a variation of a Big Jule quote from Guys and Dolls, "Well, I used to be bad when I was a kid, but ever since then I've gone straight, as has been proved by my record: Thirty-three arrests and no convictions!"

    If I am going to threaten someone, I'm too arrogant and late in life to sugar coat it.

    Speaking of Big Jule as a kid, the coming-of-age car story I mentioned to you a couple of months ago featured my first little gambling adventure in life. Both 17, my friend and I were driving around Schuylkill County in a Lincoln (which he did get title to two years later), picking up 10K here and 8K there for a place called the Jester Club. No adults chaperoned us. This was 1974 or thereabouts, and 10K then is roughly 45K now, so we were not a clown act. When people were short, we reported them as short, and actions were taken by the Jester Club. Nobody was ever short a second time. So that was my intro to gambling.

    If I'm going to have somebody's legs broken, I'm not going to be shy about it. I will say, "I'm going to have gordo's legs broken." For the record, I also do not abide by the Italians' rules and regs. Those who understand what I'm saying, understand what I'm saying.

    So this victim-playing by Shackleford is nonsensical. All it does is piss me off.

  17. #7937
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Yeah, you worded it in a way where you could say it meant anything and it was open to interpretation. I would not have nuked you for that, but I certainly would have asked that you explain it. The mods don't deserve to get harassed for doing "their job".
    Direct Quote from Dan Druff...
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  18. #7938
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    In all seriousness, Shackleford is as obvious as the sun coming up. What do the three nuked-at-WoV VCT members have in common -- me, once-nuked kewlJ, and mickey crimm?

    We all make a living gambling. We are professionals. We do what Shackleford cannot do. We know far more than he does about various aspects of real life gambling.

    It really is that simple.
    How is building arguably the world's best-known gambling website and selling it for millions of dollars not, "Making a living at gambling?"
    I debated on commenting on redietz's comments (included above), especially the "We do what Shackleford cannot do". I don't know what Shackleford does or doesn't do AP-wise to earn money and I don't know what kind of money he makes or has made because he doesn't share much of that. Hasn't it been like some 20 years since he left his job at social security? I don't know what he has done to earn money other than the publicized stint as a consultant at Venetian. Has there been more of that type of thing? I have no idea. Has APing been a big part of his income? again I have no idea.

    I will say, I don't consider building and selling a website as "making a living at gambling". That is business. And good for him. I think he kind of lucked into that, but seriously good for him. Mission, would you consider a guy that owns and runs a shop selling baseball cards as making a living playing baseball?


    I was going to let this go about redietz comment but since I am into it now, I am uncomfortable with my inclusion of doing something that Mike Shackleford can't. Even in my narrow field of expertise of card counting or even more specific, card counting in Las Vegas, there is nothing about the mathematics of card counting that I know that Shackleford doesn't and almost assuredly things he knows and understands that I don't. What I may have on him and others is I have learned how to apply what I know and play and still be welcome back to play again, and again. (well at least so far....we will see what next week brings ). I am quite sure if Mr. Shackleford wanted to apply himself to card counting and learning about the tolerance levels of what is needed for longevity, he could do everything I do. Like Most AP's, he has bigger fish to fry.

  19. #7939
    Either way, all of this is just endless bitching that a guy who doesn't want to hear from certain people does not want them posting on a platform that he created and mostly still operates.

    If Dan Druff doesn't like me and wants to Nuke me from this site, then I can assure you that I'm not going to go over to WoV or GF and create, "The VCT Thread," to bitch about everything that goes on here for hundreds of pages. Most likely, I'm just never going to look at this site again, unless someone tells me that I am being Doxxed and I need to report it to Dan.

    There's this asshole who lives across the street whose dad (I assume) was parked in the middle of the way and was out of his truck talking to the guy. Anyway, that prevented me from getting to my parking spot, so I parked right behind him, got out of my car, went on an absolute profanity-laced tirade that ended in, "I'm taking my food and going inside, when you're ready to get your fucking truck out of the middle of the way, then one of you two c*n*s come over here and knock on the door and I'll move my fucking car since parking in the middle of the way is apparently something that us pieces of shit are doing now. Fuck you and fuck you and both of you go to hell! Don't wait for me, just knock and I'll come move it."

    Anyway, I went over after I calmed down and apologized only to the extent of calling them both c*n*s...I made very clear that I was not apologizing for anything except calling them that word specifically. He told me to get off of his property, so I flipped him off and did as he asked because he's within his right to ask that. He should have apologized to me for the fact that his dad was blocking me from getting to my spot and didn't even make a move to get in his truck and move it when he saw me coming up, but he's a c*n*, so what do you expect?

    Either way, you don't see me running around the neighborhood telling everyone the story or talking shit about the guy. It's over and done with, so that's that. If the dude speaks to me, then I'm just going to flip him off again. If he wants to come get it, then he can come get it, but I know he's a cop, so he's going to have to sign a waiver and a contract that says he is agreeing to fight me.

  20. #7940
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    I parked right behind him, got out of my car, went on an absolute profanity-laced tirade that ended in, "I'm taking my food and going inside, when you're ready to get your fucking truck out of the middle of the way, then one of you two c*n*s come over here and knock on the door and I'll move my fucking car since parking in the middle of the way is apparently something that us pieces of shit are doing now. Fuck you and fuck you and both of you go to hell! Don't wait for me, just knock and I'll come move it."
    Like I wrote earlier...you're a people person.

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