The WoV Thread

[jbjb]

Another words you don't know any confirmed fucking thing for a fact. Here's a perfect case of someone vouching for another person yet never meet him or has any idea what he does. Yet, he's one of the most complete diversified AP's he heard of.

Can't make this shit up.

I've met him. I have an idea as to some of the stuff he does. I worked personally on a play with him. If you read enough of my articles, you could probably kind of piece together what it was. There was a lot of money involved.

It doesn't matter. The gambling suckers won't believe you anyway. Not worth the time trying to convince those tools.

[MDawg]

What's curious is why anyone, and I do mean - anyone, would have a problem with some good honest Axel bashing posts, when all this guy does is spend tens of thousands of posts challenging others and calling most everyone new who crosses his path a liar.

DarkOz is also an alleged AP, correct? Axel must have spent hundreds of posts challenging him too.

No honor among these thieves!

He gives - he gets.

[MDawg]

What's clear to me is that Axel is an alcoholic, on and off the wagon, who used to do something or other in casinos that he thinks was big time, and now spends most of his time challenging people on forums desperately trying to seem relevant, meantime when not in bed (just the fact that he would brag about lying in bed all day waiting to be served food by his wife makes a statement) - he's doing some online play, putzing around his garden and repairing broken laptops he finds at garage sales to come up a hundred dollars.

None of that per se is all that bad, except the challenging people part. Where does this has-been get the right to do that? Some of you guys apparently give him the power to do that to you - I don't. He's too full of contradictions and cheap hustler moves to make any kind of solid impression on me.

[kewlJ]

Axelwolf is much more than a video poker player. Based on what I know of him from others, he may be one of the most complete and diversified AP's I have heard of.

Another words you don't know any confirmed fucking thing for a fact. Here's a perfect case of someone vouching for another person yet never meet him or has any idea what he does. Yet, he's one of the most complete diversified AP's he heard of.

Can't make this shit up.

In the AP community, players know or know of one another even though they may have never met or introduced themselves. And that is particularly true in a place like Las Vegas. People that I know and speak with frequently will know someone like Axelwolf or know someone who knows them. That is what reputation is. So while I haven't actually met or been introduced to Axelwolf or introduced myself, I know him.

Now what some of you nit wits like Monet are conflating is that someone that I may not like all that much based on our relationship on forums, I can still recognize and appreciate their ability as an AP or any other things. I am able to separate out the two. For instance, I don't care much for the Mickey Crimm of the past two years. But that wouldn't stop me from respecting, admiring and even coming to his defense as an AP, if need be. The truth, my truth and reality doesn't change based on whether I like or don't like someone. That is the problem with so many here....changing realities.

[LMR]

It doesn't matter. The gambling suckers won't believe you anyway. Not worth the time trying to convince those tools.

Can't make this shit up.

You guys are no different, from anyone else, when it comes right down it. Just a bunch of chickens talking shit.

[LMR]

I had my years of drunken foolery as well.
Gave it up around 30 or so because the stomach couldn't take it anymore.
Most of the players on these forums have admitted to long term alcohol abuse.
The rest hide it.

I gave up long distance running, in my early thirties. Hips couldn't handle it, anymore. Hehehe.

[kewlJ]

What's clear to me is that Axel is an alcoholic,

It is clear to you that he is an acholic? I think you are putting too much stock in one night that Axel met up with some forum members socially and apparently had too much to drink. So what? they weren't meeting to go play at a casino. It was strictly a social meeting. Maybe Axelwolf is the kind of person that is a little nervous when meeting new people. Maybe he drank too much as a result. Who knows. Or maybe he is an acholic. There are plenty of functioning alcoholics in the world. Some of the greatest people in their fields, including some TOP blackjack players of all time are functioning alcoholics.

What does any of it matter, with the possible exception that one may be considering teaming with Axelwolf on a play. That is the Only scenario where I might even consider that it is any of my business.

The problem on this forum continues to be that people form teams, demonize one another and then alter reality to fit those feelings. Very few seem capable of separating out.

[monet]

queerJ calling me a nit lol.
At least he didn't tell me Hitler made bread out of my family and called it MendleBread.
Of course in queerJ fashion he talks good about Alan these days.

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...Thread/page190

Michael Shackleford is no friend to gamblers or the gambling community. He proved that years ago with his association with Venetian and he proves it everyday at his forum. Interested in helping players be better informed gamblers. Give me a break! Michael Shackleford is interested in propping up his own ego. That's all WoV was ever about. He is a VERY insecure and small man. (That's what she said. - Michael Scott reference)

[jbjb]

You guys are no different, from anyone else, when it comes right down it. Just a bunch of chickens talking shit.

Anyone have any Lysol? This asstard LMR here is farting again.

[kewlJ]

queerJ calling me a nit lol.
At least he didn't tell me Hitler made bread out of my family and called it MendleBread.
Of course in queerJ fashion he talks good about Alan these days.

See this is exactly your problem, monet. You can't move forward. You get stuck in the mud.

In the heat of the moment, I tried to be funny and insulting to Alan by coming up with an insult based on Mandelbrot or bread which was similar to his name. It was not funny and way over the line of decency. I apologized to Alan. He accepted my apology or at least said he did publicly and has never brought it up again.

Only you continue to harp on it. Perhaps you are Jewish and as such are equally offended, but I doubt it. You are just being you, a guy stuck in reverse, unable to move forward.

[monet]

Michael Shackleford's bizarre and most inappropriate response to the news of Mickeycrimm's heart attack:

"May you have a quick recovery, Mickey. When you get out, I recommend plenty of exercise, preferably on a unicycle.

Meanwhile, I should visit Montana while I can without fear of being capped".

The level of this guy's inappropriateness is just stunning! And I'll bet no one at WoV will have the balls to even say anything about it.

Now that you are back at WoV, I suppose you should say something about it, right???

[Mission146]

Axel has never in his life received a W2-G from a table game (he simply misspoke and was referring to machine wins which is exactly my point - he's clueless) and nor have you received a W2-G from a table game, and nor have I. I've cashed out many six figure wins via bank wire from table games and nothing has been reported, either overtly or covertly.

I play Blackjack and Baccarat which are both true tables games.

But, I'd be intrigued to know what you mean, about table games that issue W2-Gs?

Yes, I have. I hit a six point Fire Bet once and received a W2-G for a $1,000 win because of the amount won relative to the amount bet. This would have been 2015 or 2016, so I don't know if I can get the W2-G copy still (will inquire tomorrow-nobody is answering the phone at that casino at this moment) but here is me posting about it in 2017:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...es/#post609555

And...you do not know how many searches I had to do to find that post. lol

https://www.irs.gov/instructions/iw2g

The winnings (except winnings from bingo, slot machines, keno, and poker tournaments) reduced, at the option of the payer, by the wager are:
$600 or more, and
At least 300 times the amount of the wager; or

AND:

Regular Gambling Withholding for Certain Games
You may be required to withhold 24% of gambling winnings for federal income tax. This is referred to as regular gambling withholding. Withhold at the 24% rate if the winnings minus the wager are more than $5,000 and are from:

Sweepstakes;
Wagering pools;
Lotteries;
Wagering transactions in a parimutuel pool with respect to horse races, dog races, or jai alai, if the winnings are at least 300 times the amount wagered; or
Other wagering transactions, if the winnings are at least 300 times the amount wagered.

Which is the case not only for the Craps Fire Bet, but also for many table games progressives, which could be Advantage Played. It can also apply to several other table games results, particularly on other side bets.

Here's a thread here with discussion about it:

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ot-Machine-pay

And, I mean you no offense, but this is a fairly widely known fact. Probably wouldn't affect you at Baccarat, though.

[MDawg]

I found it here
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ot-Machine-pay
and thanks! for that. I was not aware of a Fire Bet on craps.

But
1) Axel wasn't talking about a Fire Bet
2) and even if he had been, Betting five bucks on a fire bet and ending up with a W2-G, would not not make one a high roller! Just a lucky SOB.

When Axel offered to "show me his W2-Gs" he was offering them to prove that he was a high rolling table player at one time. He was not talking about a stack of winning Fire Bet W-2Gs, come on! he was talking about machine wins, which are irrelevant to table game play. And also, he challenged an alleged table game player to "show him the CTR" to prove a seven figure table game win, another contradiction and evidence of no extensive past in table game play.

[Mission146]

I found it here
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ot-Machine-pay
and thanks! for that. I was not aware of a Fire Bet on craps.

But
1) Axel wasn't talking about a Fire Bet
2) and even if he had been, Betting five bucks on a fire bet and ending up with a W2-G, would not not make one a high roller! Just a lucky SOB.

When Axel offered to "show me his W2-Gs" he was offering them to prove that he was a high rolling table player at one time. He was not talking about a stack of winning Fire Bet W-2Gs, come on! he was talking about machine wins, which are irrelevant to table game play. And also, he challenged an alleged table game player to "show him the CTR" to prove a seven figure table game win, another contradiction and evidence of no extensive past in table game play.

You're welcome. Again, there are many table games results in which a W-2G is possible. They are mostly on side bets and progressive side bets.

I don't know anything about the specific conversation you're referring to, sorry. I was merely correcting your apparent misimpression that W-2G's for Table Games are not possible and your direct accusation that I have never received one.

[MDawg]

Does one place a Fire Bet when the table is hotter than hot, come bets coming out and staying stacked up, and no sevens rolled only elevens, or is it just something laid out on a whim?

I used to have fun playing craps in the very early days and had some great wins, and then other times when couldn't hit a point to save my life, but over all in the long run I didn't enjoy the game as much as BJ or Baccarat.

[Mission146]

I don't place a Fire Bet at all, someone else tossed me a $1 and told me to put it on my Fire Bet. "Tipping the shooter," is something that sometimes happens at Craps if someone goes on a really hot roll...not that they had any control over the results.

You place a Fire Bet before the Come Out roll after the end of any previous hand that resulted in a seven out. In order to hit the, "Six Point," Fire Bet, you must establish and make all six points (4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10) without ever sevening out, so it's pretty rare to do that.

I probably haven't played Craps in two years, or so, if you want to know the truth. But, if I did, I would not make the Fire Bet. It remains my second favorite table game only to Pai-Gow Poker, which I haven't played in even longer.

[MDawg]

It's a long story that's worthy of its own chapter in a book, but sometimes when I walk by a craps table I remember one of the first nights I bet big, I put three thousand on the line with max odds behind on a point of nine, and this REALLY cute redhead who kept rolling and rolling hit it and I had some idea that I had won a lot, but not even really knowing exactly how much, and when I found out that I had just won twelve thousand dollars I slammed my fist on the edge of the table so hard my chips in the rack went flying up in the air slow motion style straight out of Sharon Stone's epic first scene in Casino. Between this girl and others at the table including my own rolls I walked with over thirty grand.

But then I also think of the few times I was leaning against the table looking down at my last few thousand left on my $20K line, which is what my lines were in those days, and tipping out quarters to the cocktail waitress because I figured that way at least someone would end up with something. And those losing memories are why I quit craps play within a year of starting it. I think the big wins ended up cancelling out the losses, but I just never managed to win consistently at that game versus my experience with other table games.

Still, when I think of that night with the redhead my heart gets tugged back into the game at least until my head starts reasoning me back to reality.

[Darkoz]

It's a long story that's worthy of its own chapter in a book, but sometimes when I walk by a craps table I remember one of the first nights I bet big, I put three thousand on the line with max odds behind on a point of nine, and this REALLY cute redhead who kept rolling and rolling hit it and I had some idea that I had won a lot, but not even really knowing exactly how much, and when I found out that I had just won twelve thousand dollars I slammed my fist on the edge of the table so hard my chips in the rack went flying up in the air slow motion style straight out of Sharon Stone's epic first scene in Casino. Between this girl and others at the table including my own rolls I walked with over thirty grand.

But then I also think of the few times I was leaning against the table looking down at my last few thousand left on my $20K line, which is what my lines were in those days, and tipping out quarters to the cocktail waitress because I figured that way at least someone would end up with something. And those losing memories are why I quit craps play within a year of starting it. I think the big wins ended up cancelling out the losses, but I just never managed to win consistently at that game versus my experience with other table games.

Still, when I think of that night with the redhead my heart gets tugged back into the game at least until my head starts reasoning me back to reality.

All that money and you only tipped the waitress a quarter. Could at least have sprung for a full dollar.

MDawg, I'm ribbing you obviously. Don't take it seriously.

[Mission146]

It's a long story that's worthy of its own chapter in a book, but sometimes when I walk by a craps table I remember one of the first nights I bet big, I put three thousand on the line with max odds behind on a point of nine, and this REALLY cute redhead who kept rolling and rolling hit it and I had some idea that I had won a lot, but not even really knowing exactly how much, and when I found out that I had just won twelve thousand dollars I slammed my fist on the edge of the table so hard my chips in the rack went flying up in the air slow motion style straight out of Sharon Stone's epic first scene in Casino. Between this girl and others at the table including my own rolls I walked with over thirty grand.

But then I also think of the few times I was leaning against the table looking down at my last few thousand left on my $20K line, which is what my lines were in those days, and tipping out quarters to the cocktail waitress because I figured that way at least someone would end up with something. And those losing memories are why I quit craps play within a year of starting it. I think the big wins ended up cancelling out the losses, but I just never managed to win consistently at that game versus my experience with other table games.

Still, when I think of that night with the redhead my heart gets tugged back into the game at least until my head starts reasoning me back to reality.

That's a really cool story. I guess my story is kind of cool if I told the whole thing, but it's only $1,000---nice little piece for me, don't misunderstand, but still only $1,000. I also probably don't remember it perfectly because it was several years ago. Not that I mind, because I don't, but were it not for this thread...I might have never thought about it again.

[MDawg]

The dollar amount isn't always significant. I've fallen off my chair at a two hundred dollar blackjack before, playing at a local Indian casino once, which I pretty much never play Indian casinos. I was playing just to appease some friends who insisted that I play with them, which led one of my friends to comment that he was happy to see that I could get so excited over a smaller win, that he would have figured I was too jaded by then to care about three hundred bucks.


As you point out, well that's the beauty of these forums. In reminiscing - and especially, writing, about our past, we re-live it. Absolutely yes these forums may jar memories loose.

But I still don't ever want to forget what it feels like leeeaning against that craps table on a gloomy Sunday afternoon just knowing that there is no way this is going to end short of losing it all. THAT memory keeps me away from the craps tables, redhead or no redhead.