The WoV Thread

[Ozzy]

The one guy he met off the forums says Axel showed up drunk, proceeded to get falling down drunk, passed out in his car and had to be driven home. He commented that Axel seemed like a habitual drunkard and that he would know because he's seen others like Axel bumbling around the Vegas Strip all the time he's lived here. That's the only first hand experience I've read of anyone's "Axel encounter."

To be fair, I think you're referring to what Monet said. Monet has yet to meet anyone from the forums that he hasn't talked shit about afterward. As far as I know.

The meeting between Axel and Monet must have been really ugly, Monet hasn't stopped bashing Axel every chance he gets, and Axel who responds to everyone eventually, NEVER responds to Monet. I believe he holds that special title. He has even responded to Blackholes constant bashing, negativity on several occasions.

[Darkoz]

The one guy he met off the forums says Axel showed up drunk, proceeded to get falling down drunk, passed out in his car and had to be driven home. He commented that Axel seemed like a habitual drunkard and that he would know because he's seen others like Axel bumbling around the Vegas Strip all the time he's lived here. That's the only first hand experience I've read of anyone's "Axel encounter."

To be fair, I think you're referring to what Monet said. Monet has yet to meet anyone from the forums that he hasn't talked shit about afterward. As far as I know.

The meeting between Axel and Monet must have been really ugly, Monet hasn't stopped bashing Axel every chance he gets, and Axel who responds to everyone eventually, NEVER responds to Monet. I believe he holds that special title. He has even responded to Blackholes constant bashing, negativity on several occasions.

I think it went down like this.

Axel said he would show up is someone would show him the money.

This guy shows up and Axel says"Ok, show me the money"

The guy raises his arms and says, "Here is the Monet".

Axel won't talk to him as a result

[mickeycrimm]

Rob Singer put the right tag on redietz. Weird. Just plain weird.

[AxelWolf]

The one guy he met off the forums says Axel showed up drunk, proceeded to get falling down drunk, passed out in his car and had to be driven home. He commented that Axel seemed like a habitual drunkard and that he would know because he's seen others like Axel bumbling around the Vegas Strip all the time he's lived here. That's the only first hand experience I've read of anyone's "Axel encounter."

To be fair, I think you're referring to what Monet said. Monet has yet to meet anyone from the forums that he hasn't talked shit about afterward. As far as I know.

The meeting between Axel and Monet must have been really ugly, Monet hasn't stopped bashing Axel every chance he gets, and Axel who responds to everyone eventually, NEVER responds to Monet. I believe he holds that special title. He has even responded to Blackholes constant bashing, negativity on several occasions.

As far as I'm concerned, the meeting was not ugly I enjoyed shooting pool with him and having a conversation. Had there been an issue at that time, I wouldn't think he would offer to give me a ride, nor would I have accepted. We even communicated prior to that perhaps shared a little information via text and private messages. It seemed as if he kept changing his number so we didn't communicate outside the forums at some point.

I even communicated with him on the forums after that Meetup without any issues, at least as far as I was concerned.

If I recall correctly, he even mentioned something to me about wanting to do more team play stuff since he was mostly solo, possibly with us. You can probably go back and find something along those lines on the forum where he mentions this. It's been long time, so I don't remember exact details.

As far as I was concerned, we were cool. I didn't say anything mean, nasty or derogatory towards or about him. As a matter fact I'm sure it was quite the opposite. I even thought perhaps we would do something together in the future.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why, but his demeanor towards me seem to suddenly and drastically change at some point, I believe that was after he got nuked from Wizard of Vegas. I wouldn't think just because I'm friends with Mike and a member at wizard of Vegas that someone would automatically dislike me. But who knows, I guess some people actually do take those things into consideration.

Aside from a couple private messages asking him why the disdain for me, this all played out online, so it's easy to go back to see for yourself. There certainly wasn't any strange or crazy thing that happened behind the scenes.



I tried to figure out what the issue was so I could smooth things over or at least agree to disagree and coexist in a civil manner.

Not necessarily in order, but here's the few things that came to mind.

I know Monet got a little miffed when I made a small a very mild joke regarding some Lucky Dragon gas cards(or something like that, I don't remember). As far as I know he had a sense of humor and it was a very obvious joke, I even apologized and told him I was just f****** around, I think it was more than obvious. People know that oftentimes I joke with people I like or respect. For instance, Romes and PokerGrinder.

I posted about being annoyed that gypsy women where using their kids as bait trying to con people for money frequently here in Vegas. I remember Monet defending them and giving me the business over that.

At some point, Monet mentioned something about a group of guys finger f****** machines. I believe I even mentioned f************* prior to that.

I think I mentioned something along the lines of.... one would have to be careful, because that would be considered illegal. I knew about this, I knew where vulnerable machines where and I knew how to do it but I wasn't willing to engage in that. I didn't judge anyone, nor did I make any assumptions about the guys doing that. Yet, Monet give me the business over mention the fact that it probably be considered illegal. No thank you

At some point, Monet was mentioning some Vegas advantage plays and giving details. A few Advantage Players took notice, even some that rarely, if ever, post on the forums. I and others were concerned this could potentially make those plays go away. Some of those guys thought that perhaps I could ask him if he would consider chilling disgusting such information out in the open. That didn't seem to work out too well, and that, was that, as far as I was concerned.

At some point, there seemed to be an intentional focus towards me where the nastiness ramped-up to a personal level. I asked him why right here on the Forum and in private why. The only real response I got was something along the lines of me being on a High horse(perhaps some moral High horse) regarding cheaters/hustlers/cons and gray areas and somehow I thought I was better than them.

I have no idea where he came up with that. The only thing I've ever really said about that is, I personally don't want to do anything that could land me in jail such as marking cards, rigging machines and various other forms of blatant cheating. I basically said, I have my own personal line that I draw. I don't even claim that these are ethical or moral reasons.
Everyone has their own personal line. If I recall correctly, JK won't even take advantage of a hole card situations and various other methods that are used regularly used and celebrated.

I have admitted many times that I have shot casino angles and worked in the dark gray areas. Personally, I'm willing to take advantage of casinos in any way that I feel comfortable with, however, I draw a very hard and thick line when it comes to cheating, conning, ripping off or f****** over individuals and those are for personal moral and ethical reasons.

I explained something similar to him on the Forum and asked what his issue was with me a number of times, but he never really responded with anything solid and his vitriol towards me continued.

There's a huge difference between guys like Blackhole vs Monet. For starters, I've never met blackhole and he's not an Advantage Player. I knew going in he had to stain for Advantage Players. I kind of understand where blackhole is coming from(even though he's been very nasty to me and I have been mostly civil to him) he's even explained his position regarding this stuff, including his dislike for me, even if I don't agree with him, at least I understand the situation.

Also, unless it's a predetermined meet up, there's very little chance my and BH's paths will cross.

All this bullshit back and forth on the forums is highly unlikely to have any type have effect on anyone's life, unless one of those people is actually disturbed in real life, I don't believe blackhole is disturbed in real life.

There's more than a good chance that I will in fact cross paths with Monet given the fact that he lives in Las Vegas, I believe he still plays, and he certainly knows a few old school guys that I know/knew. Therefore, that could in fact have real life undesirable consequences, if nothing else, it would certainly be an uncomfortable situation. It's certainly not a good situation, especially when that person has said some things online that are a bit unusual and you have no clue why that person is going after you with what seems to be true hate and disdain.

[AxelWolf]

To be fair, I think you're referring to what Monet said. Monet has yet to meet anyone from the forums that he hasn't talked shit about afterward. As far as I know.

The meeting between Axel and Monet must have been really ugly, Monet hasn't stopped bashing Axel every chance he gets, and Axel who responds to everyone eventually, NEVER responds to Monet. I believe he holds that special title. He has even responded to Blackholes constant bashing, negativity on several occasions.

I think it went down like this.

Axel said he would show up is someone would show him the money.

This guy shows up and Axel says"Ok, show me the money"

The guy raises his arms and says, "Here is the Monet".

Axel won't talk to him as a result

Okay, had to read that twice, it took me a second. Still trying to decide if it was funny or not.

[AxelWolf]

dupe

[Darkoz]

The meeting between Axel and Monet must have been really ugly, Monet hasn't stopped bashing Axel every chance he gets, and Axel who responds to everyone eventually, NEVER responds to Monet. I believe he holds that special title. He has even responded to Blackholes constant bashing, negativity on several occasions.

I think it went down like this.

Axel said he would show up is someone would show him the money.

This guy shows up and Axel says"Ok, show me the money"

The guy raises his arms and says, "Here is the Monet".

Axel won't talk to him as a result

Okay, had to read that twice, it took me a second. Still trying to decide if it was funny or not.

It was meant to be funny

My children always tell me NOT to do standup comedy. In their honest opinion

[LMR]

You guys are no different, from anyone else, when it comes right down it. Just a bunch of chickens talking shit.

Anyone have any Lysol? This asstard LMR here is farting again.

The place doesn't sound so foul, anymore, with old man Singer out of the picture. We're down to Mickey lite.

The old west? Nah. More like a candy shoppe. Say, I think that I'll convert the old real fake Bus, to a Candy Shoppe.

First entry, Chocolate Monet. Next, we have, Bob 21-Balls. That's Bob-Bob's, for short. Then, Singer Suckers. How about some Hot Toddy Potty? This could be an alternative to the old standby, TablePoop. And, Candy Boz.

Only another thirty or so pages to go, of about eight hundred, with the other thing I was working on.

[accountinquestion]

The meeting between Axel and Monet must have been really ugly, Monet hasn't stopped bashing Axel every chance he gets, and Axel who responds to everyone eventually, NEVER responds to Monet. I believe he holds that special title. He has even responded to Blackholes constant bashing, negativity on several occasions.

I think it went down like this.

Axel said he would show up is someone would show him the money.

This guy shows up and Axel says"Ok, show me the money"

The guy raises his arms and says, "Here is the Monet".

Axel won't talk to him as a result

Okay, had to read that twice, it took me a second. Still trying to decide if it was funny or not.

I found it very funny but I only know of Monet from the past year on this forums. Given that context it worked well. I also believed it could have been possibly true and some next level trolling by Monet.

[monet]

I found it very funny but I only know of Monet from the past year on this forums. Given that context it worked well. I also believed it could have been possibly true and some next level trolling by Monet.

No trolling.
Everything I say, I can back up.
I don't like phonies.
Guy and his crew paint some fairy tale bullshit online.
All around the campfire singing kumbaya.
In real life it isn't like that.
They are doing every shady tactic you can think of.
Which is fine.
Either admit it or don't talk about it.
Don't tell everyone you are a choir boy online but act like a devil in the real world.
Like I said before, I'm a bad guy and a no good son of a bitch.
I don't sit here and tell you everything I do is grey and within the scope of the law.
It's all about Lie, Cheat and Steal but these Motherfuckers would have you believe its Church Time.
Don't worry about it.
Most of you don't get it or care actually.
Sort of like why I say slant eyed slurping noodles all the time.
It isn't because I'm racist.
It's because that clown Redietz said this place is a Far Alt Right Site because Dan let Singer post Slant Eyed Chinks Slurping Noodles.
That Chink Shit never bothers me.
I'm married to a Slope, so whatever.

You want to think moving around machines and holding 4 of a kinds to keep claiming bonuses is honest work, go ahead and believe that bullshit.
You think using walkie talkies to scoop up Flush Attacks is honest AP work... blah... its just scambling, which I approve of.
Sleeping at machines during Tax Bonus Day waiting 3 hours to get paid...
Telling me how you never drink while working but drink yourself into a Captain Morgan Coma lol.
I've seen it for 30 years in this town.
Don't post about how you are the golden crew/boy.
I'll tell you how it really is.

Fucking Assholes were pming me telling me to stop posting up information.
Fuck Them... I'll post up what I want, when I want.
You don't really get it... they like to use the pm back doors to gain players cards or people to pick up their free play around the country and they like to preach online how honest they are.
It's all smoke and mirrors online.
The real life is a damn difficult grind and if you aren't pushing the edge or doing shady shit you got no chance.

[kewlJ]

I found it very funny but I only know of Monet from the past year on this forums. Given that context it worked well. I also believed it could have been possibly true and some next level trolling by Monet.

No trolling.
Everything I say, I can back up.
I don't like phonies.
Guy and his crew paint some fairy tale bullshit online.
All around the campfire singing kumbaya.
In real life it isn't like that.
They are doing every shady tactic you can think of.
Which is fine.
Either admit it or don't talk about it.
Don't tell everyone you are a choir boy online but act like a devil in the real world.
Like I said before, I'm a bad guy and a no good son of a bitch.
I don't sit here and tell you everything I do is grey and within the scope of the law.
It's all about Lie, Cheat and Steal but these Motherfuckers would have you believe its Church Time.
Don't worry about it.
Most of you don't get it or care actually.
Sort of like why I say slant eyed slurping noodles all the time.
It isn't because I'm racist.
It's because that clown Redietz said this place is a Far Alt Right Site because Dan let Singer post Slant Eyed Chinks Slurping Noodles.
That Chink Shit never bothers me.
I'm married to a Slope, so whatever.

You want to think moving around machines and holding 4 of a kinds to keep claiming bonuses is honest work, go ahead and believe that bullshit.
You think using walkie talkies to scoop up Flush Attacks is honest AP work... blah... its just scambling, which I approve of.
Sleeping at machines during Tax Bonus Day waiting 3 hours to get paid...
Telling me how you never drink while working but drink yourself into a Captain Morgan Coma lol.
I've seen it for 30 years in this town.
Don't post about how you are the golden crew/boy.
I'll tell you how it really is.

Fucking Assholes were pming me telling me to stop posting up information.
Fuck Them... I'll post up what I want, when I want.
You don't really get it... they like to use the pm back doors to gain players cards or people to pick up their free play around the country and they like to preach online how honest they are.
It's all smoke and mirrors online.
The real life is a damn difficult grind and if you aren't pushing the edge or doing shady shit you got no chance.

Note to Axelwolf and others wondering why I am extremely hesitant to meet up with anyone: This guy and guys like him are the reason. Monet is completely insane. And unfortunately he is not an isolated example or situation. There are a number of completely bonkers people who are part of or have infiltrated the AP community. Their top priority is to do harm to other AP's. AP's that for whatever reason have made their list. They will harm themselves and out plays just to do harm to a couple AP's on their shit list, a list that usually has nothing to do with advantage play. Monet did that when he came here and started outing plays that he knew people were playing.

And like I said he is not an isolated case. I have been dealing with several people just like this. One said he was going to circulate pictures of me to the casinos here in Las Vegas and then showed up at my door. Another at WoV a couple years ago, flat out was asking the membership for any kind of personal info on me. Wizard quickly banned that clown. Of course THIS forum welcomes them.

People like Monet are the reason most AP's choose to have nothing to do with forum activity. And they are the reason, people like me see no value in meeting up with people from forums, something I am often criticized for.

[MDawg]

Anyone who is accomplishing anything is liable to pick up detractors, in real life or on the internet.

All this jealousy and envy coming from my enemies!

In my case there was some oddball at the WOV who came out of nowhere and claimed to be some kind of Vegas casino employee and that he was aware that the casinos were looking into something or other related to why I was getting so many comps. Of course his story fell apart because he declared this smack in the middle of coronavirus lockdown when no casinos were open at all, let alone investigating some anonymous figure on the internet, and also later he let slip that he lived in Minnesota.

And of course the assortment of sock puppets who followed me around like dutiful puppy dogs trying to get my attention, or get me suspended from WOV.

Probably I post so many details of my Adventures only because of the relative anonymity of the internet.


As far as what you're getting at specifically, I don't know why so many have such negative things to say about Axel (you included, J), but might the simple reason be that what they say is true?

[kewlJ]

As far as what you're getting at specifically, I don't know why so many have such negative things to say about Axel (you included, J), but might the simple reason simply be that what they say is true?

I don't think I have "so many" negative things to say about Axelwolf. If I have an issue with him, yeah, I'll let him know. Usually those issue have to do with him hounding me for this very thing, not having met up with or had a desire to meet up with the LV AP crowd. I am a solo type blackjack card counting AP and I just don't see much benefit in meeting up with people just to throw down a few beers. People that later may turn on you and can do damage to your career. If I was looking to join a team or something, that would be different. But in my circumstance I see little benefit and that is why I have only met 2 very long term, well know AP's.

But each time Axelwolf brings this up and some times it isn't even him that brings it up, but he weighs in with a comment about "this guy KJ has never met anyone. No one even knows who he is", it only serves to discredit me. Sometimes I think that is what his goal is.

But I don't dislike Axelwolf either. I don't know if I am supposed to not mention this, but he is one of several people that put in a good word for me, when Wizard was considering re-instating me recently. I also have had a number of thoughtful, productive PM exchanges with Axelwolf about different topics.

I just get the feeling that he feels offended that I have little interest in meeting up with players from forums, that he thinks that is a slight or something being he is a longtime, Las Vegas AP. I am just saying, people like this monet A-hole are the exact reason why some of us see no reason to meet up with other players. It is also the reason so many AP's dont even have shit to do with these forums.

[The Boz]

As far as what you're getting at specifically, I don't know why so many have such negative things to say about Axel (you included, J), but might the simple reason simply be that what they say is true?

I don't think I have "so many" negative things to say about Axelwolf. If I have an issue with him, yeah, I'll let him know. Usually those issue have to do with him hounding me for this very thing, not having met up with or had a desire to meet up with the LV AP crowd. I am a solo type blackjack card counting AP and I just don't see much benefit in meeting up with people just to throw down a few beers. People that later may turn on you and can do damage to your career. If I was looking to join a team or something, that would be different. But in my circumstance I see little benefit and that is why I have only met 2 very long term, well know AP's.

But each time Axelwolf brings this up and some times it isn't even him that brings it up, but he weighs in with a comment about "this guy KJ has never met anyone. No one even knows who he is", it only serves to discredit me. Sometimes I think that is what his goal is.

But I don't dislike Axelwolf either. I don't know if I am supposed to not mention this, but he is one of several people that put in a good word for me, when Wizard was considering re-instating me recently. I also have had a number of thoughtful, productive PM exchanges with Axelwolf about different topics.

I just get the feeling that he feels offended that I have little interest in meeting up with players from forums, that he thinks that is a slight or something being he is a longtime, Las Vegas AP. I am just saying, people like this monet A-hole are the exact reason why some of us see no reason to meet up with other players. It is also the reason so many AP's dont even have shit to do with these forums.

Nope, it’s all about his openness about his cock size that has you excited. As someone who respects Axel more than most know, he fucked up sticking up for you with the Wizard. No clue why anyone who would defend a drama queen like you who has never proven anything. Even Zenking realized you are full of shit.

But good for you. I’m guessing you will be headed to Arizona for some cock soon.

[jbjb]

We're due for another ZK tirade.

[Tasha]

We're due for another ZK tirade.

To be fair, Zenking eased up on the Tirade rants for the most part after his crazy rant on WOV got him banned from there. He has only ranted like three times after that infamous tirade on WOV.

[monet]

I’m guessing you will be headed to Arizona for some cock soon.

Only if they are taking the proper precautions wearing a face mask and gloves.
Condom Optional I guess.

[The Boz]

I’m guessing you will be headed to Arizona for some cock soon.

Only if they are taking the proper precautions wearing a face mask and gloves.
Condom Optional I guess.

Nope, I think Billy gives up the caring act when cock is involved.

[The Boz]

Let’s talk about KJ a little. This is a guy who had to deal with so much shit over the years from his involvement on forums but says he only wants to “help” people. Not a one if us believes that, even if they like him. It’s obvious he has nothing in his life and needs the drama on here. Facts:

The guy says he was robbed and had to fake his own death. Who the fuck would come back after that?
Says people follow him. Again, why stick around instead of raping casinos and staying under the radar?
Has feuded with almost everyone on these forums for years.
Never has met anyone and has never proven he is a real gambler.
Spins tales of being under the radar for years raping casinos that most BJ players feel is impossible.
Begs to be left back on a forum that banned him to continue the cycle.

All facts that make zero sense.

Speculation:

He has denied paying or sucking the Wizard off to get back on his forum. He has not denied letting Wizard fuck him, paying hookers to flash the Wizard or sticking a finger in his ass. These options make as much sense as the Wizard allowing a guy back who he said is “dead to him”.

Bottom line is NO ONE knows if this KJ even lives in Vegas, ever played BJ or even isn’t a Tasha sock.

No proof at all he isn’t a long term internet troll. How many posters can you say that about? Certainly not most of us on here.

[kewlJ]

You are one sick fuck Boz.