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  1. #7281
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    But that has nothing to do with the silly claims of Messrs Belly and Mdawg.
    Is there any evidence that could be presented on this forum that would convince you
    that MDawg's check shown to the Wizard represents only his table game winnings,
    and the amount does not include any cash buy-ins at the tables?

  2. #7282
    LOL. When I get my check with the "Man Whoring Earnings" notation, I'll hire coach belly to ask if there is any evidence that would convince the world I didn't earn it Man-Whoring.

    You know, coach used a pretty common anti-debunking argument in the above post. By asking the question, "Is there any evidence that would convince?" when of course there isn't, the person asked the question is forced to reply "No." Then the person replying "No" is framed as unreasonable and impervious to argument, which of course is a crock.

    I'm going to whip up a "Man-Whoring Earnings" check and run a parallel argument to coach's nonsense. Nobody is going to provide evidence I didn't earn my "Man-Whoring" notation, so if you don't believe it, you are being unreasonable and impervious to evidence.
    Last edited by redietz; 05-24-2021 at 11:51 AM.

  3. #7283
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    But that has nothing to do with the silly claims of Messrs Belly and Mdawg.
    Is there any evidence that could be presented on this forum that would convince you
    that MDawg's check shown to the Wizard represents only his table game winnings,
    and the amount does not include any cash buy-ins at the tables?
    Yes. A statement from the casino.

    There are no Nevada gaming regulations that support your claim. But if the casino says that's how they do it then that's how they do it.

    It appears no one on this forum believes that's how they issue checks.

    Provide the name of the casino. I'll call them.

  4. #7284
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    The amount that was bet is listed on the W2G form
    I'm not sure that is accurate.

    There are several images of W2Gs available to view using google,
    including the following...

    Name:  
Views: 
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    Thanks for the correction. Perhaps I should not have generalized, though it does contribute to my point that bet amount is irrelevant.

    Anyway, bad assumption on my part. Every W-2G that I recall getting had a spot for bet amount.

  5. #7285
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    It appears no one on this forum believes that's how they issue checks.
    It's not clear to me what you mean by "how they issue checks".

    Do you mean issued with the verified win notation on the check,
    or issued only for table game wins and not including cash buy-ins?

    As far as which casino to call, my understanding is that very few offer midi-Baccarat,
    so that narrows it down quite a bit.

    But I can't provide the name of the casino right now,
    perhaps when the trip is concluded the location will be revealed.

  6. #7286
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    By asking the question, "Is there any evidence that would convince?" when of course there isn't, the person asked the question is forced to reply "No."
    When was the last time you got anything right, you fucking ditz ?

    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Yes. A statement from the casino.

  7. #7287
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    The amount that was bet is listed on the W2G form
    I'm not sure that is accurate.

    There are several images of W2Gs available to view using google,
    including the following...

    Name:  
Views: 
Size:
    Thanks for the correction. Perhaps I should not have generalized, though it does contribute to my point that bet amount is irrelevant.

    Anyway, bad assumption on my part. Every W-2G that I recall getting had a spot for bet amount.
    In the "Type of Wager" box, a denomination is usually listed. Probably where the confusion lies.

  8. #7288
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    In the "Type of Wager" box, a denomination is usually listed. Probably where the confusion lies.
    Do they list the denomination, or the amount of the bet?

    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    The amount that was bet is listed on the W2G form

  9. #7289
    I've never seen an accurate "bet amount". It's usually just the smallest denomination on said machine. I think mainly they put $0.25.

  10. #7290
    Its irrelevant what denomination is listed. Why bother with this trivia.

  11. #7291
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Its irrelevant what denomination is listed. Why bother with this trivia.
    It`s very relevant to "Coach" Sandusky, er I mean Belly....This fucktard has nothing better to do for hours on end than to sit here and ask his dumb fucking questions

  12. #7292
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Its irrelevant what denomination is listed. Why bother with this trivia.
    I guess because it proves my statement wrong, which I believe I've already acknowledged. So, now the question is, "How wrong?"

    Beginning to doubt my recollection, (since I do not have any W-2G's this year, no forms are in my wallet, which is where they'd usually be until the end of the year) I did a Google Search for, "W-2G Form," and found that most do not list a separate line item for wager amount, though some do have such a line item. Therefore, I was mostly wrong, but probably right about at least one of the ones that I've received.

  13. #7293
    Mission you were not wrong. The side issue of the wager amount on the W2G is irrelevant. You had the correct Information.

    And yes, sometimes the wager amount appears and sometimes it doesn't. Dont get sucked in to some stupid, irrelevant side issue discussion aimed to derail the discussion.

  14. #7294
    I appreciate it, AndrewG, but being provably wrong in any aspect is still less than ideal.

  15. #7295
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Dont get sucked in to some stupid, irrelevant side issue discussion aimed to derail the discussion.
    You derailed a table games check discussion by bringing up 7-11s and slot jackpots.

    You clearly do not understand what money laundering is if you think
    that accepting a check in your real name can't qualify as money laundering.

    Google money laundering in casinos and get a clue.

    Then go load up your favorite VP machine with a couple thousand in cash,
    cash out the credits, present the ticket at the cage, and ask for payment with a check.

    Report back what happens.

  16. #7296
    I did not really read what you guys are arguing about or why checks were brought up. There are various ways to get a check from the casinos when winning, losing, or breaking even. I can think of 3 ways off the top of my head. I was receiving so many checks from a casino that after about 4 months(that took 4 months), management finally called me up and asked me to come in and explain why I was requesting so many checks before they would issue my pending request, I was upfront with them. The guy said, "no problem, but can you keep it to x amount per month, it causes lots of extra work for the financial department". Apparently, It doesn't even have to be a good reason just a logical explanation. The guy didn't seem to be worried about money laundering, he was more worried I may have been doing something funny with the checks after I got them, however, he admitted that didn't make any sense to him either since all the checks that had been cashed were as they should have been.

  17. #7297
    I called the cage at one casino today and asked them about their check policy on table games.

    SURPRISE. The cage CONFIRMED what Messrs Mdawg and Belly have been saying: that a check will be issued only for verified table game PROFITS.

    I had a lengthy discussion with all sorts of scenarios and they said you need a PROFIT to get a check even if you bought in, for example, with $50k and were cashing out $25k.

    BUT they also said they do make exceptions for frequent players.

    This is also their policy, they said. Other casinos may operate differently.

    Perhaps by coincidence I called the same casino where Mr Mdawg plays. Or, other casinos might also have this policy.

    Too bad Mr Wizard didnt see the actual check instead of a copy.

  18. #7298
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    I called the cage at one casino today and asked them about their check policy on table games.

    SURPRISE. The cage CONFIRMED what Messrs Mdawg and Belly have been saying: that a check will be issued only for verified table game PROFITS.

    I had a lengthy discussion with all sorts of scenarios and they said you need a PROFIT to get a check even if you bought in, for example, with $50k and were cashing out $25k.

    BUT they also said they do make exceptions for frequent players.

    This is also their policy, they said. Other casinos may operate differently.

    Perhaps by coincidence I called the same casino where Mr Mdawg plays. Or, other casinos might also have this policy.

    Too bad Mr Wizard didnt see the actual check instead of a copy.
    Whatever check you are referring to, did it say exactly what the check was issued for? Without that, it's meaningless.

    Casinos have lots of policies, rules, and regulations they don't follow, but it's not like they are going to admit such things based on a phone call.

  19. #7299
    The scenarios I discussed -- and at great lengths -- were about getting a check when cashing in chips from table games.

    If you had a profit you could get a check.
    No profit you get cash.

    They also said they'd make exceptions to that policy for regular players. They also said they usually dont give checks for less than five thousand.

  20. #7300
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    They also said they'd make exceptions to that policy for regular players.
    This is really the key to this whole thing and certainly what we are talking abiut here with a guy who claims he has been a hotel guest for weeks and months. No reason to discuss any further. And by the way, "regular players" is a pretty low bar. I would think most of us here probably qualify as "regular players" at a number of places.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

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