The WoV Thread

[kewlJ]

I guess when you have a nine inch cock, a former career as a 007 and a working relationship with Mossad you can pretty much rule internet forums.

Or a very bitter old man, with none of that, no money, no home, a small, shriveled pecker he can't even get hard, mooching off his kids, angry about his life decisions, gambling addiction and where he has ended up in life.....with nothing.

I feel sorry for him, but am just sick of his shit of being a complete prick towards everyone because he fucked up and made bad decisions. If you are that miserable that you can only be a complete prick to everyone, just die already.

[mickeycrimm]

I guess when you have a nine inch cock, a former career as a 007 and a working relationship with Mossad you can pretty much rule internet forums.

Or a very bitter old man, with none of that, no money, no home, a small, shriveled pecker he can't even get hard, mooching off his kids, angry about his life decisions, gambling addiction and where he has ended up in life.....with nothing.

I feel sorry for him, but am just sick of his shit of being a complete prick towards everyone because he fucked up and made bad decisions. If you are that miserable that you can only be a complete prick to everyone, just die already.

KJ, you willingly make up bogus "facts" to feed your need to troll Singer. YOU won't quit. You clearly are addicted to the troll. It's sad that you can't let it go.

Here we have this shyster, Professor Slots, entering the picture. Not one peep out of you about him. I thought you went after clowns like that. That's what you said you do.

[kewlJ]

I guess when you have a nine inch cock, a former career as a 007 and a working relationship with Mossad you can pretty much rule internet forums.

Or a very bitter old man, with none of that, no money, no home, a small, shriveled pecker he can't even get hard, mooching off his kids, angry about his life decisions, gambling addiction and where he has ended up in life.....with nothing.

I feel sorry for him, but am just sick of his shit of being a complete prick towards everyone because he fucked up and made bad decisions. If you are that miserable that you can only be a complete prick to everyone, just die already.

KJ, you willingly make up bogus "facts" to feed your need to troll Singer. YOU won't quit. You clearly are addicted to the troll. It's sad that you can't let it go.

Here we have this shyster, Professor Slots, entering the picture. Not one peep out of you about him. I thought you went after clowns like that. That's what you said you do.

And NOT a peep out of you when your buddy Singer continues to spew the nasty hate at me, mickey. So don't give me that crap.

As for professor slots, you seem to be doing a fine job. Look, I am not on twitter, except for a brief time when I followed you when you were sick and recovering. Then I dropped twitter. It is a platform that doesn't interest me. Likewise, I don't see any of these youtube videos and these shysters pushing their scams unless someone posts them here. I am not the gambling internet police. I do have a fulltime career ya know.

And the difference between twitter and youtube vs calling out bullshitters on these forums, is these are supposed to be gambling forums, providing legit gambling information and math. That was the actual mission statement for the forum when Shackleford launched WoV. So I strongly object to these people coming on a forum like that or even here and making claims that defy math. I believe AP's have a right and responsibility to call that out. I know other AP's, maybe including you, I don't know, may not share that view.

So look what calling out a few nut jobs has gotten me? My name and address has been posted on multiple forums and I am told it is circulation further by PM. That is what calling out a few trolls making math defying claims has cost me. As you know that kind of doxing is devasting for an advantage player and even more so for a blackjack type card counter. And you are telling me that I should go looking for more of that crap? Give me a break dude.

[MisterV]

KJ, did the douche dawg dox you?

[kewlJ]

KJ, did the douche dawg dox you?

It's like this MisterV. There is a forum that Mdawg posts at. It is not really a gambling forum, but rather a forum for writer's writing "stories", which is What Mdawg really is. So there is a gambling section and for the most part Mdawg is the only poster in that section where he posts everyday, posting his "gambling "stories" and has started separate thread about 15-20 members of this forum and WoV that he doesn't like. Former member here Moses also occasionally posts their as Moses and Mdawg have bonded and seem to be working together.

So on that forum, there was a brand new poster who in his first and only post, posted my name, street address, condo complex. It took contact from my attorney to get the owners to redact that information, but not until it had been up for a day.

So over at Gambling forums, where Moses posts multiple times a day (posting as Tater) and Mdawg now posts there as well, Moses has, I think 3 times now posted that same information. I am in a constant fight with the administrators there to remove the doxxing info. And the administrators (really one guy) wonders why no real players post there (because he allows doxxing).

So I can't definitively say whether the original doxing was Mdawg or Moses or probably the two working in cahoots. Moses knows where I live because he showed up at the building a couple years ago trying to get past security, after threatening to do just that on this very forum. THAT is why Dan Druff banned him from this forum.

My gut tells me it was Mdawg that made the first doxxing post and now Moses has repeated it 3 times.

[kewlJ]

Oh and I forgot to mention apparently somebody, one of these 2 lowlifes, or possible both together, is now circulation that info on several forums to select members by PM. Mdawg has bragged that my info is being circulated, so that is probably him. Not sure if he is using the Mdawg name or a sockpuppet account.

[redietz]

Obviously, even those of us who enjoy debunking far-fetched gambling tales can't evaluate and critique every YouTube nut. My personal rules are that I go after those flim flam artists who have made incursions into credible places. So I go after, first, those who get their stories on the six o'clock news or in USA Today. Next I try to debunk those posting on allegedly credible gambling sites.

[mickeycrimm]

Or a very bitter old man, with none of that, no money, no home, a small, shriveled pecker he can't even get hard, mooching off his kids, angry about his life decisions, gambling addiction and where he has ended up in life.....with nothing.

I feel sorry for him, but am just sick of his shit of being a complete prick towards everyone because he fucked up and made bad decisions. If you are that miserable that you can only be a complete prick to everyone, just die already.

KJ, you willingly make up bogus "facts" to feed your need to troll Singer. YOU won't quit. You clearly are addicted to the troll. It's sad that you can't let it go.

Here we have this shyster, Professor Slots, entering the picture. Not one peep out of you about him. I thought you went after clowns like that. That's what you said you do.

And NOT a peep out of you when your buddy Singer continues to spew the nasty hate at me, mickey. So don't give me that crap.

How many times has Singer not posted for weeks at a time? What do you do during that time? You troll the shit out of him practically everyday. YOU can't let it go. You are addicted to it. There is only so much he is going to take then he's going to come back and fire back at you. You deserve the trolling you get from Singer because YOU can't give it a break. But I'm sure you will make some shit up to say it ain't so.

You should have had better sense than to go after MDawg as hard as you did. You are as viscious as they get when you got it in for someone. You were fucking with someone that's a lawyer and knows how to obtain hard information from incomplete information. You told enough about yourself in these forums that it just wasn't hard for someone with his experience to trace you down. Your doxxing is your own fault.

[kewlJ]

How many times has Singer not posted for weeks at a time? What do you do during that time? You troll the shit out of him practically everyday. YOU can't let it go. You are addicted to it. There is only so much he is going to take then he's going to come back and fire back at you. You deserve the trolling you get from Singer because YOU can't give it a break. But I'm sure you will make some shit up to say it ain't so.

You are wrong mickey. It is usually Singer that starts it up again. I am actually pretty satisfied and have been for for a while now, that Singer is completely debunked, mostly of his own doing. No one believes his crap. So for you, I will not mention him again, until he attacks me. Then I will fire back twice as hard....as per the mickeycrimm playbook. It is 11:56pm Dec 4, 2021. Let's just see who starts up first.

[mickeycrimm]

How many times has Singer not posted for weeks at a time? What do you do during that time? You troll the shit out of him practically everyday. YOU can't let it go. You are addicted to it. There is only so much he is going to take then he's going to come back and fire back at you. You deserve the trolling you get from Singer because YOU can't give it a break. But I'm sure you will make some shit up to say it ain't so.

You are wrong mickey. It is usually Singer that starts it up again. I am actually pretty satisfied and have been for for a while now, that Singer is completely debunked, mostly of his own doing. No one believes his crap. So for you, I will not mention him again, until he attacks me. Then I will fire back twice as hard....as per the mickeycrimm playbook. It is 11:56pm Dec 4, 2021. Let's just see who starts up first.

You attacked him yesterday. He hasn't responded yet. Now you say if he attacks you back it will be him that is starting the shit? You're an idiot.

[kewlJ]

You attacked him yesterday. He hasn't responded yet. Now you say if he attacks you back it will be him that is starting the shit? You're an idiot.

No, YOU are an idiot. AND a hypocrite. YOU attacked him for years. And for good reason. Now you want to be like "Oh poor Rob. He is unfairly getting picked on". Bullshit! I have never been anything but respectful to you. Look what I get in return. Read your signature line. You drag me into your feud with Maxpen....every single time you post. Fuck you. If anybody is anybody's dicklicker and ass kisser, it is YOU being Singer's bitch.

[mcap]

Manservant Mickey is back.

[mickeycrimm]

You attacked him yesterday. He hasn't responded yet. Now you say if he attacks you back it will be him that is starting the shit? You're an idiot.

No, YOU are an idiot. AND a hypocrite. YOU attacked him for years. And for good reason. Now you want to be like "Oh poor Rob. He is unfairly getting picked on". Bullshit! I have never been anything but respectful to you. Look what I get in return. Read your signature line. You drag me into your feud with Maxpen....every single time you post. Fuck you. If anybody is anybody's dicklicker and ass kisser, it is YOU being Singer's bitch.

LOL! You can't help yourself. You are addicted to the troll. I didn't say anything about Singer getting "picked on." I was talking about how you look. Just trying to get you to see the light. But you're lost. You've lost all credibility. I was over there on GF last night reading MDawg, tater....and YOU. They wiped the floor with your ass but you keep coming back for more. Go ahead. It's your reputation you've ruined.

[mickeycrimm]

Manservant Mickey is back.

Manservant and KJ's cocksucker, mcap is back.

[redietz]

Manservant Mickey is back.

I guess I have a hard time with what some people define as "trolling." I had the same issue at WoV, so I looked up the definition. The definition is "to antagonize (others) online by posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments."

Now, being an old journalist, I see a real problem with that definition. The problem is that two, and perhaps all three, of the criteria listed (inflammatory, irrelevant, offensive) are not defined by the content of the post. Whether something is "inflammatory" or "offensive" can be defined by another party reading the post, therefore literally anything can be defined as "trolling" because the definition can be entirely subjective. It relies on the reaction of the person reading the information, rather than the denotative meaning of the information.

For example, I had a friend who was a cab driver. He drove in a college town, and students are notoriously poor tippers. It turned out that he was a favorite driver for black students, who were especially bad tippers. He posted a sign in his cab, "Don't be niggardly. Tip the driver." Well, as you can imagine, this was interpreted as meaning something it simply did not mean. Was he "trolling?" He used the word "niggardly" correctly to the letter, but how people interpreted it was on them. Similarly, a couple of lines ago, I used the phrase "black students" without capitalizing the "B" in black. Is that trolling because some will find it offensive? If so, all the word "trolling" does is allow anyone to be offended and to accuse people of "trolling" like it's a terrible thing.

So, for mickey, here's the question. If I matter-of-factly state that Singer posted photos of himself in a Newell at a dealership, that he said it was his, and that the RV dealer, if you call the place, will affirm that Singer was there doing that -- is that "trolling" by mickey's definition? It's absolute fact, it doesn't insult Singer, and it can be verified. If that is "trolling," then any fact that someone doesn't like or doesn't want repeated is "trolling." Literally anything can be "trolling."

So mickey, Singer posed in an RV that wasn't his, said it was, and presented a title with the same handwriting on every line. Is that "trolling" as you understand it?

I think this is a big cultural problem. People retreat to their own little online domes and claim every fact that they prefer to not be true is some kind of "trolling." I can no longer run a six minute mile. Did I just "troll" myself? It's inflammatory, because it suggests I'm out of shape. It's "offensive" if I want it to be. So I get to decide what it means. Obviously, anyone who says I can't run a six minute mile is "trolling" me. It's true, of course, but I guess that has nothing to do with whether it's "trolling" or not.

"Trolling" has become a pussified way to accuse someone of not sucking up to what you want them to believe.

[Mission146]

Thanks, Mission. I failed to mention that when Roy Roemer appointed the Gaming Commission members he told them he wanted the gaming regulations strictly enforced on both gamblers and casino employee's. The Commission has taken a tough line ever since. Casino employee's probably report the credit hustling because they themselves don't want to get on the wrong side with the Gaming Commission.

BTW, I hung your Nutty Professor article on Twitter. I have 1300 followers so it will get some views.

That's awesome, thanks for the pop!

I'm already getting feedback. Several people have liked the article. One guy commented that Professor Slots probably makes more than slot AP's because of all the gullible people in the world.

What was he talking about in that quoted E-Mail? His site may not be more popular than WoO/WoV (and never will be), but I'm pretty confident comparing his Youtube channel to my articles will show that he's well more than 10x more popular than I (personally) am already.

Some people want to have delusions created/fed for them...delusion will always be more popular than cold, hard, facts. That's why religion does so well. In a few years, I'll still be right and he'll still (probably) be delusional...doesn't matter what his site does.

It sure does say a lot that he doesn't defend his methods, but rather goes straight to personal popularity.

[Mission146]

More than that, I threw down my gauntlet at the end of the article:

With that, should he happen to read this and consider anything that I have said unfair, then I will accept a one hour Zoom meeting with him (I won’t even charge for my service) where he is free to offer a rebuttal to anything that I have said and we can have a debate as to the merits of his strategies.


My terms are that he can publish it on Youtube as long as the entire meeting is unedited and uncut. We will also follow a format by which we have roughly equal time to speak. On my side, I will post a follow-up article that includes a transcript of our conversation. He'll make money on the Youtube platform and I'll make money for writing the article.

Or, if he wants to go one on one without recording the conversation, I'll also entertain that. If he can prove, to my satisfaction, that anything I said was wrong---then I will follow-up and retract those parts in one way or another.

He can also go create a WoV account and engage me in the Forums or in the Comment section of that article.

Long story short, I'm not hard to find if he wishes to defend his assertions.

[Mission146]

In response to KewlJ:

1.) Unlike MDawg, Professor Slots is directly selling something, namely his book, online course (or whatever the hell you would call it) and hourly one-on-ones for $297/hour. Also, in my opinion, he is targeting perhaps the most myth-oriented segment of gamblers out there---slot machine players.

2.) ProfessorSlots was brought to my attention in a thread started by OdiousGambit, so it's not really the sort of information that I would be seeking out to know that there was anything to even call out.

I mean, if we're going to discuss who should be called out and who shouldn't---at least in terms of priority, then I'm going to start with people who are directly profiting on selling myths to a segment of players already strongly inclined to believe in myths. When you have a gambling message board, then it's my opinion that it's important to call certain things out in terms of the math, but you have to be really careful about shutting down someone who is talking about gambling and reporting results because that's a slippery slope if you're going to sanction anyone for that. People can try to replicate MDawg's (reported) results if they want to, and probably to their own peril, but he's not selling any information that is purported to teach people how to beat Baccarat.

[jbjb]

Anybody that watches any of the slot Youtubers on any regularity should've have some of 'ScammerSlots' videos show up in their feed.

[kewlJ]

I guess I have a hard time with what some people define as "trolling." I had the same issue at WoV, so I looked up the definition. The definition is "to antagonize (others) online by posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments."

I don't know how the dictionaries define 'trolling'. And that definition was probably pertaining to something different than what we are dealing with.

In the gambling community / gambling forums, it has taken a different meaning. It is a person, usually a losing degenerate type player, that makes claims of long time winning that defy math, and reality. There just is no mathematical basis to these claims. Singer, Mdawg, Moses all meet this criteria having made claims that defy math and reality for YEARS. Moses to a little bit lesser degree, because it is not the math that his claims defy, but more so the reality of being able to play any meaningful stakes on a regular basis where he claims, Reno. Again, it is years of this magical winning play.

As time goes on, and people look into these trolls, the second thing that is always present is that their stories and claims change.

With Singer, his initial claim of winning millions over 10 years playing a progression system changes when he introduced the double up bug claim that he had read about.

Mdawg's claim was 7 months of winning nearly every session, every day and when someone had his actual records disproving this, all of the sudden he changed his claim to "about even over those 7 months"

Moses burst onto the scene (blackjack forums) declaring he was a 10 year professional blackjack player. When things came to light, he changed that to he has won about 100k over the last 10 years. !0k a year, while living off other money, does not a professional player make. But it does fit with what a low limit player, which is all you can do in Reno might make.

The third element that is present is the attacking and lying about anyone who challenges these claims bases on math or the fact that they defy the way reality works. These attacks are usually very, very personal, and often include family members who never participated on anything and include vicious lies. All three of those mentioned responded to a legitimate challenge of their claims by attacking my sexuality and family members, my brother, my mother and my partner both before and after he passed away. This Singer character has attacked spouses that have passed away of three.... three different members, myself included, and apparently attacked a colleague at that Gambling Today paper after he had passed. These people (trolls) will stoop to any level to advance their claims, which defy math. This my friends is what a troll is in the gambling community and on gambling forums.

Now mickeycrimm says, Mdawg and Moses have kicked my ass with their trolling and lying. He is probably right. Just as Singer got the better of mickey for years. The fact is that it is hard to fight lies. And on forums like VCT or gambling forums that are lightly moderated and have no boundaries, the liars and trolls have a huge advantage. These lies and personal attacks are almost always more sensational than the truth. All one can do is fight back responding with the truth and hope most people are see and figure out the truth and figure out what adds up and what doesn't.

Anyone who legitimately challenges these claims that can NOT be, pays a price in attacks and lies. Mdawg has started over 15 threads each bearing the name of someone from here or WoV that has challenged him or said anything that he perceives as unfavorable.

In the world of trolling, these guys that are willing to cross over the line of truth and decency have a huge advantage. But the truth matters and will always come out and the trolls and liars exposed, as it has with each of these three particular cases. That is when they alter their stories and get really nasty. THIS is how trolling in the gambling community and gambling forums works.