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  1. #8181
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    I will give you that Mdawg is different that all these other scammers in that he isn't about making money. He is wealthy. I guess only he can tell you what it is really about. he is a wealthy dude, who likes to gamble. Loses overall. Gets nice comps and concessions. But losses overall, and for some reason, wants to convince everyone that he is a winning player, defying the math, on top of it.

    I don't know if you want to argue this, but it is almost certain that he is a former banned member at WoV, using a new account/handle. WoV used to be top notch in identifying sockpuppets and second accounts. I don't know what happened that they now seem to look the other way. Was it BBB that was the tech savy mod that was so good at that? Or has technology changed with the VPN's that it is now harder to do. We had this discussion with Dan Druff, who is still able to see through VPN's to identify multiple accounts and when he can't he requires members to unmask for a post so he can see IP addresses. WoV, post BBB either has fallen behind on this, or just no longer cares.

    So this is just my opinion, but I really believe the motivation behind the whole Mdawg fiasco was to make a mockery of both WoV and Wizard personally. If you consider that, he was a great success, driving away many legitimate long- time players and members in the process.

    That is my theory, but it is only a theory. It doesn't even really matter. What matters is if a member shows up claiming winning, winning, winning, for months on end, playing a -EV game, by altering his wagers and betting up during winning hand streaks, I or anyone else that has the desire has to be able to push back and say that is voodooism and not the way things work.
    I can't establish that MDawg is losing overall other than to say that all of his bets, as far as I can tell, come at an overall expected loss. Could he be up a few hundred grand after several months in Vegas? It's certainly mathematically possible. As you point out, it at least seems that one of his main concerns is that he is perceived as a winning player, so people can take from that whatever they want to. I wouldn't say that the mere act of winning is sufficient to deny the math and we did eventually get a retraction to the effect that he might be up or down a little bit.

    When was WoV ever, "Top-Notch," at identifying sock puppets or other handles? It certainly was not when I was an Administrator. My entire standard was that I either had an IP Match or I didn't. Nathan, for example, I had enough circumstantial stuff (I did a small amount of digging) to have dead to rights on sock puppetry, but my standard was an IP match.

    I couldn't tell you what BBB's methods were because IP Match was the standard anytime I was an Admin on there. If she wanted to ban someone for sock puppetry on any grounds other than an IP Match, then I would have told her that she has to absolutely prove her case to my satisfaction. Again, with Nathan, I was 100% sure that there were socks...but I tied my own hands with my own standard of proof. Basically, I had Nathan as other socks because of the IP's associated with that general area that were all the same cell phone provider. Like I said, could basically NOT be a coincidence. Nathan, whatever you want to say about her, was definitely smart enough to avoid logging into any sockpuppets (or, as Nathan) using a matching IP. It would have only taken one slip up, such as still being on an IP belonging to one of the others and navigating to the site (or already having it up whilst still being logged in) on the IP that account was not supposed to be on.

    Actually, the one time that I might have banned someone without having an IP Match, BBB didn't want to do that, so go figure. I hope that's not seen as me throwing her under the bus because I did not even so much as hint at such a thing when she was still active on the site and when I resigned.

    I think the VPN's could be an issue. Another thing that I will say when it comes to sock puppets is that BBB checked for IP matches for every single new member of the site almost religiously. For my part, you would have to at least be on the verge of trolling for me to even check for an IP match on you.
    Quite the battle of marathon posts between the two leaders. This post is partially why you scored a B- mod ranking at your buddy Rusty Shacklefords house, versus BBB putrid D- score.

  2. #8182
    Why would anyone be concerned with educating some YouTube blabbermouth. Much less anyone that makes their living of of other people's ignorance. I swear this world is full of retards anymore.....RIP

    You can't make this shit up.
    FraudJ's word is worth less than the prop cash in Singer's safe...RIP

  3. #8183
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Why would anyone be concerned with educating some YouTube blabbermouth. Much less anyone that makes their living of of other people's ignorance. I swear this world is full of retards anymore.....RIP

    You can't make this shit up.
    Using the word retard is offensive... Sike!

  4. #8184
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Why would anyone be concerned with educating some YouTube blabbermouth. Much less anyone that makes their living of of other people's ignorance. I swear this world is full of retards anymore.....RIP You can't make this shit up.
    Same dynamic applies when people face poor health or seemingly insurmountable odds: they often grab the closest life ring, religion.
    What, Me Worry?

  5. #8185
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Same dynamic applies when people face poor health or seemingly insurmountable odds: they often grab the closest life ring, religion.
    You people always confusing Religion with Faith.
    Two completely different things.

  6. #8186
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Mickey;

    I missed the last page of that linked E-Mail...what the hell is he talking about that he and his members have looked into it and not found advantage plays!? They only seem to have advantage plays?

    That guy is delusional and flatly wrong. You and I can demonstrate any number of advantages that are not only advantages, but are 100% wins. Is he really suggesting that, with an extreme example like a Golden Egypt with free Wilds for a spin on any two of the first three reels that a person is NOT at an advantage? How the hell can he figure that? Regal Riches one away on any of them? A Must-Hit one penny away from hitting?

    I'm picking extreme examples just because those are definitely advantages every time. I guess technically someone could lose on a Regal Riches yellow one away, but that's going to happen---what? One time in a few thousand? If there are advantages that can conceivably be found, which there definitely are, then there are variable returns that exist somewhere between that and the worst possible game state...so the objective is to find the play states in between the worst and best case scenarios and try to identify which ones are advantageous.

    This guy doesn't want any part of me in a debate; I'm sure of that much. It was already bad for him, but just reading that last E-Mail section, he is totally fucked if he tries me.
    I had seen some of Professor Slots material so blocked him when he followed me. Some other slot AP's did the same. I unblocked him after I read your article to invite him to join WoV and join in the thread about him. However, I put no faith in him actually doing so.

    I thought about whether I should show him slots that were exploitable by knowledgeable players. I decided to let sleeping dogs lie. If he finally realized certain slots could be exploited what would he do with the information. He already has a platform in place to sell information. He could possibly start selling legitimate information on advantage slots.

    There is one slot AP that propositioned Professor Slots on Twitter to a bet that his "just a taste" and/or "five spins per machine" tactics would lose money over a decent enough sample space. The Professors response was to block the propositioner.

    My idea is to not prove to the Professor that certains slots can be exploited but rather prove that his tactics don't really do anything, much less make a profit long term.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #8187
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    The Nutty Professor blocks anyone on Twitter that tries to get him in a debate on whether his methods work. I sent him a link to the WoV thread about him and suggested he join the conversation. But my guess is he will avoid all contact with knowledgeable gamblers.
    Blocking people rather than confronting them, huh? It sounds like his methods are totally legit. I'm strangely simultaneously getting closer to accepting that he's either a total scammer or is completely delusional, but not sure which one.

    That's what makes it hard to tell, sometimes. The delusional ones, similar to scammers, don't want to be confronted by those who can conclusively prove what they are saying wrong, or if not prove it, at least easily prevail in a reasonable debate on the matter.

  8. #8188
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post

    Quite the battle of marathon posts between the two leaders. This post is partially why you scored a B- mod ranking at your buddy Rusty Shacklefords house, versus BBB putrid D- score.
    I guess I can hang my hat on being above average at something. You've got to take the small victories.

  9. #8189
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    You're a fucking assclown. You call me an idiot then tell me you have been nothing but respectful to me then tell me I'm Singer's bitch. Dude, you are fucked up.
    Crimm, I have great respect for you as an AP, of your math ability and machine knowledge. I have great respect that on a dime, you quit drinking and turned your life around. Few life long alcoholics can do that. I have always tried to BE respectful, even when we disagree. But you are now Singer's bitch. That is just a fact.

    I can appreciate that Singer offered you a truce and you jumped. Good for you. But the fact is everything you argued for years was correct and you know it. You claim to have looked into Singer just as others of us have done. Did you find any record of property ownership at any time? No. But you saw the records of evictions, judgements, bankruptcies, some at a time after he claims to have been making millions gambling. All at a time he claims to have been a highly paid something or other working for the government.

    Now what about the claims of the RV? Pictures taken in an RV at a dealership pretending it was his (that was verified by the dealership General manager)? What about the bill of sale, with NO company logo or letter head, just on a plain white piece of paper with all signatures matching? What about selling this so called RV for half a million in hours sight unseen to someone half way around the world? Is that the way half million dollar purchases go down? You stay strangely silent on all that.

    I don't know what you promised Singer, but you can't revise the facts and truth like you are attempting to do so.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 12-05-2021 at 12:59 PM.

  10. #8190
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Why would anyone be concerned with educating some YouTube blabbermouth. Much less anyone that makes their living of of other people's ignorance. I swear this world is full of retards anymore.....RIP

    You can't make this shit up.
    You do realize that I get paid to write articles, yes? There's your, "Why?"

  11. #8191
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Same dynamic applies when people face poor health or seemingly insurmountable odds: they often grab the closest life ring, religion.
    You people always confusing Religion with Faith.
    Two completely different things.
    And equally stupid---just not equally destructive.

  12. #8192
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I had seen some of Professor Slots material so blocked him when he followed me. Some other slot AP's did the same. I unblocked him after I read your article to invite him to join WoV and join in the thread about him. However, I put no faith in him actually doing so.

    I thought about whether I should show him slots that were exploitable by knowledgeable players. I decided to let sleeping dogs lie. If he finally realized certain slots could be exploited what would he do with the information. He already has a platform in place to sell information. He could possibly start selling legitimate information on advantage slots.

    There is one slot AP that propositioned Professor Slots on Twitter to a bet that his "just a taste" and/or "five spins per machine" tactics would lose money over a decent enough sample space. The Professors response was to block the propositioner.

    My idea is to not prove to the Professor that certains slots can be exploited but rather prove that his tactics don't really do anything, much less make a profit long term.
    I wouldn't recommend showing him anything, on direct, unless to win in a debate. There's enough free and legitimate information out there that he could find it on his own, if he had the desire. He's just going to categorically deny it all because:

    A.) The existence of free (and correct) information is detrimental to his business model.

    OR:

    B.) He's so delusional and wants his (easy) method to be workable so desperately that his brain is just going to automatically shield him from any contrary facts.

    I also agree with your reasoning not to tell him. Completely. 100%. It gives him more truth to sandwich the bullshit in and would only help him establish legitimacy when people could report long-term success on the legitimate plays.

    There's no question in my mind that Professor Slots would block him.

    Just think of it like Evangelical Christianity, it's very insulated against any arguments to the contrary...especially when people are young, unsophisticated and their minds are easily programmed. It's also mostly predicated upon positions that are both circular and logically flawed. Perhaps even more than the money making potential of selling his bullshit, much like that of getting people to tithe, he must protect his delusional ideas at all costs. The easiest way to overcome confrontation when you having the losing position is to avoid it as much as possible. He says, "Blocked," and I say to naysayers, "Bring it on," which should be enough to tell at least functionally intelligent people who has the defensible side.

    The problem with disproving someone who isn't going to accept the mathematical reality is that it, in their view, is only done with, "Real-world results." He's also going to say that his opinions are based on his observations, results and experiences and the closest thing to a concession that you will get from him is that it might vary from casino to casino. The excuses are already built into what he's selling.

    It's not going to be done by way of debate. He's clearly smart enough that he's not going to put himself into a position by which he gets logically eviscerated.

    It's like, how can a, b and c all be true and yet the machines meet the necessary standards of randomness? Why would Nevada Gaming Commission approve games that could have jackpots paid out basically at will? Why is none of this information in any PAR Sheet that I have ever seen?

    Why, of all of the PAR Sheets that I have ever seen, have exactly ZERO Machines had a 100%+ setting? If the 100%+ setting doesn't exist, then how can you know that a slot machine is not only paying out more than 100%, but that the random number generator has suspended its normal operation to, "Give out," a few jackpots...even ignoring the fact that casinos have no logical reason to want that at four in the morning?

    You just pick it apart and none of it makes any sense. There's nothing there that needs to be disproven because it fails even as a theory, for several reasons.

  13. #8193
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Thank you for explaining things that homos believe leaves a chocolate taste in their mouths. Next time, leave out the essays nobody reads, and just SAY it.
    You are just a gross, disgusting, lowlife, pig of a person. I can't wait for you to die. The forum, the world will be a better place.

    Now tell us again, how you are not like this in real life. You just choose to be a nasty asshole on the forums. You bitter, old fucktwad.
    The more silly names you call me the more smiles I relax with.

    Kew, you MUST know what a nervous little twit you come off as--on all the forums, really. And your constant demise and ridiculing is simply a product of your own genius. The closer people get to how you're nothing more than an alternate-reality story & life-concocting doofus, the longer your goofy posts get and the more squirmy and irrational you become....regardless how many blackjack books you study in order to appear knowledgeable and to be a fantasy winner.

    Please wise up.

  14. #8194
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    The more silly names you call me the more smiles I relax with.

    Kew, you MUST know what a nervous little twit you come off as--on all the forums, really. And your constant demise and ridiculing is simply a product of your own genius. The closer people get to how you're nothing more than an alternate-reality story & life-concocting doofus, the longer your goofy posts get and the more squirmy and irrational you become....regardless how many blackjack books you study in order to appear knowledgeable and to be a fantasy winner.

    Please wise up.
    Hey, do you want to sell me an autographed copy of your book if I decide to review it? I'm not paying a premium for the autograph, but at least 100% of the proceeds of that sale would be going to you.

    You'll also have the opportunity to respond to my review in interview form, but we'll get more into the details of that if I end up reviewing it.

  15. #8195
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Kew, you MUST know what a nervous little twit you come off as--on all the forums, really. And your constant demise and ridiculing is simply a product of your own genius. The closer people get to how you're nothing more than an alternate-reality story & life-concocting doofus, the longer your goofy posts get and the more squirmy and irrational you become....regardless how many blackjack books you study in order to appear knowledgeable and to be a fantasy winner.

    Please wise up.
    Alternative reality story? Fantasy winner?

    How ridiculous? Several people just discovered my name and looked into me. They found exactly what I stated and posted my address. I am not happy about it but that is fact.

    I mean you trolls are flat out nuts. One of the guys that was at my condo building, looked me up and knows I live there, posted just yesterday that "He didn't even think I live in Vegas". The same day he posted my address trying to dox me for the 3rd time. He was at the frigging building having looked up where I live.

    Now here is Singer, talking "alternative life story" and "fantasy winner" even after it has been confirmed where I live. How did I get the money for a high rise condo near the strip?

    I will say it again, You guys are freaking nuts! You are all over the place. To whatever suits you needs that day or even minute. You have completely lost touch (a long time ago) with reality.

  16. #8196
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    And equally stupid---just not equally destructive.
    Your face is stupid!

  17. #8197
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    And equally stupid---just not equally destructive.
    Your face is stupid!
    And destructive!

  18. #8198
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Why would anyone be concerned with educating some YouTube blabbermouth. Much less anyone that makes their living of of other people's ignorance. I swear this world is full of retards anymore.....RIP

    You can't make this shit up.
    You do realize that I get paid to write articles, yes? There's your, "Why?"
    I don't know you. But I envision you as a complete slacker. Maybe if you applied yourself you could do better than writing for a self proclaimed pittance "because you don't care about money".

    But maybe there are unknown inner demons not allowing you to prosper fully. For the record I was more referring to Crimm. But his later post shows that even a hobo has a chance of a sparking bulb of common sense in their brain housing group.
    FraudJ's word is worth less than the prop cash in Singer's safe...RIP

  19. #8199
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Why would anyone be concerned with educating some YouTube blabbermouth. Much less anyone that makes their living of of other people's ignorance. I swear this world is full of retards anymore.....RIP

    You can't make this shit up.
    You do realize that I get paid to write articles, yes? There's your, "Why?"
    I don't know you. But I envision you as a complete slacker. Maybe if you applied yourself you could do better than writing for a self proclaimed pittance "because you don't care about money".

    But maybe there are unknown inner demons not allowing you to prosper fully. For the record I was more referring to Crimm. But his later post shows that even a hobo has a chance of a sparking bulb in their brain housing group.
    I've never said my writing money is a pittance. I'll say this: I make much more writing than I did managing a hotel and working 70+ hours per week. I'm definitely a complete slacker.

    Maybe if I applied myself I would do something of benefit to someone other than myself and make money in the process, but I still wouldn't really care about the money as long as I was making enough for my needs...which would still be low.

    I don't even know what to do with money. I went to the mall the other day with a goal of buying myself an item, over a grand in my wallet and was unsuccessful. I managed to buy a burger at the food court. I only have two pairs of jeans. I guess most people would want to own more pairs of pants than that, but I can't justify buying any, because I don't need more pairs of pants than that. Also, most jeans are more than $15...almost all of them...and I've never paid more than $15 for a pair of jeans, so I don't want to.

    I could have left the mall with anything and it would have been a success, but I couldn't justify a single object anyone had for sale. Not for myself, anyway. I almost bought a basketball, but the only courts near me are outdoors and I wouldn't want anyone to see me miss a shot.

    I should have went to Kohl's, because then I would have probably bought a T-Shirt or two---probably.

  20. #8200
    Once again kew finds himself needing to lie in order to soothe his pain from being irrelevant on so many forums.

    Although kew is obviously very very jealous of the amounts MDawg is able to play and to this date, nobody has been able to factually dispute, win, he just can't let go of another clear fact: that I only won with my VP strategy for 4 years (and not 10 like he stupidly continues to claim) because I discovered and was able to exploit the DU bug for over 5 years for over $2.5 million. That in and of itself causes kew's fairy mind to go on "tilt".

    Wise up, idiot.

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