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  1. #3281
    Originally Posted by monet View Post



    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Take NJ online casinos for close to $1M in less than a week, have the assets to make play, and get them to remove a game, that I call that being feared.

    Running around with a stack of players card hustling FP, I would call that a good paying job and a nuance to casinos.
    You fellas are awful hard on a guy that you meet up with at WoV Flings.

    Not everyone can be Warren Buffet, Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos.

    As you climb the ladder things get more difficult.
    Why would you want to be on the radar anyway?
    Beat the Casino for Millions and you will encounter more problems than it could be worth.
    Dana White beats the Palms for 2 million and gets barred from the game.
    Most likely he was just firing with the house having a slight edge.
    Ben Affleck got shut down at the Hard Rock for playing stacks of 10 to 20k and counting cards.

    jbjb or ibeatyouraces posts up pictures of hustling nickle machines so I just find it ironic.
    Wait a minute. Jbjb is Ibeatyourraces? O.O I thought Jbjb was JB, The Admin at WOV! O.O

  2. #3282
    Originally Posted by monet View Post



    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Take NJ online casinos for close to $1M in less than a week, have the assets to make play, and get them to remove a game, that I call that being feared.

    Running around with a stack of players card hustling FP, I would call that a good paying job and a nuance to casinos.
    You fellas are awful hard on a guy that you meet up with at WoV Flings.

    Not everyone can be Warren Buffet, Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos.

    As you climb the ladder things get more difficult.
    Why would you want to be on the radar anyway?EXACTLY
    Beat the Casino for Millions and you will encounter more problems than it could be worth.
    Dana White beats the Palms for 2 million and gets barred from the game.
    Most likely he was just firing with the house having a slight edge.
    Ben Affleck got shut down at the Hard Rock for playing stacks of 10 to 20k and counting cards.

    jbjb or ibeatyouraces posts up pictures of hustling nickle machines so I just find it ironic.
    FraudJ's word is worth less than the prop cash in Singer's safe...RIP

  3. #3283
    Fuck off Monet you French dickhead. You have no fucking idea who I am!! You and your shitty slot play isn't worth any AP bullshit you spew. So again, fuck off asswipe!!

  4. #3284
    Almost every Steak House in Las Vegas is voted "Best" but nobody complains.
    Every Casino claims "Best Payback" or "Best Players Club"
    AxelWolf can't even figure out how to drive his stolen, new car around without getting pulled over.
    All Attorneys claim they are the "Best" or "Most Feared"
    The list goes on and on.
    Some guy on some site on the East Coast claims he runs the "Most Feared AP Crew on the East Coast" and everyone goes bonkers.
    Last edited by monet; 03-23-2019 at 10:21 AM.

  5. #3285
    AP’s claim they get married, buy homes, have children, pay medical insurance and bills for entire family, buy cars for entire family, save for retirement, invest, pay college tuitions, weddings, vacations throughout, keep large amounts of cash hidden near buy for plays, and trust me there is much much more to add on. All this and much more is doable just by endlessly beating casino gambling games year after year.

  6. #3286
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    AP’s claim they get married, buy homes, have children, pay medical insurance and bills for entire family, buy cars for entire family, save for retirement, invest, pay college tuitions, weddings, vacations throughout, keep large amounts of cash hidden near buy for plays, and trust me there is much much more to add on. All this and much more is doable just by endlessly beating casino gambling games year after year.
    You are really hung up on the word AP or Advantage Player or what you may consider Professional Gambler.
    It is no secret that Jimmy the Greek was married, owned a house, had children and ended up broke begging for 300 dollars to everyone he met.
    The same rings true for TJ Cloutier.
    It does not matter what a person chooses to do for a living.
    They are still going to fall into the same traps as everyone else like...

    "getting married, purchase homes, have children, pay medical insurance and bills for entire family, buy cars for entire family, save for retirement, invest, pay college tuitions, weddings, vacations throughout, keep large amounts of cash hidden near buy for plays, and trust me there is much much more to add on."

    This goes for professional criminals as well.
    Plenty of street guys getting married, divorced, having children, buying houses, buying cars and everything else that upstanding citizens do like yourself.

    Heck, people on welfare are doing all this as well.

  7. #3287
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    AP’s claim they get married, buy homes, have children, pay medical insurance and bills for entire family, buy cars for entire family, save for retirement, invest, pay college tuitions, weddings, vacations throughout, keep large amounts of cash hidden near buy for plays, and trust me there is much much more to add on. All this and much more is doable just by endlessly beating casino gambling games year after year.
    You are really hung up on the word AP or Advantage Player or what you may consider Professional Gambler.
    It is no secret that Jimmy the Greek was married, owned a house, had children and ended up broke begging for 300 dollars to everyone he met.
    The same rings true for TJ Cloutier.
    It does not matter what a person chooses to do for a living.
    They are still going to fall into the same traps as everyone else like...

    "getting married, purchase homes, have children, pay medical insurance and bills for entire family, buy cars for entire family, save for retirement, invest, pay college tuitions, weddings, vacations throughout, keep large amounts of cash hidden near buy for plays, and trust me there is much much more to add on."

    This goes for professional criminals as well.
    Plenty of street guys getting married, divorced, having children, buying houses, buying cars and everything else that upstanding citizens do like yourself.

    Heck, people on welfare are doing all this as well.

    Your jealousy of Axel is showing. Correct me if I’m wrong but he has many of the things you seem to envy including Friends who stick up for him because they TRUST him based on his actions.

    Your comparisons are a joke, every industry is filled with losers and scammers.

    You know my situation, I’ve been fortunate enough to meet and interact with people who helped me make money and never tried to fuck me. And if they do, it’s the longest con of all time.

    Compared to my interactions with you, who is proud of NOT robbing a drunk Axel when you had the chance.

    You made your bed Monet, stop being so bitter about sleeping in it.

  8. #3288
    Jealousy vs. Hate

    When you are jealous of someone, you are 'defensive'. You don't want to cause harm to that person, you just want to protect your possessions. You don't want that person to take away your luxuries or do something better than you. But it doesn't mean that you don't want that person to have anything at all. As long as you are protected, in control, in better position than that person, you are cool with it.

    But when you hate someone, you're 'offensive'. You want to cause harm to that person regardless of the context. You can't stand that person. You will try to obliterate that person or at least dream about his/her self destruction. You want enslave that person, make him/her helpless or change his/her values and mindset for good.

    Hate is when that person has done something to make you strongly not like them.
    They've done something to you that is unforgivable, you've heard nothing but bad things about them, they're evil, etc.

    Jealousy is when you want something that someone has.


    "Jealousy is both reasonable and belongs to reasonable men,
    while envy is base and belongs to the base, for the one makes himself get good things by jealousy,
    while the other does not allow his neighbour to have them through envy."

    -Aristotle-
    Last edited by monet; 03-23-2019 at 04:03 PM.

  9. #3289
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Jealousy vs. Hate

    When you are jealous of someone, you are 'defensive'. You don't want to cause harm to that person, you just want to protect your possessions. You don't want that person to take away your luxuries or do something better than you. But it doesn't mean that you don't want that person to have anything at all. As long as you are protected, in control, in better position than that person, you are cool with it.

    But when you hate someone, you're 'offensive'. You want to cause harm to that person regardless of the context. You can't stand that person. You will try to obliterate that person or at least dream about his/her self destruction. You want enslave that person, make him/her helpless or change his/her values and mindset for good.

    Hate is when that person has done something to make you strongly not like them.
    They've done something to you that is unforgivable, you've heard nothing but bad things about them, they're evil, etc.

    Jealousy is when you want something that someone has.


    "Jealousy is both reasonable and belongs to reasonable men,
    while envy is base and belongs to the base, for the one makes himself get good things by jealousy,
    while the other does not allow his neighbour to have them through envy."

    -Aristotle-
    In others words, you fit both profiles. Sorry I am not as articulate as you.

  10. #3290
    Fuck off Monet you French dickhead. That's funny.
    Take off that stupid mask you big baby.

  11. #3291
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    AP’s claim they get married, buy homes, have children, pay medical insurance and bills for entire family, buy cars for entire family, save for retirement, invest, pay college tuitions, weddings, vacations throughout, keep large amounts of cash hidden near buy for plays, and trust me there is much much more to add on. All this and much more is doable just by endlessly beating casino gambling games year after year.
    Name the AP's that said all that.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  12. #3292
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    AP’s claim they get married, buy homes, have children, pay medical insurance and bills for entire family, buy cars for entire family, save for retirement, invest, pay college tuitions, weddings, vacations throughout, keep large amounts of cash hidden near buy for plays, and trust me there is much much more to add on. All this and much more is doable just by endlessly beating casino gambling games year after year.
    Isn't that the stuff everyone does to one extent or the other? AP is just another profession. Some do better than others monetarily just like any other trade.
    FraudJ's word is worth less than the prop cash in Singer's safe...RIP

  13. #3293
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    AP’s claim they get married, buy homes, have children, pay medical insurance and bills for entire family, buy cars for entire family, save for retirement, invest, pay college tuitions, weddings, vacations throughout, keep large amounts of cash hidden near buy for plays, and trust me there is much much more to add on. All this and much more is doable just by endlessly beating casino gambling games year after year.
    Name the AP's that said all that.
    At least you appear to be honest with your claims of minimal success. Every other AP on this site endlessly brags about their great financial success.

    I agree and have read several great AP stories that if they quit after these huge hits, would be set for life. (for the most part)

    Once a year someone wins the WSOP main event or get to the final table. Every week in every state someone usually wins a lottery.

    I for one feel honored to chat weekly with over a dozen people who claim to win every year for decades gambling beating casino games. You have to admit those casinos must be run by a bunch of clueless morons.

  14. #3294
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    AP’s claim they get married, buy homes, have children, pay medical insurance and bills for entire family, buy cars for entire family, save for retirement, invest, pay college tuitions, weddings, vacations throughout, keep large amounts of cash hidden near buy for plays, and trust me there is much much more to add on. All this and much more is doable just by endlessly beating casino gambling games year after year.
    Isn't that the stuff everyone does to one extent or the other? AP is just another profession. Some do better than others monetarily just like any other trade.
    Sorry Max ... I don't believe a word you say. I think your a degenerate gambling broken down shoe.

    Broken down shoe defined ... (A fucking idiot that would rather put a bet down with their last dollar, then buy a new pair of desperately needed shoes)

  15. #3295
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    AP’s claim they get married, buy homes, have children, pay medical insurance and bills for entire family, buy cars for entire family, save for retirement, invest, pay college tuitions, weddings, vacations throughout, keep large amounts of cash hidden near buy for plays, and trust me there is much much more to add on. All this and much more is doable just by endlessly beating casino gambling games year after year.
    Name the AP's that said all that.
    At least you appear to be honest with your claims of minimal success. Every other AP on this site endlessly brags about their great financial success.

    I agree and have read several great AP stories that if they quit after these huge hits, would be set for life. (for the most part)

    Once a year someone wins the WSOP main event or get to the final table. Every week in every state someone usually wins a lottery.

    I for one feel honored to chat weekly with over a dozen people who claim to win every year for decades gambling beating casino games. You have to admit those casinos must be run by a bunch of clueless morons.
    There's some things you don't understand. I've described some plays which you called two-bit. Sure, one play might be worth just $40. But what if you are doing 15 plays a day on that game? That's $600 a day. That's what you don't get. It's not just one play. And all those plays add up.

    Now, I know what you will come with. "600 a day! That's 220K a year. You're full of shit!" As that is a typical response from you. But how many people do you know that work 365 days a year? I certainly don't work anywhere near that much. I do pretty good on the days that I work. The average is actually closer to 500 a day. I made 86.8K off machines last year. The actual true figure. That's what all my "two-bit" plays added up to last year. I'll do just as good or better this year. This may not reach the standard you or anyone else has for me but it's plenty for me. If I'm not complaining then you shouldn't. If I wanted more money I would work more days.

    PS: The win didn't come out of just one casino, or a dozen casinos. The number is actually in the hundreds. Divide my win out by that. So how badly am I hurting any one casino? I'm not.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 03-24-2019 at 08:11 AM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  16. #3296
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Name the AP's that said all that.
    At least you appear to be honest with your claims of minimal success. Every other AP on this site endlessly brags about their great financial success.

    I agree and have read several great AP stories that if they quit after these huge hits, would be set for life. (for the most part)

    Once a year someone wins the WSOP main event or get to the final table. Every week in every state someone usually wins a lottery.

    I for one feel honored to chat weekly with over a dozen people who claim to win every year for decades gambling beating casino games. You have to admit those casinos must be run by a bunch of clueless morons.
    There's some things you don't understand. I've described some plays which you called two-bit. Sure, one play might be worth just $40. But what if you are doing 15 plays a day on that game? That's $600 a day. That's what you don't get. It's not just one play. And all those plays add up.

    Now, I know what you will come with. "600 a day! That's 220K a year. You're full of shit!" As that is a typical response from you. But how many people do you know that work 365 days a year? I certainly don't work anywhere near that much. I do pretty good on the days that I work. The average is actually closer to 500 a day. I made 86.8K off machines last year. The actual true figure. That's what all my "two-bit" plays added up to last year. I'll do just as good or better this year. This may not reach the standard you or anyone else has for me but it's plenty for me. If I'm not complaining then you shouldn't. If I wanted more money I would work more days.

    PS: The win didn't come out of just one casino, or a dozen casinos. The number is actually in the hundreds. Divide my win out by that. So how badly am I hurting any one casino? I'm not.
    I assume you don't have any kids (that you know of(-. You seem to be frugal, no ? (no 1.5 mill RV's and hellcats for you) If I may ask, what are your monthly bills?

    I would have to assume you get to save a large bulk of that money each year.

    I would also assume you get to go(and buy) where you want, when you want, how you want, anytime you want(within reason). I have always said that is one of the things I enjoy about doing this(of course, I have partners so there is some scheduling to contend with but it also has nice benefits as well)

  17. #3297
    Just as a way of comparison, there are roughly 4 million people employed by the American fast food industry at an average salary of 24K or thereabouts. My numbers may be dated, but off the top of my head there are about 1,300,000 in the Army (my wife was an army sub-contractor, which doesn't count) and about 300,000 in the Navy. The highest paying job for non-lifers is intelligence officer, which pays about 35K. I think the full Army pay range is 20-something to about 110K. The average teacher salary is roughly 55K in the United States. The average starting teacher's salary ranges from 30K in Montana to about 50K in D.C. There are roughly as many teachers as fast food workers, 4 million or thereabouts.

    The median farmer salary is about 65K.

    So I think mickey does okay. One thing about this country, the more important (in my mind) jobs certainly don't pay the best. The people who grow food, serve food, teach children, and defend the country all make less than mickey.

    It's an interesting thing, this capitalism gig, eh, blackhole?

  18. #3298
    Hey redietz, Can you please stop texting me your picks and asking for money, and quit trying to dump off that anthrax laced package to me. (-;

  19. #3299
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    There's some things you don't understand. I've described some plays which you called two-bit. Sure, one play might be worth just $40. But what if you are doing 15 plays a day on that game? That's $600 a day. That's what you don't get. It's not just one play. And all those plays add up.

    Now, I know what you will come with. "600 a day! That's 220K a year. You're full of shit!" As that is a typical response from you. But how many people do you know that work 365 days a year? I certainly don't work anywhere near that much. I do pretty good on the days that I work. The average is actually closer to 500 a day. I made 86.8K off machines last year. The actual true figure. That's what all my "two-bit" plays added up to last year. I'll do just as good or better this year. This may not reach the standard you or anyone else has for me but it's plenty for me. If I'm not complaining then you shouldn't. If I wanted more money I would work more days.

    PS: The win didn't come out of just one casino, or a dozen casinos. The number is actually in the hundreds. Divide my win out by that. So how badly am I hurting any one casino? I'm not.
    I applaud you for this post and sharing your experiences including what you make, both on days you play and annually, mickeycrimm. It is a very realistic view into what machine AP is, realistic expectations, including the money end. This is something I too have always tried to do and receive a lot of criticism for. But I think it is very important to show just what kind of money we are talking about....realistically....so again kudos to you mickey.

    In the blackjack world, just about the time I was getting started, was the time the MIT team stories hit. First 2 different books and then the movie '21', all painting a very unrealistic picture of card counting and the kind of money that can be made and all attracting new, young players with those very unrealistic expectations, especially financial. THAT is when I decided to share my experiences, including financial details to show what really is reasonable expectations, which for a solo type, grinder type blackjack player is upper 5 figures.

    And while our AP play is as different as can be, me a blackjack card counter and you a machine player expert, I have always seem remarkable similarities. The grinder aspect to our play, what I refer to as 'shearing' vs the 'slaughter', or slash and burn type player. And I am not surprised the range of reasonable financial return is very similar.

    I would like to ask you this though. How many days a year to you play? Based on you stating your daily average is close to $500 and your win last year roughly 87k, I am looking at 175 days a year? Roughly 50% of days, leaving plenty of time for a mickeycrimm to enjoy life, whatever that may entail. Good for you. While my playing schedule consumes more days as I play roughly 300 days, most of my days are 4-6 hours, some very short at 2-3 hours (weekend), while I suspect on the days you do play, you play much longer shifts (especially on the road).

    While like I said, while what we do has us as far away from each other as can be in the "AP club", and I don't even understand most of what you do, and have all but given up even hoping to, I so greatly appreciate reading of your experiences, including results. Thank you again, for doing so, despite all the bullshit you go through in order to share your experiences.

  20. #3300
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    AP’s claim they get married, buy homes, have children, pay medical insurance and bills for entire family, buy cars for entire family, save for retirement, invest, pay college tuitions, weddings, vacations throughout, keep large amounts of cash hidden near buy for plays, and trust me there is much much more to add on. All this and much more is doable just by endlessly beating casino gambling games year after year.
    Isn't that the stuff everyone does to one extent or the other? AP is just another profession. Some do better than others monetarily just like any other trade.
    Sorry Max ... I don't believe a word you say. I think your a degenerate gambling broken down shoe.

    Broken down shoe defined ... (A fucking idiot that would rather put a bet down with their last dollar, then buy a new pair of desperately needed shoes)
    I'm fine with you believing that. In fact, I prefer that people believe this way. Makes for less competitive interest in WTF I'm doing. Now I have to head out to look at some accessories for the new Jeep I purchased last week with my phantom bucks.
    FraudJ's word is worth less than the prop cash in Singer's safe...RIP

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