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  1. #9681
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    He went to those Wov Cons
    Yes, and my photo is at WoV from one of them.

    No, the one in drag isn't me, it's Nareed.

    I was festooned in my flaming dice shirt.
    Last edited by MisterV; 11-09-2023 at 06:56 PM.
    What, Me Worry?

  2. #9682
    Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    Lol! Typical flimflam man scam, say you'll wager an obscene amount of money over something trivial and stupid knowing that nobody in their right mind would take you up on it and think you're making a point. The point you're making is you don't ever want to meet anyone and you sure as hell don't want anyone to know what your true age is. The circumstantial evidence you've posted over the years definitively points to you being in your mid to late seventies. Case closed.
    Fine, how much are YOU willing to bet?

    Tell me, and we can almost certainly go on from there.

    Oh wait, you've no intention of betting, you simply enjoying braying like the jackass you've always been; hell, if you'd tended bar for me I'd have thrown my beer in your kisser.

    But I don't mind meeting you or anybody from this or any other board, so long as it's a level playing field (see...Singer/Pelican Brewery) and I deem it to be worth my time.

    I attended two WoV spring flings for heaven's sake; you want to meet me, fine, but it's got to be part of a mutually acceptable bet, with the wager prepaid into escrow; otherwise, well you know what they say: "Money talks and BULLSHIT walks."

    Let's be frank: but for a bet there is zero chance I'd ever WANT to meet up with you...ugh.

    The bull, I mean the ball is in your court: will you man up or continue to embarrass yourself?
    Last edited by MisterV; 11-09-2023 at 07:13 PM.
    What, Me Worry?

  3. #9683
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    Lol! Typical flimflam man scam, say you'll wager an obscene amount of money over something trivial and stupid knowing that nobody in their right mind would take you up on it and think you're making a point. The point you're making is you don't ever want to meet anyone and you sure as hell don't want anyone to know what your true age is. The circumstantial evidence you've posted over the years definitively points to you being in your mid to late seventies. Case closed.
    Fine, how much are YOU willing to bet?

    Tell me, and we can almost certainly go on from there.

    Oh wait, you've no intention of betting, you simply enjoying braying like the jackass you've always been; hell, if you'd tended bar for me I'd have thrown my beer in your kisser.

    But I don't mind meeting you or anybody from this or any other board, so long as it's a level playing field (see...Singer/Pelican Brewery) and I deem it to be worth my time.

    I attended two WoV spring flings for heaven's sake; you want to meet me, fine, but it's got to be part of a mutually acceptable bet, with the wager prepaid into escrow; otherwise, well you know what they say: "Money talks and BULLSHIT walks."

    Let's be frank: but for a bet there is zero chance I'd ever WANT to meet up with you...ugh.

    The bull, I mean the ball is in your court: will you man up or continue to embarrass yourself?
    Q How do you keep a lawyer from drowning?
    A Shoot him before he hits that water.

  4. #9684
    Reporting on Spike's cat thread:

    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...1-i-love-cats/

    I wasn't sure how much of a commitment this would be, but it's only 5 pages although the standard length over there is pretty long.

    Bob has a lot of cats, but it sounds like they're only given free reign of certain areas. They're all indoor only, claws intact which is the only way to go.

    They eat regular cat food, dry and moist mixed together. Sometimes he adds boiled, dark-meat chicken. Plus the cooking liquid gravy. I can relate because I sometimes enjoyed milk in my cereal. But you needed to be quick about it. Bloated Apple Jacks didn't appeal to me.

    The thread includes an ongoing assortment of subject photos. This is Bob's camera:

    Name:  camera bob.jpg
Views: 240
Size:  55.0 KB

    Wizard didn't post in the thread until page 3.

    Name:  cats having sex.png
Views: 229
Size:  5.4 KB

    Draw your own conclusions.

    Cardboard boxes figure prominently. Bob built a play tower, but the cats are efficiently destructive. He's contemplating a sturdier version built from wooden trunks.

    I think you're up to date now. Do you have any questions for me about Bob's cats?

  5. #9685
    Originally Posted by Don Perignom View Post
    Reporting on Spike's cat thread:

    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...1-i-love-cats/

    I wasn't sure how much of a commitment this would be, but it's only 5 pages although the standard length over there is pretty long.

    Bob has a lot of cats, but it sounds like they're only given free reign of certain areas. They're all indoor only, claws intact which is the only way to go.

    They eat regular cat food, dry and moist mixed together. Sometimes he adds boiled, dark-meat chicken. Plus the cooking liquid gravy. I can relate because I sometimes enjoyed milk in my cereal. But you needed to be quick about it. Bloated Apple Jacks didn't appeal to me.

    The thread includes an ongoing assortment of subject photos. This is Bob's camera:

    Name:  camera bob.jpg
Views: 240
Size:  55.0 KB

    Wizard didn't post in the thread until page 3.

    Name:  cats having sex.png
Views: 229
Size:  5.4 KB

    Draw your own conclusions.

    Cardboard boxes figure prominently. Bob built a play tower, but the cats are efficiently destructive. He's contemplating a sturdier version built from wooden trunks.

    I think you're up to date now. Do you have any questions for me about Bob's cats?
    Someone needs to put this guy on a goddamn registry.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  6. #9686
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by Don Perignom View Post
    Reporting on Spike's cat thread:

    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...1-i-love-cats/

    I wasn't sure how much of a commitment this would be, but it's only 5 pages although the standard length over there is pretty long.

    Bob has a lot of cats, but it sounds like they're only given free reign of certain areas. They're all indoor only, claws intact which is the only way to go.

    They eat regular cat food, dry and moist mixed together. Sometimes he adds boiled, dark-meat chicken. Plus the cooking liquid gravy. I can relate because I sometimes enjoyed milk in my cereal. But you needed to be quick about it. Bloated Apple Jacks didn't appeal to me.

    The thread includes an ongoing assortment of subject photos. This is Bob's camera:

    Name:  camera bob.jpg
Views: 240
Size:  55.0 KB

    Wizard didn't post in the thread until page 3.

    Name:  cats having sex.png
Views: 229
Size:  5.4 KB

    Draw your own conclusions.

    Cardboard boxes figure prominently. Bob built a play tower, but the cats are efficiently destructive. He's contemplating a sturdier version built from wooden trunks.

    I think you're up to date now. Do you have any questions for me about Bob's cats?
    Someone needs to put this guy on a goddamn registry.
    I wish that was my camera. I used to collect cameras for years you know how much that camera is worth today?

  7. #9687
    Originally Posted by Spike View Post

    I wish that was my camera. I used to collect cameras for years you know how much that camera is worth today?
    Not surprised a self processed roulette god would get worked up over a $100 antique camera.....lol

    Imagine the grainy cat photos one could take with that piece of machinery from the past...RIP
    FraudJ's word is worth less than the prop cash in Singer's safe...RIP

  8. #9688
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Spike View Post

    I wish that was my camera. I used to collect cameras for years you know how much that camera is worth today?
    Not surprised a self processed roulette god would get worked up over a $100 antique camera.....lol

    Imagine the grainy cat photos one could take with that piece of machinery from the past...RIP
    He most assuredly would scam someone on Ebay when he sells it.

  9. #9689
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Spike View Post

    I wish that was my camera. I used to collect cameras for years you know how much that camera is worth today?
    Not surprised a self processed roulette god would get worked up over a $100 antique camera.....lol

    Imagine the grainy cat photos one could take with that piece of machinery from the past...RIP
    $100? LOLOL you have no idea what you're talking about

  10. #9690
    Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Spike View Post

    I wish that was my camera. I used to collect cameras for years you know how much that camera is worth today?
    Not surprised a self processed roulette god would get worked up over a $100 antique camera.....lol

    Imagine the grainy cat photos one could take with that piece of machinery from the past...RIP
    $100? LOLOL you have no idea what you're talking about
    Enlighten us and tell us exactly what glass plate camera is being used by Dougie in that picture. I'm seeing a pattern in your bullshit....RIP
    Last edited by MaxPen; 11-16-2023 at 05:06 PM.
    FraudJ's word is worth less than the prop cash in Singer's safe...RIP

  11. #9691
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/scien...t-your-corpse/

    So here is the math. This dude has 14 cats. Guaranteed at least one will take sample within hours. Then the herd will follow
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  12. #9692
    Bob blabbed a big secret, and I suppose you may as well learn about it too.

    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...25/#post908985

    You bet $50 on red and your partner bets 50 dollars on black and the casino doesn't know you're together, if you do it for a couple hours you will have bet thousands of dollars and about broken even and you have greatly increased your comps.
    You and a partner bet opposites, break even, and collect a bunch of free stuff.

    Wait, that's not what it says. It says you "about" break even. How do you about break even? Is that anything like losing $500 to collect $100 of dining at an overpriced restaurant? Sounds "about" right.

  13. #9693
    Losing money is what usually happens so it is the cost for entertainment
    Free food is something special.

    This AP stuff is not so hard after all.

  14. #9694
    If 2 players are working together one betting black, one betting red, don't they still both lose when 0 or 00 comes up? Exact same house advantage. I would think the casinos would absolutely love this.

    Now I have on a couple occasions seen an issue when two players obviously together are betting opposite Black and red, when a matchplay coupon or free play chip is involved which all but guarantees an actual win. Casinos don't like that. Even on a one time, fairly small play. Pretty hard to stop, but they don't like it.

    I witnessed a lot of this at very low limits back when the Palms used to mail out those quarterly coupon books to local residents in the area that contained 2 $10 blackjack matchplays and 2 $10 roulette match plays. I would see two guys together one playing a $10 matchplay betting black and the other either playing $10 or $15 dollars on red. Eiether version has an EV of just less than $5 which they split. I suppose the issue was the casinos would see those same 2 guys make that same play several times a day for several months. A hard way to make $2.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 11-23-2023 at 10:54 AM.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  15. #9695
    Originally Posted by Don Perignom View Post
    Bob blabbed a big secret, and I suppose you may as well learn about it too.

    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...25/#post908985

    You bet $50 on red and your partner bets 50 dollars on black and the casino doesn't know you're together, if you do it for a couple hours you will have bet thousands of dollars and about broken even and you have greatly increased your comps.
    You and a partner bet opposites, break even, and collect a bunch of free stuff.

    Wait, that's not what it says. It says you "about" break even. How do you about break even? Is that anything like losing $500 to collect $100 of dining at an overpriced restaurant? Sounds "about" right.
    Then they no mail both of you lock your pins and call you a roulette advantage player. Or better yet they erase your points after you leave wait for you to return, and trespass you. Been in both situations and a few other variations with negative results. This play at most casinos worked about 4 years ago. Hit or miss now with the downside outweighing the upside. Proceed with caution knowing you could be 86ed

  16. #9696
    Originally Posted by Don Perignom View Post
    Bob blabbed a big secret, and I suppose you may as well learn about it too.

    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...25/#post908985

    You bet $50 on red and your partner bets 50 dollars on black and the casino doesn't know you're together, if you do it for a couple hours you will have bet thousands of dollars and about broken even and you have greatly increased your comps.
    You and a partner bet opposites, break even, and collect a bunch of free stuff.

    Wait, that's not what it says. It says you "about" break even. How do you about break even? Is that anything like losing $500 to collect $100 of dining at an overpriced restaurant? Sounds "about" right.
    As far as "Offset" betting on table games goes, Roulette is a really bad choice due to its enormous house edge of 5.26%. Unless Spike was talking about Electronic gaming.

    Baccarat is a much better option. House edge being 1.17%(Average Banker and Player). You can play commissioned Baccarat and lose a fairly steady 1.17% or you can play EZ Baccarat version which doesn't take a commission, as an alternative you get less than full payout for certain outcomes such as winning with a Banker Three card 7 paying half your bet. There are other versions that "push" particular winning hands vs. getting full pay. So instead of collecting commissions on roughly 50% of hands as in commissioned Baccarat, you are paying it "all at once" on a fairly uncommon hand outcome.

    You can keep a side count (Not a plus/minus count), of particular numbered cards, when the deck is rich/poor with these values you don't wager. This will not complete eliminate the house edge, but will definitely lower it. Combine this with the other tricks used with offset betting and you will do ok. Like SV said, getting 86 is a real possibility with these shenanigans.

  17. #9697
    Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    As far as "Offset" betting on table games goes, Roulette is a really bad choice due to its enormous house edge of 5.26%. Unless Spike was talking about Electronic gaming.
    House edge is irrelevant.

    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb.../2/#post908558

    This whole argument over the house edge affecting you in any way is ridiculous. No wonder you people can't beat any casino game it's in your head that you're beaten before you begin. Even Steve Wynn has said that the house edge only affects the casino and not the player.
    He says at the end of the year it always evens out in favor of the casino but in the short term play by play day by day basis, the house edge has no effect whatsoever on the player. How could it. All you have to do is watch people play to know this is true. I know it's true because I beat the casino every single time I play.
    Incidentally, the house edge is not 5%.

    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb.../2/#post908531

    In actual play you will lose your money much much faster than that.
    I believe the average hold for a roulette table at the end of the day is about 18%. That means that of all the money people wagered the casino keeps 18% of it. Far far more than the house edge.
    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb.../3/#post908717

    This is because the house edge never manifests itself in the short term as I keep saying over and over. Yet people constantly assume that it does, it's mind-boggling. If it did work out perfectly the hold at the end of the shift would be 5% of the total that everybody bet and it's more like 18%.

  18. #9698
    Once again, these idiots confuse HOLD and HOUSE EDGE as being the same thing. IT'S NOT!

  19. #9699
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Once again, these idiots confuse HOLD and HOUSE EDGE as being the same thing. IT'S NOT!
    Two things can be true. House edge "has no effect" AND is 18%. Seems logical to me.

  20. #9700
    Hold is the amount of money kept compared to chips bought.

    If you buy in for $100 at a blackjack game with a 0.33% house edge, make one bet of $100 and lose, the hold was 100%. Again, two completely different things.

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