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  1. #7861
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Let's not forget Shanks " model" acquaintance Angela who claimed a number in roulette 8 times in a row. Not a peep from the weak one.
    Someone over there needs to bring it up as he asked for other events.

  2. #7862
    They can close the jeopardy thread. Matt lost to a Shaun Deeb look-a-like.

  3. #7863
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Let's not forget Shanks " model" acquaintance Angela who claimed a number in roulette 8 times in a row. Not a peep from the weak one.
    Someone over there needs to bring it up as he asked for other events.
    link?

  4. #7864
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Axel and OD handing it to the Human Punching Bag Alan.

    The moron challenges Axel to show where he made other outrageous claims and the 5 Royals in a Day claim comes up. And Alan naturally calls foul for brining up stuff from other forums. And basically is crying about being trolled. Then he throws up not having visited here in a very, very long time and not knowing if this forum still exists. To which OD points out it’s been June since his last post here.

    Alan seems very angry this morning….anyone have an guesses why?
    I feel bad, I wasn't trying to stick it to Alan I just wanted to show that people's stories and recollections can't always be trusted when it comes to super rare gambling events. I think he's a good guy for the most part and does have some nice life achievements he should be proud of. When he first chimed and showed "support" for MD's outrageous claims I resisted, but the more he kept posting... it was as if he was bragging and wanting all that stuff to surface again.

  5. #7865
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Axel and OD handing it to the Human Punching Bag Alan.

    The moron challenges Axel to show where he made other outrageous claims and the 5 Royals in a Day claim comes up. And Alan naturally calls foul for brining up stuff from other forums. And basically is crying about being trolled. Then he throws up not having visited here in a very, very long time and not knowing if this forum still exists. To which OD points out it’s been June since his last post here.

    Alan seems very angry this morning….anyone have an guesses why?
    Boz, the person mentioned is probably extra angry and bitter today for the same reason many degenerate gambler types, angry and bitter with AP's are, because it is the 10th of the month, they have gone through their monthly "contributions" to the casinos and are left to fume for another 3 weeks.

    But I don't want to talk about this particular person, who I think you and others are too hard on. He isn't out to hurt anyone with his "mis-remembered" tales of 18 y.o.'s in a row or 5 royals in a day. There are no BS claims of riches coming from either. If you ask about the 5 royals in a day, or the 100k royals he will tell you they did not even result in a winning year. Although he says this with a wink and nod, as if he is saying this for tax reasons, he is not. He is actually telling the truth, just a little embarrassed by the truth, so he does the 'wink and nod' thing. Anyway, there is no reason to continue to crap on this person. He has done that himself and resides in a misery of his own choosing. He really isn't harming anyone and I say let it go.

    Now being that this is the WoV thread I want to switch gears slightly but to a related topic. On page 5 of the "18 Y.O.'s revisited thread", Mr Wizard mentions he is working on a project looking at extraordinary gambling claims including:

    Witnessing a total of 11 rolled 18 consecutive times in craps
    Winning 60 hands in a row in blackjack
    Witnessing 48 Player wins out of 49 hands in baccarat in the same shoe

    At the end he asks if there is anything he is missing? Well how about a guy who claims to have been in Las Vegas for 7 months straight, winning every day or nearly every day at negative expectation gambling games, with nothing he is doing that creates positive expectation. He claims to be up over a million dollars in this time, comped high end suites with the casinos not caring about a player that continually wins. ALL of which are ridiculous.

    Kind of strange that Shackleford left that one out. Although I maintain that he has been paid to leave that one out.
    Is there a breakdown of exactly how many days he has won etc? If someome has the willingness to dig into that and it's beyond outrageous, I will be glad to post it at WOV, I dont care if I get suspended or not.

  6. #7866
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Is there a breakdown of exactly how many days he has won etc?
    Ask him yourself, he doesn't seem shy about revealing that kind of information.

    He has his own forum where he has posted over 100 daily playing reports.

  7. #7867
    Apparently MDogoArgentino doesn't own the forum worth a whopping hundy, where he's the only real member ...Correction I almost forgot about the All Star " Mleus".

  8. #7868
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Is there a breakdown of exactly how many days he has won etc? If someome has the willingness to dig into that and it's beyond outrageous, I will be glad to post it at WOV, I dont care if I get suspended or not.
    So, I began to look into this very data 3 weeks ago, just because I had to be home for a few days and had too much time on my hands. (link to thread below).

    I got up to his first 60 days of baccarat play which consisted of 58 winning days and 2 losing. I think the first losing day came 48 or 50 into the streak, when there was a lot of noise at WoV about how he won every session and how "unlikely" that was. So within a day of 2 he posted about a losing day. It consisted of 2 different sessions actually, a losing session of $48,000 followed immediately by a winning session of $38,000 for a net loss for the day of 10k. Oddly that is the only day I found reference to 2 separate sessions. Kind of funny how the second session almost won back the initial losses.

    Second losing day was $68,000 loss. Again it was immediately followed by 2 winning days of $28,000 and $25,000 which immediately offset most of that loss.

    Those were the only 2 losing sessions recorded in the first 60. I stopped looking at that point as I just couldn't take it anymore.

    Now everything talked about so far is his baccarat play. He was ahead half a million at that time. and that was several months ago. Since then the winning, amounts and claims have escalated as some of us predicted. In addition to that in the last month he has been reporting blackjack play. 20 sessions at Double deck, where he "spreads" from $200 or $300 to $5000 or even $10000. So there are 20 blackjack sessions, reported, 18 winning and 2 losing for a net win of $135,675.

    But it isn't even any single claim. It is the cumulative that all he does is win (at 90-95% rate rate at everything he does). And the casinos welcome his winning. Dealers and pit pat him on the back telling him, "he is the best they have ever seen" and shower his with all the high end comps including now 7 months free in a high end suite. Because THAT is the way Las Vegas casinos work. They just hand out free bags of money with no questions asked and no concerns, and then comp you everything on top of it for months and years.

    Hope this helps Axel.




    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...699-Mdawg-Data
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  9. #7869
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Is there a breakdown of exactly how many days he has won etc?
    Ask him yourself, he doesn't seem shy about revealing that kind of information.

    He has his own forum where he has posted over 100 daily playing reports.
    I have zero interest in reading his blog. I don't know the details but something related to the site he blogs at has some type of fraud attached to it. Before you get all up in arms, I don't know the details it could be something as simple as a previous person who owned the domain name. Either way, I'm not taking any chances, nor do I feel like taking extra precautions to visit safely.



    Your other suggestion about just asking him is a pretty good suggestion, I might try that.

  10. #7870
    Phil Ivey is paying Ahigh to shoot craps? Todd need to investigate this.

  11. #7871
    I remember the story about Shoeless Joe from back in the day. It was circulating thru the grapevine right after it happened. One of the stories was after the guy got into the big run Wynn wanted them to get the guy cleaned up with new clothes. So they took the guy clothes shopping.

    He had a T-shirt printed up that said:

    FUCK STEVE WYNN

    And he wore it the rest of the time until they busted him.

    The guy never tipped anyone a dime. LOL!!
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  12. #7872
    The used that story in the first episode of the 2000's tv show "Las Vegas"

  13. #7873
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    The used that story in the first episode of the 2000's tv show "Las Vegas"
    Yep that was the first I heard of that story. I don't remember the exact storyline, I am sure they changed some names and details, but basically was the same story.

    Many of the storylines for that Las Vegas show (James Caan as head of security) were based (sometimes loosely) on actual events and storylines, at least for the first few years when James Caan was on the show. After that the show became kind of silly with people flying off the roofs of casinos in a gust of wind and crashing into a casino a mile down the strip.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  14. #7874
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    The used that story in the first episode of the 2000's tv show "Las Vegas"
    And speaking of that show, the way they portrayed the casino hosts and how they get paid, (they make money when their players lose money) is very different than the way one of our current great "storytellers" is presenting it. Can you imagine the beautiful, yet very aggressive, young lady that played Casino host SAM, comping a winning player a high end suite for 7 months.

    I know ADT is part of it, but there has to be a point that if that ADT doesn't turn into the expected loss, somebody is pulling the plug.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 10-12-2021 at 07:51 PM.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  15. #7875
    EB quitting WoV???

    Who thinks he'll be back?

  16. #7876
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    EB quitting WoV???

    Who thinks he'll be back?
    Evenbob, the Top Poster turned his back on WOV, telling WOV off. Wow. You know this is some VERY serious shit when the Top Poster walked away, telling it off. Boz did something similar, but his was the reverse. He made it clear that he wanted WOV to ban him, he didn't walk off himself. And Boz was NOT a Top Poster. The Top Poster basically saying,"Fuck WOV, this place has turned to shit, I'm out," is actually a pivotal moment in WOV History.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Zk2WAFzDcrJ7pjNB7

    Take comfort in the fact that no one is actually backing up his wishes to have you permanantly banned.


    Smart is knowing a Tomato is a fruit.

    Wise is knowing a Tomato doesn't belong in a fruit salad.



    I am glad to get my full posting rights back! Thank you Dan!

  17. #7877
    You know what would be even more shocking then Spike's hiatus( time will tell) #2 man AlexWolf telling his buddy Rusty to shove it !.................. Nah not in this lifetime !

  18. #7878
    Axel is in red as well.

  19. #7879
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Evenbob, the Top Poster turned his back on WOV, telling WOV off. Wow. You know this is some VERY serious shit when the Top Poster walked away, telling it off. Boz did something similar, but his was the reverse. He made it clear that he wanted WOV to ban him, he didn't walk off himself. And Boz was NOT a Top Poster. The Top Poster basically saying,"Fuck WOV, this place has turned to shit, I'm out," is actually a pivotal moment in WOV History.
    Boz is not a top poster, but Evenbob is? What a joke! Top Posters should be measured by quality not quantity. No decent forum rewards posters with extra recognition for commenting on every single things said. That is recognizing the top trolls.

    I have never appreciated Evenbob's style. To me it was trolling. He would walk right up to the line of insulting others without crossing. That does not a "top" poster make. Tell me what he has contributed that anyone else is better for?

    That said, What Evenbob said as he resigned is exactly right. If someone like him can't figure out the rules, what is ok and what isn't (which changes day to day), then what chance does anyone else have? Hell even the mods now don't seem to know anymore and have to check with Wizard or are over ruled by Wizard. It is ridiculous.

    The problem with that forum is the very thing that made it special 10 years ago....Michael Shackleford. Of course 10 years ago, he gave a shit, now he doesn't. He thinks it is a big joke. I think it is too late for WoV to recover and be anything other that the troll forum all these forums have now become, but if there is any chance at all, Wizard needs to step aside from moderation. He could still participate if he wants and no doubt would receive special treatment but he should not be calling the shots. (t)Eliot is a freind of Mike's....read what he wrote today because he is 100% correct.

    On a real gambling forum math is God. Freedom of speech is a joke when it defies the math. That is not to say that anyone that comes along claiming something that defies math and reality like 18 y.o.'s in a row or 60 winning hands of blackjack in a row (and other claims that same person has made) should be banned or anything. They should be free to make their claims....THAT is your freedom of speech!

    But the mods and other members HAVE to be allowed to push back in the name of math and over and over and over again, if the person keeps repeating their baloney, which seems to be the playbook these days.

    None of it will happen. WoV will just continue it's descent into full blow voodoo forum where the trolls are protected and the decent posters, real players, math guys and just anyone based in reality continue to walk away. . I mean it is really already there.

  20. #7880
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Evenbob, the Top Poster turned his back on WOV, telling WOV off. Wow. You know this is some VERY serious shit when the Top Poster walked away, telling it off. Boz did something similar, but his was the reverse. He made it clear that he wanted WOV to ban him, he didn't walk off himself. And Boz was NOT a Top Poster. The Top Poster basically saying,"Fuck WOV, this place has turned to shit, I'm out," is actually a pivotal moment in WOV History.
    Boz is not a top poster, but Evenbob is? What a joke! Top Posters should be measured by quality not quantity. No decent forum rewards posters with extra recognition for commenting on every single things said. That is recognizing the top trolls.

    I have never appreciated Evenbob's style. To me it was trolling. He would walk right up to the line of insulting others without crossing. That does not a "top" poster make. Tell me what he has contributed that anyone else is better for?

    That said, What Evenbob said as he resigned is exactly right. If someone like him can't figure out the rules, what is ok and what isn't (which changes day to day), then what chance does anyone else have? Hell even the mods now don't seem to know anymore and have to check with Wizard or are over ruled by Wizard. It is ridiculous.

    The problem with that forum is the very thing that made it special 10 years ago....Michael Shackleford. Of course 10 years ago, he gave a shit, now he doesn't. He thinks it is a big joke. I think it is too late for WoV to recover and be anything other that the troll forum all these forums have now become, but if there is any chance at all, Wizard needs to step aside from moderation. He could still participate if he wants and no doubt would receive special treatment but he should not be calling the shots. (t)Eliot is a freind of Mike's....read what he wrote today because he is 100% correct.

    On a real gambling forum math is God. Freedom of speech is a joke when it defies the math. That is not to say that anyone that comes along claiming something that defies math and reality like 18 y.o.'s in a row or 60 winning hands of blackjack in a row (and other claims that same person has made) should be banned or anything. They should be free to make their claims....THAT is your freedom of speech!

    But the mods and other members HAVE to be allowed to push back in the name of math and over and over and over again, if the person keeps repeating their baloney, which seems to be the playbook these days.

    None of it will happen. WoV will just continue it's descent into full blow voodoo forum where the trolls are protected and the decent posters, real players, math guys and just anyone based in reality continue to walk away. . I mean it is really already there.
    I meant Top Poster in terms of quantity when I said Evenbob is The Top Poster (Not visible anymore on the Top Poster list since he self banned) I will give you your credit, Kewlj for sticking to your word and NOT going back to WOV like you said you wouldn't. People assumed you would go running right back to WOV as soon as your Month was up, and you didn't and still haven't. That is something commendable.

    About Evenbob's "Goodbye," thread, I JUST realized all of the Poll choices are NEGATIVE. NONE of them are anything like,"Please don't leave," giving even MORE credence to how absolutely serious he is about leaving WOV.
    Last edited by Tasha; 10-17-2021 at 08:11 PM.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Zk2WAFzDcrJ7pjNB7

    Take comfort in the fact that no one is actually backing up his wishes to have you permanantly banned.


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    Wise is knowing a Tomato doesn't belong in a fruit salad.



    I am glad to get my full posting rights back! Thank you Dan!

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