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  1. #6721
    Originally Posted by OnceDear View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Instead, he read the thread and saw a decent number of people liking posts and writing that they agreed and felt undermined and probably exploded as he tends to do. He suspended me for 14 days for trolling him and removed the thread in it's entirety..
    You are mistaken.
    Are you going to tell me that you suspended me? That never occurred to me.

    If so I owe Mike a massive apology and you have a whole lot of KJ wrath heading your way.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 04-12-2021 at 12:45 AM.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  2. #6722
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    They are talking about how DI doesn't exist at WoV again.
    If it doesn't exist why does the boxman get pissed off if you don't hit the wall every time?
    Why don't they let you slide the dice?
    Set the Dice and don't hit the back wall for a few rolls and see if they let you throw the dice anymore.
    Dice can be manipulated.
    That is fact.
    How many people can actually do it and win on a consistent basis in a Casino Setting is another story.
    David Blaine telling Lies again.
    Mother Fucker!

    I guess all those card mechanics are fake too.
    No way someone could make a brand new deck of cards squirt cider in your ear with the Jack of Spades!?
    When I worked for Magum I took a few required classes that spent a few hours showing us videos of cheats and card cheats.
    You would be amazed at what people can do that you think isn't possible.
    "Dad... I got an ear full of cider."

    I only know it's possible because I watched it on media:

  3. #6723
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by OnceDear View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Instead, he read the thread and saw a decent number of people liking posts and writing that they agreed and felt undermined and probably exploded as he tends to do. He suspended me for 14 days for trolling him and removed the thread in it's entirety..
    You are mistaken.
    Are you going to tell me that you suspended me? That never occurred to me.

    If so I owe Mike a massive apology and you have a whole lot of KJ wrath heading your way.
    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...rds-agreement/

    Oncedear said,"You are mistaken," because your thread was NOT removed at all and is still intact in its entirety..... Because I am NOT a complete Idiot, I will even copy and paste your OP....

    April 9th, 2021 at 8:36:21 PMpermalink

    Wizard
    An agreement has been negotiated between MDawg and Kewlj. Here are the terms, which both parties have agreed to.

    1. This thread has been moved to the "Betting Systems" category.
    2. Kewlj will stay out of this thread. He may not comment on it in other threads. If Mdawg posts in another thread, Kewlj may address that post only wherever it may be located.

    I will be enforcing this agreement. However, I trust both parties to be men of their words and go their separate ways.


    Last week I agreed to these terms. I am now asking for a re-consideration. Since there is another thread started on the same or related topic, the meetup, I could skirt the rule by continuing to participate in that thread and frequent bumping. I am choosing not to do that, instead, I hope you will allow me to make my case, followed by a fair re-consideration

    First, was this really "negotiated"? You suggested I accept or be suspended.

    The thread in question represents, the top thread on this forum by volume BY FAR. Would you tell a new member he can join the forum, but not participate in the most active thread? Of course not. If I say something that violates rules, I should receive a suspension, just like everyone else, not be censored from the most active thread on the forum, a thread of which the topic, a player misleading members happens to be of paramount importance to me. My comments aren't personal to the poster, it is the content of his posts that I wish to express my opinion about. Since he CONTINUES to post these misleading comments, I should be able to CONTINUE to express my doubt, just like every other member.

    We all know this arrangement came because you were contacted privately and asked to remove me from his thread. But as Axelwolf so rightly stated today, this is not "his" thread. He started the thread. After that it is a general discussion thread open to everyone....or SHOULD BE.

    If the poster that started the thread requires a place where he has control, over who says what, don't you provide for that in the 'Blog section'? You (Wizard) should not be protecting him by silencing people at his request. Members should be allowed to fairly express their opinions, including doubts and since he adds to or makes new claims almost every day, we should be able to repeatedly do the same

    Again, I am not asking for any special treatment. I am asking for the same treatment as anyone else, to express my opinion and doubts about a topic important to me. And if I say something worthy of suspension, I accept that. Although that too should be real and not somebody, continually PMing you requesting anyone and everyone that expresses a negative opinion be suspended. He is making the claims that 20 some members have expressed doubt about. The onus is on him to make his case, and shouldn't be about limiting anyone's right to express their doubt.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Zk2WAFzDcrJ7pjNB7

    Take comfort in the fact that no one is actually backing up his wishes to have you permanantly banned.


    Smart is knowing a Tomato is a fruit.

    Wise is knowing a Tomato doesn't belong in a fruit salad.



    I am glad to get my full posting rights back! Thank you Dan!

  4. #6724
    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-.../2/#post802205

    That OnceDear is one Power Tripping Mother Fucker, eh?
    No way OD is English.
    That Mother Fucker is a straight out Nazi.
    Hail Shackleford!!

  5. #6725
    Well ain't that some shit! It was Oncedear. I do owe Mike an apology. Although he could have stepped in. But I do apologize to Mike. (see how that works when you are wrong about something).

    Oncedear, I don't dislike you. I enjoy your sense of humor and you always treated me fairly, or so I thought. But this was a bullshit call. Nothing in that thread was trolling of Mike, nor certainly not you, which was listed on my suspension. It had nothing to do with you. It was a respectful asking of Mike to reconsider and I laid out my 3 or 4 points. All he had to do was say no if he didn't agree.

    The fact that the thread was "hidden" rather than removed is a small distinction. It was removed from view for most people unless they went digging and for the reasons I stated, because a few people were agreeing with me and I guess my points made sense. Otherwise, why would you remove it from view. It is ironic in that, removal from view is what I thought I was getting out of the Mdawg deal.

    Why did you think you needed to jump in and take action. It wasn't about you, it was about Mike. BBB used to do that shit. Over-step! Like you guys feel you need to protect Mike or something. Mike is a big boy and all he had to do was say no to a request for re-consideration.

    So while I apologize to Mike for thinking and saying it was him, the result remains the same. I am suspended for simply asking for a re-consideration and making my points? That forum is fucking too much, and some of you mods seem to abuse the power given to you. Not only that but now you are looking the other way, on obvious sock puppets for Mdawgshit. What a fucking forum!
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  6. #6726
    Oh boy. Didn’t Kewlj find reasons to reconsider a previous agreement to avoid in the original squabble about Qshit? And he also quit posting here and always comes back, also discloses contents of PM’s received on WoV on this forum. Guys word is his bond..... this is a pattern dude, you will find whatever reasons you can to believe you are being treated unfairly, you have to see the well is poisoned and mods will always be a little skeptical of your motives given the pattern established, even if you were right ten years ago when it started is simply not relevant now.

    Seriously this is like 10 years on of whining about WoV and flip flopping about whining, wanting to come back, leaving....it’s just a fucking Internet forum fuck man, just give it up, you’ve got a legit problem with it.
    Last edited by mcap; 04-12-2021 at 06:39 AM.

  7. #6727
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    I only know it's possible because I watched it on media:
    Good Video.
    I've seen similar live shows.
    I like when they do tables and chairs and spin them.
    It must take some serious practice and concentration.

    Next thing these guys are going to tell us is that Richard Turner is Fake and isn't blind and can't manipulate a deck of cards.
    Ricky Jay was Fake too.
    Oh and by the way... Richard Turner went blind around the age of 10 to make what he does even a bit more incredible.
    Last edited by monet; 04-12-2021 at 06:54 AM.

  8. #6728
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Oh boy. Didn’t Kewlj find reasons to reconsider a previous agreement to avoid in the original squabble about Qshit? And he also quit posting here and always comes back, also discloses contents of PM’s received on WoV on this forum. Guys word is his bond..... this is a pattern dude, you will find whatever reasons you can to believe you are being treated unfairly, you have to see the well is poisoned and mods will always be a little skeptical of your motives given the pattern established, even if you were right ten years ago when it started is simply not relevant now.

    Seriously this is like 10 years on of whining about WoV and flip flopping about whining, wanting to come back, leaving....it’s just a fucking Internet forum fuck man, just give it up, you’ve got a legit problem with it.
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    Indecisive?

    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post

    And KewlJ remains indecisive as always, vowing that he would not return to WOV, but crawling back there immediately anyway.
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    So after realizing that Mike moved the thread and it was still on the main board, I PMed him and told him I misunderstood and what I mistakenly thought. I mean this was an hour after the so called deal.



    CHECK!

    Unable to maintain resolve?
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I don't care for Mike's solution at WoV, so I won't be interacting there


    CHECK!

    Having the inability to not speak on a thought - in this case to not speak on his uncontrollable fixation on MDawg?
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post

    Psychiatry, clinical psychology. Impulse-control disorder (ICD) is a class of psychiatric disorders characterized by impulsivity – failure to resist a temptation, an urge, or an impulse; or having the inability to not speak on a thought.

    UNKewlJ will be yapping uncontrollably about R. Singer and MDawg soon enough, if not already.
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I have Mdawg blocked here So I won't interact with him here
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Look you lying piece of shit, insecure narcissist, until a forum administrator tells me otherwise, I will post where I want to post and when I want to post it. You don't decide that. And if I want to block certain lunatic bastards and then feel like unblocking a post or two, I can and will do that too.

    You are just another losing player misleading everyone with phony bullshit. There is not even anything new about you. You use the exact same playbook as the narcissist frauds that came before you. That is one of the reasons I want people like you and those that came before you exposed and called out, so as not to encourage new assholes like you.

    I don't know what the deal is with you losers. If you spent a quarter of the time you spend on your great fairytale troll, learning to win instead....to really win....by mathematically sound principals, instead of math defying hocus pocus, then you would really have something to write about and be admired for. Instead you are another losing systems player completely debunked and regulated to the losing system player and voodoo forum, so everyone know just what you are.

    CHECK!
    Last edited by MDawg; 04-12-2021 at 07:25 AM.
    I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.

    MDawg Adventures carry on at: https://www.truepassage.com/forums/f.../46-IPlayVegas

  9. #6729
    Hey Mdouche, I was reading the great Mdawg fairytale over at WoV in the LOSING BETTING SYSTEM section, when I noticed darkOz, step in to put up the $2500 that EV pulled out of, so it appears all systems are go on that alternative contest that really is has nothing to do with witnessing your actual play as described in the great fairytale.

    So my question is why is it necessary for you and Mike to get paid for this witnessing of your play? If you get paid it is on, if you don't get paid it is off?

    YOU should want to show the whole world and the 27 people listed that they are wrong and you are right and Mike should want to get to the bottom of this so as to stop making a mockery of his forum. Yet both are only willing to do so, if they get paid. Something scammy about that right there!
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  10. #6730
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Well ain't that some shit! It was Oncedear. I do owe Mike an apology. Although he could have stepped in. But I do apologize to Mike. (see how that works when you are wrong about something).

    Oncedear, I don't dislike you. I enjoy your sense of humor and you always treated me fairly, or so I thought. But this was a bullshit call. Nothing in that thread was trolling of Mike, nor certainly not you, which was listed on my suspension. It had nothing to do with you. It was a respectful asking of Mike to reconsider and I laid out my 3 or 4 points. All he had to do was say no if he didn't agree.

    The fact that the thread was "hidden" rather than removed is a small distinction. It was removed from view for most people unless they went digging and for the reasons I stated, because a few people were agreeing with me and I guess my points made sense. Otherwise, why would you remove it from view. It is ironic in that, removal from view is what I thought I was getting out of the Mdawg deal.

    Why did you think you needed to jump in and take action. It wasn't about you, it was about Mike. BBB used to do that shit. Over-step! Like you guys feel you need to protect Mike or something. Mike is a big boy and all he had to do was say no to a request for re-consideration.

    So while I apologize to Mike for thinking and saying it was him, the result remains the same. I am suspended for simply asking for a re-consideration and making my points? That forum is fucking too much, and some of you mods seem to abuse the power given to you. Not only that but now you are looking the other way, on obvious sock puppets for Mdawgshit. What a fucking forum!
    Not only was the whole thing a massive overreaction on your part, but now you also look like an asshole. Good on you for apologizing, though. Next time make sure your ducks are all in a row; you'll be lucky if none of the ne'er do wells floating around these forums (no names) don't direct Wizard to your posts here. Again, I would never do that, but I'd get my ass to editing if I were you.

    The only bullshit call was letting you back on WoV, well, and you getting Nuked to begin with, I suppose. In the Forum sense, you have become ridiculously volatile. You were great when you were getting the respect that comes from being one of the more prolific posters, but as soon as things didn't go your way, you lost it. I'm just relieved that you have more discipline than that (at least, it seems) in your life outside of the Forums as a card counter---or you would be fucked.

    Anyway, you just throw your toys around like a petulant six-year old when you don't get your way about something. I don't mean to harp on this---and I'll only offer additional responses on this line if you respond to this post---but you've really got to start trying to get more information and other perspectives on things before coming to your assumptions and losing your shit.

    Do you merely apologize for what you said, or do you now no longer mean some of it? Is there some of it you didn't mean to begin with?

    Anyway, if you want to regain the respect you once had at WoV, then may I suggest become one of the most prolific posters again? Let's get some new Blackjack threads out of you. Let's get some threads about the weirdest things people have seen while AP'ing. Threads about the most unusual AP's we have known (without naming them) or the strangest things that we have seen in casinos.

    Whether you like it or not, MDawg's thread is actually a good thread to the extent that it generates traffic and conversation. The detractors add to the traffic and conversation. I don't think that there's anything nefarious going on when it comes to ownership wanting to keep MDawg around---do you know HOW MANY sites they run with a fairly small team? I tend to think they'd be too busy to care about WoV very much. WoO is the money driver. I can't imagine ownership cares whether MDawg stays or goes and, for all I know, ownership hasn't even ever looked at that thread.

    Anyway, if you want MDawg's thread buried, then do it by creating better and more interesting threads. That's all. You guys want to shut him down and then what will be going on at WoV, more cooking threads?

  11. #6731
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Well ain't that some shit! It was Oncedear. I do owe Mike an apology. Although he could have stepped in. But I do apologize to Mike. (see how that works when you are wrong about something).

    Oncedear, I don't dislike you. I enjoy your sense of humor and you always treated me fairly, or so I thought. But this was a bullshit call. Nothing in that thread was trolling of Mike, nor certainly not you, which was listed on my suspension. It had nothing to do with you. It was a respectful asking of Mike to reconsider and I laid out my 3 or 4 points. All he had to do was say no if he didn't agree.

    The fact that the thread was "hidden" rather than removed is a small distinction. It was removed from view for most people unless they went digging and for the reasons I stated, because a few people were agreeing with me and I guess my points made sense. Otherwise, why would you remove it from view. It is ironic in that, removal from view is what I thought I was getting out of the Mdawg deal.

    Why did you think you needed to jump in and take action. It wasn't about you, it was about Mike. BBB used to do that shit. Over-step! Like you guys feel you need to protect Mike or something. Mike is a big boy and all he had to do was say no to a request for re-consideration.

    So while I apologize to Mike for thinking and saying it was him, the result remains the same. I am suspended for simply asking for a re-consideration and making my points? That forum is fucking too much, and some of you mods seem to abuse the power given to you. Not only that but now you are looking the other way, on obvious sock puppets for Mdawgshit. What a fucking forum!

    Well, I'm tech challenged, it's true, but I tried to find that thread by kewlJ and could not. So hidden for me was the same as removed.

    Now OnceDear, who previously I had a high opinion of (in no small part because he/she nominated a post of mine for post of the year), has also gone the route of publicly rooting for the EV/MDawg challenge to proceed in a manner that would in no way guarantee that it would look like the many sessions MDawg has written about. And then he/she suspends kewlJ for a thread that basically calls out Shackleford for a misdirection play regarding the kewlJ/Shackleford/MDawg posting agreement.

    So here's what I've learned:

    OnceDear appears to be overhooked on legalese. Oncedear has made some legalese arguments that might hold up with a judge but not a jury. By that I mean, OnceDear tried to jam a definition on the word "can" in an EV post that the average reader would not necessarily and frankly not likely apply. "Can" in the context used was clearly meant as a "must," and OnceDear argued otherwise. Then OnceDear, by suspending kewlJ, held kewlJ to Shackleford's unstated interpretation of the agreement while not checking with kewlJ to see if he had the same assumptions as Shackleford. Just like OnceDear held EV to OnceDear's unstated interpretation of the MDawg agreement without checking to see if those assumptions were shared by EV.

    Most average readers would not, I argue, have interpreted things as OnceDear did. And even if my "most" were somehow wrong, I guarantee that a large percentage of readers would not interpret those lines as OnceDear did.

    In other words, OnceDear is reading things narcissistically and acting on his/her idiosyncratic interpretations of things. When you're writing for an audience, you just can't do that. Mission, for example, has never done that in anything that I've read. He goes the other way, almost being overly precise and making sure everyone is on board with agreed definitions.

    I've read enough paranormal debunking (and done a tad myself), that I know the so-called agreements in the MDawg/EV/Shackleford thing were a mess. Just as they almost always are when (1) you have paranormal claimants and (2) you have novices, in this case people like Shackleford and Oncedear, interpreting first versions of alleged agreements through their own eyes without consulting an editor, a math-in-the-field advisor, or a magician. Any magician would have instantly told you that the EV/Mdawg agreements were crap as written.

    The trick to Randi's Million Dollar Challenge was all in the writing of the challenges. They had to be legally precise, scientifically precise, and allow no wiggle room. That's why, when presented with the final contracts, the claimants literally always backed out or failed.

    Let me know how to find that thread.
    Last edited by redietz; 04-12-2021 at 09:25 AM.

  12. #6732
    The problem with your theory, Mission, is that I already tried that, and MisterV already tried that, but we were shot down as being "parodies," and our threads removed, and we were suspended.

    And my thread was just about entirely true!

    We already had this discussion here. It's easy as pie to invent better, more far-fetched (mathematically) adventures. We talked about flooding WoV with a machine guy, a sports guy, a blackjack guy, all with wilder wins and sexier adventures than MDawg.

    But Shackleford won't allow it.

    So the question is, if MDawg wins 50 sessions in a row, and Shackleford allows it, why won't he allow me to post "The Adventures of Me" where I win 25 weeks in a row? Do you really think a thread with me winning 25 weeks in a row is any more unbelievable than MDawg winning 50 consecutive times? Do the math.

    Go ahead, Mission, let's hear your explanation.

  13. #6733
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    The problem with your theory, Mission, is that I already tried that, and MisterV already tried that, but we were shot down as being "parodies," and our threads removed, and we were suspended.

    And my thread was just about entirely true!

    We already had this discussion here. It's easy as pie to invent better, more far-fetched (mathematically) adventures. We talked about flooding WoV with a machine guy, a sports guy, a blackjack guy, all with wilder wins and sexier adventures than MDawg.

    But Shackleford won't allow it.

    So the question is, if MDawg wins 50 sessions in a row, and Shackleford allows it, why won't he allow me to post "The Adventures of Me" where I win 25 weeks in a row? Do you really think a thread with me winning 25 weeks in a row is any more unbelievable than MDawg winning 50 consecutive times? Do the math.

    Go ahead, Mission, let's hear your explanation.
    I don't mean to have a thread that is meant to be parodic or to copy the posting style. I'll probably start a thread or two in the next day or two just to give an example of what I mean. I should be more focused on doing the writing that results in wire transfers, but if I can find a few minutes to bullshit in these threads, then I can certainly also do that.

    Anyway, I'm not suggesting countering, "Far-fetched," threads with other far-fetched threads. I'm talking about creating interesting threads about things that we have witnessed. Again, the fact that betting systems don't work...how many times does it need to be said? I think, conservatively, some variant of that has been written 10,000 times between WoV and WoO. I'm not even being hyperbolic. If someone wants to ignore all of that to find some Baccarat system, then there's really nothing I or anyone else can do for them. They are going to seek out what they want to read---and what they want to read is that there's an easy way to win at gambling, so easy, in fact, that mathematical concepts are irrelevant and not necessary to know.

    In other words, some people are going to be dumb asses. I can try to help with that a little bit, but I simply haven't the time to devote hours to countering one thread.

    As far as your thread goes, was it or was it not to be mocking and/or parodic? That's not a trap question. My response legitimately depends on your answer.

  14. #6734
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    I only know it's possible because I watched it on media:
    Good Video.
    I've seen similar live shows.
    I like when they do tables and chairs and spin them.
    It must take some serious practice and concentration.

    Next thing these guys are going to tell us is that Richard Turner is Fake and isn't blind and can't manipulate a deck of cards.
    Ricky Jay was Fake too.
    Oh and by the way... Richard Turner went blind around the age of 10 to make what he does even a bit more incredible.
    Holy fuck all is Richard Turner talented (Ricky Jay was too - look up Renaissance Man in the dictionary and you'll see his picture in the margin next to the definition of the term). Yes another great example you provided of you wouldn't believe it unless you saw it. Final verdict on dice control - I would not dismiss the possibility after seeing how talented some people are.
    Last edited by tableplay; 04-12-2021 at 09:59 AM.

  15. #6735
    Redietz, the thread by KewlJ can be found on the General Discussion page.


    Meanwhile, I cannot find the second latest take-off version of the MDawg thread. I am not sure that the moderators combined the two threads into one.

  16. #6736
    One thing is clear. None of you guys have any friends in real life.

  17. #6737
    A frustrating thing about the Wiz's position on allowing MotherfuckingDawg to post his fantasy BS is that it is the antithesis of what that place once stood for, 'the lair of the math boyz."

    It's like giving front and center stage to a member of the "flat earth society" at a convention of cosmologists and astronomers.

    I fear the new owners are telling the Wiz to do whatever it takes to attract more eyeballs to the site, even if what it takes is a train filled with two-headed calves careening off a bridge and bursting into flames on a convent in the valley below.
    Last edited by MisterV; 04-12-2021 at 10:15 AM.
    What, Me Worry?

  18. #6738
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Let me know how to find that thread.
    OK. What I'd do is find any post by kewlj then click on his name to see his profile.
    https://wizardofvegas.com/member/kewlj/
    Then click on the link to his list of posts, and seek out the last one. Then scroll down that thread to where I suspended him and my reason for doing so..

  19. #6739
    Basically, UNKewlJ gave away his birthright for a bowl of cold porridge when he excluded himself from my thread in exchange for having my thread moved to a different section. I knew moving it would have absolutely no effect and didn't care, so I readily agreed.

    I refer to it as a birthright only because he cares so much about posting about MDawg. He is what makes this so amusing, that he cares so much.

    At the same time, I assume the last straw was when the UnKewl one was whining about that I posted some chips that were not from my current trip. Wizard got tired of dealing with UnKewl's trolling and ratting and wanted him out of that thread.

    Once again, as with some others, if UNKewl had just kept his mouth shut Wizard would have thought UnKewl was a horse and let him through.
    I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.

    MDawg Adventures carry on at: https://www.truepassage.com/forums/f.../46-IPlayVegas

  20. #6740
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    A frustrating thing about the Wiz's position on allowing MotherfuckingDawg to post his fantasy BS is that it is the antithesis of what that place once stood for, 'the lair of the math boyz."

    It's like giving front and center stage to a member of the "flat earth society" at a convention of cosmologists and astronomers.

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