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  1. #6961
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    No I don't. These discussions are about things I only know a little about because I wasn't there at the time, so I know parts of stories and might be wrong about the half I know. Probably shouldn't have said anything under those circumstance. So I apologize. Lets just move on.
    Apology both unnecessary and also accepted.

  2. #6962
    Now lets get into this Mdwag/Wizard meeting and challenge or whatever it has morphed into. Did I miss something about this. Darkoz paid the money last week and everything seems to have gone radio silent?
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  3. #6963
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    As for RED, for some reason they don’t find his humor funny over there. While strange, I find it entertaining and certainly not worth a suspension except for who runs that forum. And that person isn’t Mike of course these days.

    Say anything that goes against the claims of the Wizards new money mark and you are in trouble. OD is the only one trying to hold it together there and he is walking on pins and needles.
    Sorry, late to the plate on this one. Working hard these days, putting in long days, playing 'catchup' with EV and trying to make the best of the beautiful weather knowing it will be stifling hot in another month or so.

    Couldn't agree more with this observation from Boz. From his very first post at WoV, I got the feeling that the WoV membership and Mike in particular didn't 'get' or 'appreciate' or 'like' Redietz's humor and posting. And once you get off to that kind of start there, a bias against you kicks in. I didn't say too much at the time, because I myself don't 'get' half of what Redietz says.

    I also get the feeling there is a bit of a bias against other members from this site that have made the crossover in recent months. It is like a strike against you.

    I am not going to keep railing against WoV, other than to repeat it is nothing like it used to be. NOT even close. It is all about trolling and game playing, seeing how much you can push the envelope without crossing whatever line. There is basically little difference in this forum, except Shackleford, isn't objective and takes sides and suspends people at a whim, depending on how he feels that day. At least this forum, you know the rules....there are no rules except don't bust on Dan Druff's religion.
    Your the only true 50/50 man on both sites. There are many people that are extremely lopsided on one site or the other ex: OnceDear, MIA Pokergrinder, etc. Then there are many of us with a backbone, who read over there who refuse to post

  4. #6964
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    OD is the only one trying to hold it together there and he is walking on pins and needles.
    Forgot to also agree with this. OD is trying hard to hold things together, I give him credit, but it seems like a lost cause.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  5. #6965
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Your the only true 50/50 man on both sites.
    That is coming to an end. I don't see any point in continuing with what I perceive as an obvious bias against me. And if Mike is reading, this is not me announcing I am withdrawing or whatever that dumb rule is. I reserve the right to change my mind, unless that option is taken from me, but right now I don't see any point in returning. It just is not the forum I was hoping and wanted to get back to. Mfraud and his sockpuppets seems to have taken control and I want no more part of that. And a conscious decision has been made to allow and look the other way about sockpuppets using VPNs. That makes the site a joke. At least here, if you can get Dan's attention about an obvious sock, he will take care of it.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  6. #6966
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Your the only true 50/50 man on both sites.
    That is coming to an end. I don't see any point in continuing with what I perceive as an obvious bias against me. And if Mike is reading, this is not me announcing I am withdrawing or whatever that dumb rule is. I reserve the right to change my mind, unless that option is taken from me, but right now I don't see any point in returning. It just is not the forum I was hoping and wanted to get back to. Mfraud and his sockpuppets seems to have taken control and I want no more part of that. And a conscious decision has been made to allow and look the other way about sockpuppets using VPNs. That makes the site a joke. At least here, if you can get Dan's attention about an obvious sock, he will take care of it.
    If lightning strikes in the same spot back to back days and you relinquish your infamous title of 50/50 man, I'm sure MrV will gladly accept the award

  7. #6967
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    Isn’t that Chump a sock of OneNickel? Then both sound the same as broke ass losers who have mental issues. ONM has been around forums for years crying how poor he is and about all the problems in his life. They seem one and the same and probably should be committed.
    I missed this. The thought that they are one and the same has legitimately never occurred to me and I've never had a reason to believe that.

  8. #6968
    alan has left WoV, yet again:

    "I'll stick to discussions about gaming and casinos, hopefully with others who don't need to discuss sashimi, politics and how big their keystrokes are."

    I suspect that AndrewG will ask his employer for more break time at work so he can consult with alan and post more frequently here on alan's behalf.

    Hey, what are lackeys for if not to do the heavy lifting?

    Oh, BTW, AndrewG: no sashimi for you!
    What, Me Worry?

  9. #6969
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    Isn’t that Chump a sock of OneNickel? Then both sound the same as broke ass losers who have mental issues. ONM has been around forums for years crying how poor he is and about all the problems in his life. They seem one and the same and probably should be committed.
    I missed this. The thought that they are one and the same has legitimately never occurred to me and I've never had a reason to believe that.
    I don't think that Chump Change and Onenickelmiracle are the same Person either ...
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Zk2WAFzDcrJ7pjNB7

    Take comfort in the fact that no one is actually backing up his wishes to have you permanantly banned.


    Smart is knowing a Tomato is a fruit.

    Wise is knowing a Tomato doesn't belong in a fruit salad.



    I am glad to get my full posting rights back! Thank you Dan!

  10. #6970
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    Isn’t that Chump a sock of OneNickel? Then both sound the same as broke ass losers who have mental issues. ONM has been around forums for years crying how poor he is and about all the problems in his life. They seem one and the same and probably should be committed.
    I missed this. The thought that they are one and the same has legitimately never occurred to me and I've never had a reason to believe that.
    I don't think that Chump Change and Onenickelmiracle are the same Person either ...
    I've said this before the most frequent sock creators are often the worst sock detectors. But you also might be trolling like you often do. Mission is just being typical Mission.

  11. #6971
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I reserve the right to change my mind
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    Indecisive?
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post

    And KewlJ remains indecisive as always, vowing that he would not return to WOV, but crawling back there immediately anyway.
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    So after realizing that Mike moved the thread and it was still on the main board, I PMed him and told him I misunderstood and what I mistakenly thought. I mean this was an hour after the so called deal.




    CHECK!

    Unable to maintain resolve?
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I don't care for Mike's solution at WoV, so I won't be interacting there


    CHECK!
    I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.

    MDawg Adventures carry on at: https://www.truepassage.com/forums/f.../46-IPlayVegas

  12. #6972
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Any post I make there has two purposes -- (1) demonstrate the forum is a joke and (2) get me suspended/banned/castrated/whatever.
    REDietz is determined to be a disruptive, unwelcome, presence at WOV.
    I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.

    MDawg Adventures carry on at: https://www.truepassage.com/forums/f.../46-IPlayVegas

  13. #6973
    MDawg Wins... Wizard Approved.
    Sponsored by DarkOz!
    Helicopters flying on Mars.
    Math Geeks proven Wrong!
    AxelWolf still Scamming 2021.
    KNIBB HIGH FOOTBALL RULES!!

    Last edited by monet; 04-22-2021 at 08:29 AM.

  14. #6974
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Any post I make there has two purposes -- (1) demonstrate the forum is a joke and (2) get me suspended/banned/castrated/whatever.
    REDietz is determined to be a disruptive, unwelcome, presence at WOV.


    LOL. Sounds like I lose my decoder ring and fan club bumper sticker.

    MDawg, why don't you be a welcome presence and please copy and paste my post over at WoV? I'd appreciate it.

    Thanks in advance.

  15. #6975
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    MDawg Wins... Wizard Approved.
    Sponsored by DarkOz!
    Helicopters flying on Mars.
    Math Geeks proven Wrong!
    AxelWolf still Scamming 2021.
    KNIBB HIGH FOOTBALL RULES!!
    I will post my thoughts here, rather than post in the Mfraud thread which should be placed in a voodoo section or 'labeled' voodoo as it is on other forums.

    Congratulations to Mdawg and I mean that sincerely. He continues to "play" the WoV forum and make a mockery of Shackleford, WoV and math. In this case he took a wager, or contest, that was +EV and won. As it was laid out it had nothing to do with proving or disproving anything about Mdawgs claims, which was the initial objective way back when, when Shackleford was being honest about looking into Mdawgs claims. Not a single person anywhere that Mdawg posts these fantasy claims, believes anything different than they did before this challenge.

    Now onto Mike Shackleford. He too grabbed the plus EV and money from this stupid whatever-you-want-to-call-it, contest I guess. I don't blame him for that. But if that is all he is going to post on the subject and not share his impressions of Mdawgs play and his opinion of two plus years of math-defying claims, as per his initial "time to put up or shut up" statement then Shackleford becomes completely complicit in these deceitful, bullshit claims. He should give up his title of Wizard, respected gambling math expert, as he just becomes another forum owner/administrator, embracing voodoo/bullshit claims in exchange for increased traffic at his forum. In other words: Shackleford proving YET AGAIN what a sellout he is for a little bit of money. This idea that he is about helping gamblers and player be better players is and always was a lie! Shame on you Michael Shackleford.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  16. #6976
    Aren't your Blackjack winnings enough to buy a life by now? Seriously, what did Wizard do wrong here?

    We get it. You do not like MDawg's thread. That is not hard to see. You do not believe everything that MDawg posts. I speculate that most people would not profess to believe every word.

    Now, please tell me what Forum Rule MDawg's postings have violated. I'm not an Admin and I'll say whatever the hell I want over there, (within the rules) but I'd be a, "Sell-out," too, for $0. Why? Because if I were still an Admin, I can honestly say that I see absolutely no justification to Nuke Mdawg...at least as far as the rules go.

  17. #6977
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I will post my thoughts here, rather than post in the Mfraud thread which should be placed in a voodoo section or 'labeled' voodoo as it is on other forums.
    Every single one of your cheating/rigged shuffler posts belong in that same voodoo section.

  18. #6978
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Aren't your Blackjack winnings enough to buy a life by now? Seriously, what did Wizard do wrong here?

    We get it. You do not like MDawg's thread. That is not hard to see. You do not believe everything that MDawg posts. I speculate that most people would not profess to believe every word.

    Now, please tell me what Forum Rule MDawg's postings have violated. I'm not an Admin and I'll say whatever the hell I want over there, (within the rules) but I'd be a, "Sell-out," too, for $0. Why? Because if I were still an Admin, I can honestly say that I see absolutely no justification to Nuke Mdawg...at least as far as the rules go.
    Wizard has an obligation to honestly share his impression of Mdawgs play and more importantly if there his play could result in these claims as stated for many years now. That is what Mike said he was going to do back in December....sincerely look into it. At the time he said he would be able to determine fairly quickly whether Mdawgs play was anything but a longterm losing strategy. I want to hold him to that, instead of now being complicit in Mdawgs scam like he has become.

    What rule has Mdawg broke? Creating sock puppets in an attempt to create fals credibility for one, which IS a bann-able offense. But I am not calling for him to be banned. Just allow people to repeated to repeatedly call his bullshit what it is...bullshit, voodoo, nonsense, fantasy, FICTION (which I was suspended for saying). And I say repeatedly, because Mdawg repeatedly makes these claims on a daily basis, multiple times a day, so they should be called out repeatedly, multiple times a day.

    And don't tell me about my life, you fucking TARD! My like is that of an advantage player, and I and other legitimate advantage players have a right to call out gambling bullshit claims.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  19. #6979
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Wizard has an obligation to honestly share his impression of Mdawgs play and more importantly if there his play could result in these claims as stated for many years now. That is what Mike said he was going to do back in December....sincerely look into it. At the time he said he would be able to determine fairly quickly whether Mdawgs play was anything but a longterm losing strategy. I want to hold him to that, instead of now being complicit in Mdawgs scam like he has become.

    What rule has Mdawg broke? Creating sock puppets in an attempt to create fals credibility for one, which IS a bann-able offense. But I am not calling for him to be banned. Just allow people to repeated to repeatedly call his bullshit what it is...bullshit, voodoo, nonsense, fantasy, FICTION (which I was suspended for saying). And I say repeatedly, because Mdawg repeatedly makes these claims on a daily basis, multiple times a day, so they should be called out repeatedly, multiple times a day.

    And don't tell me about my life, you fucking TARD! My like is that of an advantage player, and I and other legitimate advantage players have a right to call out gambling bullshit claims.
    Darkoz appears to have directly asked Wizard for his opinion as to whether or not MDawg's style of play, by itself, is sufficient to make Baccarat a positive expectation endeavor. I can already tell you that the answer will be either, "No," or, "Not without something else going on," something along those lines. That's a pretty simple question to answer.

    Okay, and I take it you presume that an Admin, or Wizard himself (since he seems to be your only target) has absolute proof that MDawg has created socks and is taking no action? You must presume that, because if you do not presume that, then your answer is not satisfactory as to what rule violation has taken place.

    I don't see anything that says nobody can go in there and, as many times as they wish, state that Baccarat is a negative expectation game that cannot be beaten by a betting system in and of itself. I've said that many times in that thread. You'll forgive me for having other things to do with my time such that I do not do this every four minutes. It takes me longer to have a smoke than that, for one thing, and I do not smoke indoors (casinos aside).

    Other advantage players tend to be less obsessive about forum drama, from what I can tell. It doesn't concern me that you have called me a, "Tard," because not only do you not believe that, but even if you did, I'm not certain that I would care.

  20. #6980
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I will post my thoughts here, rather than post in the Mfraud thread which should be placed in a voodoo section or 'labeled' voodoo as it is on other forums.
    Every single one of your cheating/rigged shuffler posts belong in that same voodoo section.
    Ok, I said I would address this the other day when I was out and decided not to because I didn't want to keep this going and drag other people into it.

    But you are just a flat out liar! I suspect you know the truth and just don't want it shared, because you take advantage of it at times. If that is the case you can be critical of discussions about it, but don't flat out lie.

    You know it is true because you know players taking advantage of it, if you are not. I passed the ASM I acquired (at my cost) on to of the top and most respected table game players in the world , so talk to him. And I know he uses this technique when he can find the right situation because contacted me and advised me of just such a situation at a chain casino, up in the northern part of the Vegas valley that he had been playing, but said he was pulling out to travel somewhere else. Turns out he had played it to the max. Just as my brother and I stared playing we were 86ed. Great guy sharing a played out play. But that is ok.

    If you really don't believe (which I don't think is the case), you may also want to talk to Bob Nersesian. I have had several conversations with Bob about this topic as have others. Bob knows it is real, but keeps telling everyone it would be near impossible to win a legal case proving it. Damages would be hard to prove and such a case would get WAY bogged down in the math, basically losing the jury's interest. Anyone who inquires, he will tell, best case scenario would be to bring action with NGC, but that is not going to result in any damages or even admission of guilt. Best case is a slap on the wrist fine and NGC telling the industry they can't use those machines. Pretty much the Mindplay result. And of course AP's playing this angle when they come across it don't want that.

    I am a little different because there is a principal involved for me. You don't do whatever you can to stop the casino industry in this case, then next time and there will be a next time with some new technology that allows them to grab a bigger advantage that should be allowed, and they do it. Until you stop them, they will keep grabbing more and more.

    But I am overruled. No one else wants to get involved, so it will just stay status quo. The industry fleecing unsuspecting ploppies and non-AP's with a higher advantage from non random shuffle, while a few AP's take advantage of it and try to keep it quiet. Don't bother denying and I am not going to keep responding. No reason to.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

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