How many think the Wizard and the little dog split $1250 each and laughed about fucking DarkOz?
Or MD allowed Wiz to just kept the entire $2500 for allowing him to continue the fantasy?
What exactly has the Wizard done to show he is trustworthy recently?
This meant far more to MD than anyone else so it’s not far fetched at all and no one can prove it actually happened.
Will the Wizard now change his thoughts on “systems” since he now seems to be advocating this one is legit?
I think these scenarios are very possible, Boz. That is what happens when you do these things in the dark. You open the door to collusion.Originally Posted by The Boz
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
Yeah right...are you ever going to shut up?Originally Posted by kewlJ
What a fucking tewl.
And by the way, I’m still not sure what DarkOz expected out of this unless there is more going on than publicly known by us.
His money, his choice but $2500 is still $2500 regardless of what one has or is worth. There was no upside in my opinion, even if he trusted Mike. KJ has laid this out for months, obsessively I might say, from the Wizards original statement months ago about proving it. If he feels MD has a system to consistently beat the casinos, he should say it without the details. And if in the unlikely event this happened as listed, he also should say it was luck and no system can beat a negative game...unless he believes the guy has found a way to beat the math.
In the end to most of us the Wiz comes out looking worse than MD and I’ll admit I didn’t think that was possible.
Originally Posted by Mission146
Frankly, Mission, none of my posts break any rules, either, but Shackleford keep vetoing them. Take that last post. It's in the voodoo systems section, along with MDawg. Anybody can claim anything there. There's nothing inherently more insane about praying to deities for results than relying on paranormal abilities for results. If anything, more people should agree with the former.
As far as the rules go, there's no justification to nuke MDawg. No justification to suspend me, either.
But that's not really what this is about. You know that. I know that. KewlJ knows that.
It's about why a high profile website manager, who has spent more than a decade promoting his math-based website and alleged math/gambling skills, has decided to allow nonsensical fantasy reports to become the flagship for his site. That's what has happened. Shackleford has not only allowed it; he's actively defended it.
Shackleford has gone bottom up regarding the perspective the site had championed for a decade or more. In addition, he's allowing socks/cheerleaders/fan club aficionados all over the place, constantly, repetitively.
That is what WoV has become. It's a joke.
First, good for darkoz! That is what this was supposed to all be about!!Originally Posted by Mission146
There is one interesting thing from Mdawgs write up. First I will conced that I may have been wrong jumping on the Axelwolf bandwagon that Mdawgs high end play and hotel suites and all were fantasy. I initially though he was a high end losing player, a rich brat with money that likes to gamble and gets comped accordingly. Nothing wrong with that. I went with Axelwolfs theories because he is usually right about these things. If Axel has anymore info to add, I would like to hear. But all the winning was the bullshit. Mdawg is a losing player, that is why he gets comped as he does.
So there was a mention in Mdawgs write up that was interesting, stemming from when Wizard and Mdawg were cuddling in the suite together.. The mention was of "concessions" that Mdawg has negotiated from the casinos. We are talking about loss rebate here and again this is something that was thrown in at the last minute a week ago, after Mdawg FINALLY experienced a loss. Never before in the years long history was there mention of a loss rebate and last year when I finally had the change to engage Mdawg, one of my very first questions was as to whether he was doing something that make his play +EV and he has repeatedly said no. So he was either lying then or is lying now. You can't change the story in the final chapter.
And about any loss rebate: A loss rebate would not change the fact that all that winning every session for months and years is bullshit. Doesn't work that way. That is just a part of the puzzle that he introduced and changed last second, but still don't fit.
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
Originally Posted by coach bellyYeah right...are you ever going to shut up?Originally Posted by kewlJ
What a fucking tewl.
Coach, did you ever find out what MDawg did with the 180 million in bitcoin? Did you ask him? Doesn't he want to tell you?
We do know he lost $29 million since the peak on the original amount, but we can also rest assured he was trading more daily and made millions more no matter what way it moves. Just like his stock trades, he can’t lose!Originally Posted by redietzOriginally Posted by coach bellyYeah right...are you ever going to shut up?Originally Posted by kewlJ
What a fucking tewl.
Coach, did you ever find out what MDawg did with the 180 million in bitcoin? Did you ask him? Doesn't he want to tell you?
Don’t believe me? Just ask him.
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/1fb30d4...b-6c3c814e140d
I did ask MDawg about the bitcoin. It was not 180 million.Originally Posted by redietz
That figure was concocted by a hater who cannot accept
short-term win goals and quitting while ahead.
Your theories are irrelevant.
What more does MDawg have to do?
He got your Blessed Honest Abe Math Genius to witness and confirm the Challenge.
MDawg Won and Mike witnessed and signed that everything MDawg said about the challenge was true.
So now Mike is a Con-Man scamming his members eh?
Thought so... can't wait till you all admit that about AxelWolf.
Next thing you guys will tell me is that they didn't fly helicopters on Mars, the Earth is Flat and the Moon Landing is a Hoax.
They never said the Earth was flat by the way they said it is more like a pancake... not completely flat.
I wouldn't be surprised as everything I've been told from my youth on up has turned out to be a lie.
I have to wait for death to confirm Heaven and Hell but by that time it won't matter.
Personally I like the picture below.
Not that I believe it or that it matters if the Earth is Square, Pancake, Round or Flat.
I just like the picture.
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Short term win goals and quitting while ahead are proven voodoo concepts! They canNOT produce longterm winning out comes.Originally Posted by coach belly
So you believe a guy can walk into a casino, bet black and win 3 out of 4 (a perfect example of short-term win goals and quitting while ahead) and do that everyday for a year and be ahead at the end of the year? Yes or No coach belly. And don't give me its possible bullshit. Is this a real winning strategy? because that is exactly what we are talking about here and it does not work that way and anyone advocating and supporting that it does is either intentionally lying or an idiot. Which are you?
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
Good one porkchop. Pass the donuts if you haven't eaten all dozen, please.Originally Posted by monet
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
Point is now you all are Fucked because if MDawg is scamming so is Mike which means he has always been scamming.Originally Posted by kewlJGood one porkchop. Pass the donuts if you haven't eaten all dozen, please.
That's why he had years worth of dealings with StrictlyAP aka WoN.
I'm not mad about it though.
I'm glad that Mike allows anyone to use his free VP Strategy Maker online.
I will probably get viciously insulted about having a developmental disability for posing the question, but is this the time that Kewlj finally actually quits WoV and stays that way?
I’d still need odds to theoretically take that bet, but shorter odds than previous times.
It did mean more to MDawg? I didn't see MDawg paying Wizard to come do anything. Darkoz can speak for himself, but I'd at least hope that something happened behind the scenes that would prove to Darkoz' satisfaction that the meeting and play at least actually took place.Originally Posted by The Boz
I'd want proof of at least that much if it was me. On the other hand, while I do sometimes pay money for stupid things, I wouldn't be inclined to purchase that stupid thing specifically.
Rule 19. Other thread. Mention of religion, particularly made worse (as far as the rules go) since it was part of a satire anyway.Originally Posted by redietzOriginally Posted by Mission146
Frankly, Mission, none of my posts break any rules, either, but Shackleford keep vetoing them. Take that last post. It's in the voodoo systems section, along with MDawg. Anybody can claim anything there. There's nothing inherently more insane about praying to deities for results than relying on paranormal abilities for results. If anything, more people should agree with the former.
As far as the rules go, there's no justification to nuke MDawg. No justification to suspend me, either.
But that's not really what this is about. You know that. I know that. KewlJ knows that.
It's about why a high profile website manager, who has spent more than a decade promoting his math-based website and alleged math/gambling skills, has decided to allow nonsensical fantasy reports to become the flagship for his site. That's what has happened. Shackleford has not only allowed it; he's actively defended it.
Shackleford has gone bottom up regarding the perspective the site had championed for a decade or more. In addition, he's allowing socks/cheerleaders/fan club aficionados all over the place, constantly, repetitively.
That is what WoV has become. It's a joke.
The way I see it, you have two options if you're Wizard AND Wizard actually cares to address your concern:
1.) You no longer allow betting system posts at all.
2.) You do not allow the Betting Systems subsection to appear on Recent Threads.
Those things aside, what the fuck do you want him to do? Here's MDawg----MDawg's reporting his individual daily results that are not mathematically impossible---oh, shit, someone just paid $2,500 and it turns out MDawg is a real person---oh, shit, if Wizard is to be believed, it turns out that at least some of what MDawg is claiming appears to be true---
So, I ask you, other than banning MDawg for literally no reason whatsoever or censoring him even though his posts do not break any rules, what do you propose be done? You guys sure do a lot of, "Wizard this, Wizard that," for people that don't seem to offer any specifics on what alternative actions might be done.
If it's a joke, then it's a joke. Even accepting that as true, (which I don't) who gives a fuck? It's a fucking message board. We're people who don't matter talking about things that don't matter because each and every one of us is at least worthless enough to not have something better that we could be doing with our time. The fact that we have spent so much time having just this line of conversation is incontrovertible evidence of just how little practical value our time has and how little it takes to entertain us. I'm sadly complicit in this.
Irrelevant...the player cannot reach the long term.Originally Posted by kewlJ
MDawg said that he would play the same as he always does,
and win like he always does, and he just did that with a witness.
You have said countless times that what he just did is not possible,
and you're sure of that because you read it in a book.
Wise up you fucking tewl.
I disagree somewhat with Mission's "waste of time" argument. When I contacted USA Today their first year of publication and spelled out that their two full pages of sports service ads were all hokum, that was a service to them and their readers. They ignored me (for months), but then, when reality came calling, they had to change their policies. Did I waste my time? Yeah, I did, but maybe the fact they had my letters and calls warning them helped them pull the plug a day or a week earlier than they otherwise would have.
Regardless, people with expertise owe it to civilians to call out hokum. To paraphrase Spider-Man, "With great expertise comes great responsibility."
Is it a waste of time? Usually. Should it be done regardless? If someone with expertise doesn't do it, then who will?
And that's why I have issues with Shackleford and WoV. The flagship poster is promulgating hokum just like those two full pages of sports service ads with the 93-8 ATS records. If you have gambling expertise, it's your responsibility to call out the flim-flam.
Anyway, don't mind me. I'm an insufferable prick, and worse than that, I'm projecting. I'm more than a little annoyed with myself that I care enough about this to even have an opinion, much less discuss it.
I put shitstickDawg on IGNORE / blocked the douchebag on both sites, so with my self-imposed blinders on I am pretty much unaware of the recent goings on about the bet with darkoz.
Ah, ignorance IS sometimes blissful ...
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