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  1. #8281
    Since they both claim to have a way of beating baccarat MDawg and Mikki Mase should be interviewed together. Maybe they could interrogate each other.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  2. #8282
    My suggestion of going to Steve Cyr was to get an "independent" and expert answer to the question of douchedawg's comps: from losing as KJ claims or from winning as the dawg barks.
    What, Me Worry?

  3. #8283
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    My suggestion of going to Steve Cyr was to get an "independent" and expert answer to the question of douchedawg's comps: from losing as KJ claims or from winning as the dawg barks.
    I understand the answer is that comps are based on amount wagered (action) and theo loss based on that amount. But there is a point that if the player is winning, winning, winning and showing no expected loss, that the casino says wait a minute now. And that point is long before 365 days comped in the high end suite.

    Casinos are run by pencil pushers now and for the last 20-30 years. Guys (and girls) with business degrees. And they are interested in the bottom line and the bottom line is they aren't giving a comped suite to someone that isn't showing a loss for 365 days. That simply is not how these billion dollar places on the strip were built, nor how they operate.

    I mean what is the value of such a suite. The casino will place an over-priced value of several thousand a night right. If it is the higher end suite as Mdog claims maybe $5000 a night? So at 365 nights a year, that is a value of a million and a half if they rented that suite instead of comped. So if someone is staying in the suite for a solid year, they are expecting multiple million dollars in losses. I mean seriously, how long do you think they put up with a player winning, as Mdog claims and still comp the suite. It is just way beyond ridiculous that he claims a comped suite for going on a year (less 2 weeks in December when he returned to California), and claims all this winning on top. That is pure fantasy.

    Now you take out the claim of all that winning and replace with losses equal to expectation and the story begins to make more sense.....more in line with how Las Vegas works.

    There are many, many other things about this long running claim that don't work either. Remember the "mansion" purchased in Las Vegas last June for mid 7 figures? That would be 4-7 million. Never mentioned again. No move in. No nights spent there.

    I am willing to let all this other crap go and just have him interviewed by a gambling math expert and explain how he has won at a negative expectation game for a year now. 2 negative expectation games as there have now been several months of blackjack mixed in. If he can do that and the math works, I will apologize and say no more. But the story as he has told it for a year now can not be. And the guy that is supposed to stand up and say that has been paid or otherwise manipulated into keeping silent.

  4. #8284
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Since they both claim to have a way of beating baccarat MDawg and Mikki Mase should be interviewed together. Maybe they could interrogate each other.
    Mickey, I don't follow this Mikki dude. I know some of you do and are agitated by him, similar to how some are agitated by Christopher Mitchell and the blackjack army guy a few years back. You Tube has basically become a platform for these scammers. And it is more complicated because they get a revenue stream from posting bullshit on you tube, so the platform is actually paying them and encouraging this crap.

    I hold that different that a gambling forum started by and still run by one of the top gambling math guys. There has to be a point that posting this kind of misleading BS that defies math is not ok on such a site. And that point should have been long ago.

    Very low bar.....The math has to work. These claims going on a year for this trip, but really much longer because the claims started several years ago with other trips. that low bar has not been met. The math has never worked. These claims defy the math. And that is the difference between this BS and other players claims that one may find suspect. There are other claims that I question. I will name one darkoz. Seems like he is using some fuzzy or muddled math at times but it is close enough that it could be. But this Mdogs claims flat out defy the math.

  5. #8285
    I think my proposal that one of the accepted gambling math experts interview this guy is very fair. Mdog even gets the attention he craves. Someone that will ask the right questions and not agree to NOT say anything as Wizard has done. Mickey you would be a good person, certainly a very knowledgeable gambling math expert, except I am not aware of any podcast or platform that you have to do so.

    If Mdog can convince a genuine advantage player and gambling math expert that he has won defying the math, I will apologize and pat him on the back. But it is time to get to the bottom of this, is it not?

  6. #8286
    Geez, another ten pages of psychotic drool. What the Hell is with you guys?

    There have been 30 ghost viewers viewing this thread for the last year, even when it sinks out of sight for a while.

    Totally mindless piss, with legend lawyer Mr.V throwing in his "professional" two cents here and there.

    Who will ever give a fuck?
    Every one /everyone knows it all; yet, no thing /nothing is truly known by any one /anyone. Similarly, the suckers think that they win, but, the house always wins, unless to hand out an even worse beating.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsa6ojQcYXQ

    Garnabby + OppsIdidItAgain + ThomasClines (or TomasHClines) + The Grim Reaper + LMR + OneHitWonder (or 1HitWonder, 1Hit1der) + Bill Yung ---> GOTTLOB1, or GOTTLOB = Praise to God!

    Blog at https://garnabby.blogspot.com/

  7. #8287
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Top interviewers to question Michel would be in order 1- Druff 2- James Bigjohn 3-Little Munchkin 4-Jacobsen....Last but not least one of the biggest forum legends of all time and biggest punching bag, the one and only Alan "Andrew" "Mendelbread" Mendelson
    Hey, fuck you guys. JK

    Didn't any of you read my interview with DarkOz or Josh Axelrad? I'd like to think I conduct a decent interview. Can you expand the list to Top 20 so I make it? I'm insecure like that.

    That said, it seems counterintuitive that KewlJ would want to have MORE attention put on MDawg. You guys really don't understand how to make people you perceive as, 'Problems,' go away, do you? I'll give you a hint: Giving them more attention, when attention (according to some) is the very thing they crave isn't it.

  8. #8288
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Top interviewers to question Michel would be in order 1- Druff 2- James Bigjohn 3-Little Munchkin 4-Jacobsen....Last but not least one of the biggest forum legends of all time and biggest punching bag, the one and only Alan "Andrew" "Mendelbread" Mendelson
    Hey, fuck you guys. JK

    Didn't any of you read my interview with DarkOz or Josh Axelrad? I'd like to think I conduct a decent interview. Can you expand the list to Top 20 so I make it? I'm insecure like that.

    That said, it seems counterintuitive that KewlJ would want to have MORE attention put on MDawg. You guys really don't understand how to make people you perceive as, 'Problems,' go away, do you? I'll give you a hint: Giving them more attention, when attention (according to some) is the very thing they crave isn't it.
    I'll throw you in the honorary mentions with part time fly by nighter Alex the Warrior Wolf. In essence you should be ahead of the Wolf now, since you've upgraded yourself to full timer, from extreme part time frenzy poster

  9. #8289
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Hey, fuck you guys. JK

    Didn't any of you read my interview with DarkOz or Josh Axelrad? I'd like to think I conduct a decent interview. Can you expand the list to Top 20 so I make it? I'm insecure like that.

    That said, it seems counterintuitive that KewlJ would want to have MORE attention put on MDawg. You guys really don't understand how to make people you perceive as, 'Problems,' go away, do you? I'll give you a hint: Giving them more attention, when attention (according to some) is the very thing they crave isn't it.
    Mission, can you post links to the Darkoz and and Axelwolf interviews?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  10. #8290
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Top interviewers to question Michel would be in order 1- Druff 2- James Bigjohn 3-Little Munchkin 4-Jacobsen....Last but not least one of the biggest forum legends of all time and biggest punching bag, the one and only Alan "Andrew" "Mendelbread" Mendelson
    Hey, fuck you guys. JK

    Didn't any of you read my interview with DarkOz or Josh Axelrad? I'd like to think I conduct a decent interview. Can you expand the list to Top 20 so I make it? I'm insecure like that.

    That said, it seems counterintuitive that KewlJ would want to have MORE attention put on MDawg. You guys really don't understand how to make people you perceive as, 'Problems,' go away, do you? I'll give you a hint: Giving them more attention, when attention (according to some) is the very thing they crave isn't it.
    First, I have not read the Josh Axelrad interview. Can you link to it. I used to communicate privately a bit with Josh, but lost touch, so would be interested to read it.

    Second, your omission by me was intentional. I don't even know where you are on this issue as you have been all over the place, arguing on Mdogs behalf.... arguments I don't think you actually believe, but just were in one of your argumentative moods. Mdog is actually using quotes from you on another forum. Quotes I believe taken out of context, things like "You find him more credible than me". And since you have not pushed back on that I feel like you may not be the unbiased person to do such an interview. I am interested in someone that is going to ask the right questions, not someone going to give him a pass. Shackleford has already given him a pass for over a year.

  11. #8291
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Hey, fuck you guys. JK

    Didn't any of you read my interview with DarkOz or Josh Axelrad? I'd like to think I conduct a decent interview. Can you expand the list to Top 20 so I make it? I'm insecure like that.

    That said, it seems counterintuitive that KewlJ would want to have MORE attention put on MDawg. You guys really don't understand how to make people you perceive as, 'Problems,' go away, do you? I'll give you a hint: Giving them more attention, when attention (according to some) is the very thing they crave isn't it.
    Mission, can you post links to the Darkoz and and Axelwolf interviews?
    Josh Axelrad (Written back-and-forth interview):

    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...-josh-axelrad/

    Interview with Darkoz (Phone Call):

    https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/o...balism-part-4/

  12. #8292
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Top interviewers to question Michel would be in order 1- Druff 2- James Bigjohn 3-Little Munchkin 4-Jacobsen....Last but not least one of the biggest forum legends of all time and biggest punching bag, the one and only Alan "Andrew" "Mendelbread" Mendelson
    Hey, fuck you guys. JK

    Didn't any of you read my interview with DarkOz or Josh Axelrad? I'd like to think I conduct a decent interview. Can you expand the list to Top 20 so I make it? I'm insecure like that.

    That said, it seems counterintuitive that KewlJ would want to have MORE attention put on MDawg. You guys really don't understand how to make people you perceive as, 'Problems,' go away, do you? I'll give you a hint: Giving them more attention, when attention (according to some) is the very thing they crave isn't it.
    I'll throw you in the honorary mentions with part time fly by nighter Alex the Warrior Wolf. In essence you should be ahead of the Wolf now, since you've upgraded yourself to full timer, from extreme part time frenzy poster
    I ask only for my due recognition, thank you.

    In response to Garnabby, still go fuck yourself. No, there wasn't a Freudian slip. I admit to being generally introverted (with very much an extrovert exterior) and am not lonely. I'm not further disgracing a thread about someone's death engaging you in a pointless back and forth.

  13. #8293
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Top interviewers to question Michel would be in order 1- Druff 2- James Bigjohn 3-Little Munchkin 4-Jacobsen....Last but not least one of the biggest forum legends of all time and biggest punching bag, the one and only Alan "Andrew" "Mendelbread" Mendelson
    Hey, fuck you guys. JK

    Didn't any of you read my interview with DarkOz or Josh Axelrad? I'd like to think I conduct a decent interview. Can you expand the list to Top 20 so I make it? I'm insecure like that.

    That said, it seems counterintuitive that KewlJ would want to have MORE attention put on MDawg. You guys really don't understand how to make people you perceive as, 'Problems,' go away, do you? I'll give you a hint: Giving them more attention, when attention (according to some) is the very thing they crave isn't it.
    First, I have not read the Josh Axelrad interview. Can you link to it. I used to communicate privately a bit with Josh, but lost touch, so would be interested to read it.

    Second, your omission by me was intentional. I don't even know where you are on this issue as you have been all over the place, arguing on Mdogs behalf.... arguments I don't think you actually believe, but just were in one of your argumentative moods. Mdog is actually using quotes from you on another forum. Quotes I believe taken out of context, things like "You find him more credible than me". And since you have not pushed back on that I feel like you may not be the unbiased person to do such an interview. I am interested in someone that is going to ask the right questions, not someone going to give him a pass. Shackleford has already given him a pass for over a year.
    You assume too much. The fact that I conducted an interview with you has been recently discussed, I believe. That said, here is a link to that one, as well:

    We forget things, sometimes, like you forgot that you were looking forward to the interview with Axelrad---or the fact that you actually directly responded to it.

    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info.../3/#post322579

    Anyway, here's the one with you (Written Back and Forth):

    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info.../3/#post322579

    Anyway, I'm sorry, I had a phone call and typed the post in a hurry. I've actually been on the forums longer than planned today as I have a few other things I must do, entirely my fault, of course.

    I don't have to fully, 'Pick a side,' as I am perfectly capable of believing things that would benefit one side, but not the other, while having opinions that would favor the opposite side as to different specifics at the same time. In other words, I don't go, "All-In," when it comes to these personal issues type things or I would have been a terrible Admin when I was doing that. I try to be as objective as I can be and stick to the known facts as much as possible. Sometimes known facts are going to benefit a party and sometimes they will benefit the opposite party.

    If MDawg is quoting me on any Forum aside from this one or WoV, then they are already being taken out of context to the extent that they are not in the context of the conversation that actually took place. Either way, I can't stop him and I don't really read other forums with any frequency whatsoever, though I sometimes peek at PFA...but I don't think I've ever actually posted there. If you participate at these other forums and would be so kind, please ask MDawg, on my behalf, to include links to any threads from which I am being quoted.

    I don't give passes and I wasn't offering to interview him. I was mainly making a joke about not being listed as a potential good interviewer---and my joke wasn't even in response to you.

  14. #8294
    @Monet (Puckerbutt thread)

    You are right; it will end one of these days. You will eventually die and, from your perspective, it will have ended. LOL. Same for me. I'm also not a Liberal.

  15. #8295
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post

    We forget things, sometimes, like you forgot that you were looking forward to the interview with Axelrad---or the fact that you actually directly responded to it.
    Point taken. I forget things all the time. Thanks for the link. I will re-read and probably recall a lot of it.

  16. #8296
    Poor Marcusclark

  17. #8297
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Poor Marcusclark
    I was just about to comment on that.

    For anyone not familiar, I think it is fair to say many of us believe MarcusClark to be a sockpuppet of Mdog. If not an outright sockpuppet, some kind of associate that Mdog is feeding what to say.

    So MarcusClark who learned how to beat baccarat from Mdog and has posted about nothing but winning since he joined in June has been suspended for lying and making untrue statements after Wizard investigated. I mean there is a lot to be said there because for Wizard to investigate Mdog in the same manner and shut down his intentional lies is exactly what most of us have been screaming about for over a year.

    But anyway. as part of Wizards announcement on banning MarcusClark, he wrote the following "Going forward, in the tradeoff between free speech and truthful information, I plan to bend a bit in favor of truthful information. I will grant immunity to all posts prior to 2/2/22, so please don't request reconsiderations of other members. Thank you."

    I take that to mean (and hope that it means) that Shackleford is not going to go back and take any action on all Mdogs past claims, but that maybe times are a changing and the free ride is over. Am I hoping and reading more into it than I should? I guess time will tell.

    Maybe Shackleford wants consideration of doing an objective Mdog interview. He is welcome to try (I can't stop him), but I have zero confidence he would really be objective and ask the right questions that need to be asked. I don't even want to guess where Shackleford comes in on Ozzy's list.

  18. #8298
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post

    We forget things, sometimes, like you forgot that you were looking forward to the interview with Axelrad---or the fact that you actually directly responded to it.
    Point taken. I forget things all the time. Thanks for the link. I will re-read and probably recall a lot of it.
    It's all good.

  19. #8299
    By the way, it is very hard for me to even read Shackleford saying anything about free speech as I have now twice been forced to accept a truce to not voice my opinion about certain subjects and people (a penalty imposed on no other WoV member). I have also been suspended 17 times since my return to WoV 18 months ago, 4 of those suspensions for a month or more. All or almost all of these suspensions for voicing my opinion on this particular matter. So pretty hard for me to even hear this man, Shackleford mention "free speech". I guess his version of free speech depends on who you are.

    In addition, Billryan, whether you like him or not, has gotten a very raw deal on free speech from Shackleford. Again, it depends on who you are.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 02-02-2022 at 11:21 AM.

  20. #8300
    Wait, you mean there isn't some random casino in the bumfuck Midwest that lets you hit on split aces while betting 10k/hand?

    I've been driving around all week looking for it. Marcus is such a cunt.

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