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  1. #8341
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Why are you bothering to "reach out" to this guy?

    The odds of him posting here are slim to none, given the antipathy many hold toward him, the no holds barred attacks we so appreciate, and the indifference of the mod.

    It would be fun however to get that jack off to come here and start spinning more of his douchedawg imitating bullshit, even if only to watch him get hosed like a crack whore in a fraternity house.
    I thought there was a real possibility MarcusClark would come here shortly after getting suddenly thrown out like yesterday's trash from WOV. So I gave the advice that sucking up really did him no favors.
    That’s because you are a fucking retard.

    Others added more but it still comes down to that one statement, you are a fucking retard.

    You really should see if Dark Oz is hiring, you seem to meet all the requirements he uses to hire his “employees”.

  2. #8342
    Had a decent, in my mind, debate over there tonight. As always I admitted who I was from the start.

    Of course Coach quickly tried to get involved with his first post in weeks showing he is there, here and everywhere hourly looking to get involved in stuff that doesn’t involve him.

    Hopefully I made more points against MD but it won’t change anyones mind. Those who have picked their sides have done it for multiple reasons including financial reasons, as much as I wish it wasn’t so.

    In any case, it’s Clown world, Cuck world and everything Max claimed. I’m the loser for ever going back there.

  3. #8343
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    I’m the loser for ever going back there.
    No you're not! Needs to be said periodically that Wizard is either being bullied, paid off or just a fool for allowing this crap for 2 years now. The man is supposed to be about the math.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 02-22-2022 at 07:43 PM.

  4. #8344
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    I’m the loser for ever going back there.
    No your not! Needs to be said periodically that Wizard is either being bullied, paid off or just a fool for allowing this crap for 2 years now.
    Wish we knew the answer because damn, I had so much respect for the guy at one point and learned a lot from him.

    That said, if he found a guaranteed money maker in MD it’s the best EV play of all time and it’s hard to blame the guy. And is it any different than what he did selling the site? Isn’t it what we all want to while we can?

    Taking away any “moral” ground, if the guy found multiple ways to make money for his family who can blame him? No one will care when he’s gone, or forgotten if his kids benefited from his choices.

    Something to think about regardless of our supposed moral convictions. As much as I hate to say it, I get what he may be doing.

    And prostitution is the world’s oldest profession.

  5. #8345
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    I’m the loser for ever going back there.
    No your not! Needs to be said periodically that Wizard is either being bullied, paid off or just a fool for allowing this crap for 2 years now.
    Wish we knew the answer because damn, I had so much respect for the guy at one point and learned a lot from him.

    That said, if he found a guaranteed money maker in MD it’s the best EV play of all time and it’s hard to blame the guy. And is it any different than what he did selling the site? Isn’t it what we all want to while we can?

    Taking away any “moral” ground, if the guy found multiple ways to make money for his family who can blame him? No one will care when he’s gone, or forgotten if his kids benefited from his choices.

    Something to think about regardless of our supposed moral convictions. As much as I hate to say it, I get what he may be doing.

    And prostitution is the world’s oldest profession.
    Traitor !

  6. #8346
    Traitor !
    C'mon, man!

    The Wiz is just another swinging dick, just like you and me.

    He parlayed a hobby into a payday and by contract is now required to play kindergarten cop.

    His tolerance of douchedawg could be based on instructions coming down to him from on high for all we know.

    No, the site ain't what it once was but then again what is?
    What, Me Worry?

  7. #8347
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    That said, if he found a guaranteed money maker in MD it’s the best EV play of all time and it’s hard to blame the guy. And is it any different than what he did selling the site? Isn’t it what we all want to while we can?

    Taking away any “moral” ground, if the guy found multiple ways to make money for his family who can blame him? No one will care when he’s gone, or forgotten if his kids benefited from his choices.

    Something to think about regardless of our supposed moral convictions. As much as I hate to say it, I get what he may be doing.

    And prostitution is the world’s oldest profession.
    I am sorry, but I don't buy, nor accept this Boz. Advantage play is about the math. I reject and will call out any AP who has made a living or significant money based on that math who then turn around and starts pushing math defying voodoo nonsense....for whatever reason.

    And Wizard, I hold to an even higher standard. I don't know what kind of money he has made from advantage play. He doesn't share that to my knowledge and that is fine. So forget the AP angle. When a guy known and respected as "the" gambling math expert, starts a forum, where the mission statement is something along the lines of helping players be better gamblers and make better bets based on the math, and that website grows to the point that he sells it for however many million he did, he has an obligation to stay true to the math and that principal. At that point he has forfeited the right to whore himself out for a few sheckles to some clown pushing voodoo, math defying claims.

    Everything the man (Wizard) has, he owes to the math and now he is going to allow a fantasy bullshitter/scammer to push claims that defy that very math, for some small payoff? Or even worse would be because he is just bullied and threatened into doing so.

    In my opinion, Mdogs claims, now of more than 2 years, are no different that the youtubers bullshit claims that everyone gets so bent out of shape about. And Shackleford, for whatever reason, allowing and enabling such bullshit, math defying crap makes him just as complicit as Mdog or any of these youtube frauds. I don't like it and I don't accept that it is ok. Not from a guy who's whole life and reputation has been about the math.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 02-22-2022 at 09:02 PM.

  8. #8348
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post

    C'mon, man!

    The Wiz is just another swinging dick, just like you and me.

    He parlayed a hobby into a payday and by contract is now required to play kindergarten cop.

    His tolerance of douchedawg could be based on instructions coming down to him from on high for all we know.
    THAT is where integrity come into play MisterV. I don't think what you described is the case, but if it is, Shackleford should have stood up and said no I can't do that. He should have reminded the new owners that the entire website that they paid millions for was based on the mathematics of gambling and drawn a line that he could not violate that or look the other way. And for what a few more views on a forum where it is mostly the same members, so there is no new business being directed at the companies online casinos. Give me a break.

  9. #8349
    I take consolation and some of the credit, that this particular fantasy claimer, Mdog has been neutered. There is absolutely no one left buying his nonsense. Everyone and I mean everyone recognizes that at the very least he is leaving out all the losing sessions, days, including some very big losing sessions/days as happens with progression type play. He is leaving out the very thing that allows for all the high end comps he gets and only telling us about the winning sessions and days and of course all the casino management patting him on the back and telling him he is the greatest ever. As if that is the way Las Vegas works.

    While he still makes his daily reports and bullshit claims, no one even responds. It is just him. He is talking to himself. The other day he posted about how he had won so much he needed to take the casino limo to the ATM because his winning no longer fit in his "winners bag". The only responses and comments where about the homeless people at/near the bank. Not a single comment about his BS claim of winning to much.

    Like I said, I take consolation in that. Long live the neutered Dog.

  10. #8350
    KJ I think you missed the sarcasm in my post, at least in part. The Wiz threw his integrity out the door when it came to MD. We don’t know why but he did and not sure how anyone could even argue it. All I’m doing is saying he has found a justification for it. And we can’t hold the guy to a higher standard than he holds himself to.

  11. #8351
    I don't get why Boz keeps going to WOV. His final post on WOV under his real name told off Wizard deeply and made it seem like he was through with WOV and wanted to be banned. At least my final post under my Nathan name didn't look like I was done with WOV, just tired of the way she was treating me and I made it clear I wasn't expecting to be banned, just get a one month Suspension.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Zk2WAFzDcrJ7pjNB7

    Take comfort in the fact that no one is actually backing up his wishes to have you permanantly banned.


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    Wise is knowing a Tomato doesn't belong in a fruit salad.



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  12. #8352
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    I don't get why Boz keeps going to WOV. His final post on WOV under his real name told off Wizard deeply and made it seem like he was through with WOV and wanted to be banned. At least my final post under my Nathan name didn't look like I was done with WOV, just tired of the way she was treating me and I made it clear I wasn't expecting to be banned, just get a one month Suspension.
    Fuck you, you are still there under STARBURGER and everyone knows it. You don’t deserve any answer but occasionally I feel like calling out the bullshit. Unlike you, I am very clear who I am and what my point is.

    Also unlike you, I don’t need to be there so I don’t make up socks not admitting who I am. But you are a proven LIAR so what would anyone expect?

    Oh yea, Fuck You Nathan.

  13. #8353
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    KJ I think you missed the sarcasm in my post, at least in part. The Wiz threw his integrity out the door when it came to MD. We don’t know why but he did and not sure how anyone could even argue it. All I’m doing is saying he has found a justification for it. And we can’t hold the guy to a higher standard than he holds himself to.
    Back when I joined Wong's BJ21, still young and enthusiastic, a long-time Vegas AP told me that there was a very fine line between AP's, cheats and hustlers. and that anything for a buck mentality. And that the more years a player spent in the casino environment, the more that line faded until it was non-existent. Monet seems to hold a variation of this idea. I have always rejected it.

    I guess my problem is that I have always viewed APs as a bit of a team concept in that it was us (AP's) vs the casino's and industry. That is why I have always been hard on people like Wong, Shackleford, Elliot, to name a few that did any kind of work for the "dark side". I really went after Elliot for a long time. I have come to soften that position over time. People have a right to make a buck. It still makes it hard for me to trust anyone that I am aware that did this, but I try not to express my anger and disappointment as much.

    However, for me, it is still an issue, a higher plateau, if you will for a top math guy, that gets into running a forum, Guys like Shackleford or Norm, who made their reputation on the very math of gambling, to completely abandon that very concept of math. To allow, or even look the other way when these guys coming along spewing anti-math, voodoo type claims that defy the math. I just can't accept that.

    Now a forum like gambling forums it is fine. Not really fine, but to be expected. That guy isn't a top, know gambling math guy. He is a guy that runs forums....all kind of different forums. But real gambling math guys, like Shackleford and Norm, I hold to a higher standard. I also hold Druff to that same higher standard. I have come to accept that Druff just don't care about this forum at all, so he doesn't say much, except very, very occasionally when the mood strikes (a very few times with Singer). I don't understand, because he certainly does speak out on his other forum about these same kind of scammers who's claims defy math. I wish he would do more of it here, but nothing I can do about it.

    At least Druff allows other members to challenge these types of math defying claims with no limitations (which is why someone like Mdog won't participate here). If these guys like Shackleford and Norm absolutely refuse to call out anti-Math, voodoo claims, at the very least they have to allow other AP's and math inclined members to do so. If they refuse to do that, they have crossed over the line of protecting these fraudulent, fantasy claims and it is no different than if they are misleading members themselves.

    Advantage play is about the math. Longterm winning is about the math. The math is the very low bar that must be met for these claims. You just can't allow a guy to claim nothing but winning for years, that can't meet this very low bar. It is sac-religious to me. Maybe that is my issue.....something I need to work on.

  14. #8354
    Not really on topic, but it is damn cold today in Vegas. Yesterday was cold and very windy. I swear my building sways in the wind. Today slightly less windy but damn cold. 50 degrees and that should be the high. The heat rarely kicks on in our building. As long as the daytime temps are in the upper 50's, the buiding stays room temp. Not sure how that works. Last night with temps in the 30's and windy, it kept kicking on. each time, I was like, "what is that?" lol

    First half of February was in the 70's. Seemed like what winter we have was over. Then dropped to the 60's last week, which is about normal for February. We are now into 4 or 5 days in the low 50's and damn near freezing at night. Maybe this is the last har-rah before spring which quickly turns to summer in the dessert. A couple months and I will be longing for these breezy days in the 50's. lol

  15. #8355
    Quit complaining about Vegas winters Kew, a lot better then Philly. You sound like whiny hypocrite Cleveland boy DRich. By the way has he survived his " cough" " cough" 220/165 or thereabouts exaggerated BP ?

  16. #8356
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    I don't get why Boz keeps going to WOV. His final post on WOV under his real name told off Wizard deeply and made it seem like he was through with WOV and wanted to be banned. At least my final post under my Nathan name didn't look like I was done with WOV, just tired of the way she was treating me and I made it clear I wasn't expecting to be banned, just get a one month Suspension.
    You’re also banned from there but keep going back you dumb fucking hypocrite retard. Damnit, I try not to be mean to you anymore but you’re such a fucking moron.

  17. #8357
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    I don't get why Boz keeps going to WOV. His final post on WOV under his real name told off Wizard deeply and made it seem like he was through with WOV and wanted to be banned. At least my final post under my Nathan name didn't look like I was done with WOV, just tired of the way she was treating me and I made it clear I wasn't expecting to be banned, just get a one month Suspension.
    You’re also banned from there but keep going back you dumb fucking hypocrite retard. Damnit, I try not to be mean to you anymore but you’re such a fucking moron.
    I go there to check up on what's going on at WOV. Also there is a big difference between someone WANTING to be banned and someone who got banned when they weren't expecting it.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Zk2WAFzDcrJ7pjNB7

    Take comfort in the fact that no one is actually backing up his wishes to have you permanantly banned.


    Smart is knowing a Tomato is a fruit.

    Wise is knowing a Tomato doesn't belong in a fruit salad.



    I am glad to get my full posting rights back! Thank you Dan!

  18. #8358
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    I don't get why Boz keeps going to WOV. His final post on WOV under his real name told off Wizard deeply and made it seem like he was through with WOV and wanted to be banned. At least my final post under my Nathan name didn't look like I was done with WOV, just tired of the way she was treating me and I made it clear I wasn't expecting to be banned, just get a one month Suspension.
    You’re also banned from there but keep going back you dumb fucking hypocrite retard. Damnit, I try not to be mean to you anymore but you’re such a fucking moron.
    I go there to check up on what's going on at WOV. Also there is a big difference between someone WANTING to be banned and someone who got banned when they weren't expecting it.
    Because you are a moron. And living proof the Greaseman was correct when he said "No wonder people drag them behind trucks”

    If you didn’t see they were looking for a reason to ban you, you are dumber than you appear to be…..if that’s possible.

    By the way, Dan is looking to get you on his radio shows this weekend for his 10th Anniversary. You were picked by the members of PFA as the person they most want to hear from.

    Quite an honor, I must say.

  19. #8359
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    I don't get why Boz keeps going to WOV. His final post on WOV under his real name told off Wizard deeply and made it seem like he was through with WOV and wanted to be banned. At least my final post under my Nathan name didn't look like I was done with WOV, just tired of the way she was treating me and I made it clear I wasn't expecting to be banned, just get a one month Suspension.
    You’re also banned from there but keep going back you dumb fucking hypocrite retard. Damnit, I try not to be mean to you anymore but you’re such a fucking moron.
    I go there to check up on what's going on at WOV. Also there is a big difference between someone WANTING to be banned and someone who got banned when they weren't expecting it.
    Okay but why do you keep shitting on the dining room floor at Church’s Chicken? Some poor soul has to clean that up, you know.

  20. #8360
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Traitor !
    C'mon, man!

    The Wiz is just another swinging dick, just like you and me.

    He parlayed a hobby into a payday and by contract is now required to play kindergarten cop.

    His tolerance of douchedawg could be based on instructions coming down to him from on high for all we know.

    No, the site ain't what it once was but then again what is?
    I don't know, haven't asked and am not going to ask...but my general impression is that, "On high," doesn't particularly care about day-to-day forum activities. You realize the LCB network owns, like, a lot of sites...right?

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