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    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    I guess all the protesting and looting made all those Chink Virus numbers go down.

  2. #4702
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Look, if Fauci and every other leading epidemiologist has said it's an undercount of deaths, and international studies show consistent undercounts, why would any civilian decide it's an overcount?
    Distrust. Examples: The CDC Covid-19 tallying policy, Look where Hitler led the German people, Gulf of Tonkin Incident, Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment. Just because a person is technically competent, it doesn't mean they won't say something to advance a particular agenda. If the May mortality figures are running high, it could be because lockdown repercussions are already exerting themselves.

  3. #4703
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    You are stating on the one hand that we should allow the data to come in order to make conclusions but then also stating in the same post that you already know that the Covid-19 deaths are an undercount and that "alternative deaths" (suicide, drug use, domestic violence, stress) aren't going to come close to the virus death counts (and I assume you mean that they will be much smaller than the virus death counts although you don't state this explicitly). Since you already know what will happen, I don't see why we need to wait for the data to come in.
    If you have seen the overall U.S. mortality data through the first week in May, which I did not post (but you should be able to find), the U.S. is running way, way over the usual mortality figures. So I'm comfortable (for me) saying that it's a blatant undercount of COVID deaths. For somebody arguing the other side, not sure a huge bulge in U.S. deaths through the first week in May would be absolutely lock convincing, so just wait until it's all sorted out in two years.

    Look, if Fauci and every other leading epidemiologist has said it's an undercount of deaths, and international studies show consistent undercounts, why would any civilian decide it's an overcount?
    It's the only way to get their Trumpdummy re-elected. To minimize how many people died because he lied to them about how serious Covid-19 was and then pumped them full of Hope with Bleach, Lysol and Hydroxychloriquine as hoax cures
    Yes, and trump’s China travel ban on Jan. 31st was racist too.

  4. #4704
    Posting this because it probably won’t last long. Obviously the poster is someone we have run into before and has had a issue with the Wizard. Not exactly a small list. It’s certainly not me because it’s not my style to create socks if anyone was thinking it.

    But Whipper Snapper does make some good points. As Freddy would say, just another banned member on the list for posterity, just inflating the membership numbers.

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  5. #4705
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Posting this because it probably won’t last long. Obviously the poster is someone we have run into before and has had a issue with the Wizard. Not exactly a small list. It’s certainly not me because it’s not my style to create socks if anyone was thinking it.

    But Whipper Snapper does make some good points. As Freddy would say, just another banned member on the list for posterity, just inflating the membership numbers.

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    Then there's "Hypocrite Billryan"

    "Rulez aren't rulez when they aren't enforced equally and fairly."

    If this were the case, he'd have been nuked years ago for his numerous suspensions. He has to have more than Buzzard does.

  6. #4706
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Posting this because it probably won’t last long. Obviously the poster is someone we have run into before and has had a issue with the Wizard. Not exactly a small list. It’s certainly not me because it’s not my style to create socks if anyone was thinking it.

    But Whipper Snapper does make some good points. As Freddy would say, just another banned member on the list for posterity, just inflating the membership numbers.

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    Dude must be reading this board because that's EXACTLY WHAT I SAID about Aspergers lol!

    Asshole didn't give me credit though so he should be suspended HAHA

  7. #4707
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Look, if Fauci and every other leading epidemiologist has said it's an undercount of deaths, and international studies show consistent undercounts, why would any civilian decide it's an overcount?
    Distrust. Examples: The CDC Covid-19 tallying policy, Look where Hitler led the German people, Gulf of Tonkin Incident, Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment. Just because a person is technically competent, it doesn't mean they won't say something to advance a particular agenda. If the May mortality figures are running high, it could be because lockdown repercussions are already exerting themselves.
    Certainly, suicides, drug overdoses, and domestic violence deaths can be collated away from virus deaths, so I kind of doubt there's any chance of them sneaking up on epidemiologists. Have you examined the annual death totals for these things -- suicides, drug overdoses, and domestic violence so you have some sense of proportion? These figures aren't state secrets. Suicides have been going up for the last 15 years in the U.S., quite dramatically, and it in fact correlates with income inequality growing, but a really bad regular flu year still kills as many people as commit suicide in the United States.

    As far as agendas go, I think a sane person would sit back and ask, "What is more likely? That virtually all epidemiologists in the U.S. are lying and that medical examiners are padding figures and that international researchers and writers are colluding to undercount their nations' totals, and that everyone but Fox News is covering this up, including international papers and academics in every country on earth, all in the service of preventing a second Trump term for some reason, or ... maybe 'I'm wrong'?"

    If people want to believe in longshot after longshot, that's their prerogative, but if nothing that occurs (say, 200,000 U.S. deaths and still no epidemiologists agree with you and still no international studies show overcounts) can alter your position, then what you have is a religion.

  8. #4708
    Red, it’s hard to pinpoint a main cause of suicide, but I think you made too much correlation with the socioeconomic explanation of “income inequality”. Seems like if one were looking for the main cause, mental illness and depression might rank right up there. No?

  9. #4709
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Look, if Fauci and every other leading epidemiologist has said it's an undercount of deaths, and international studies show consistent undercounts, why would any civilian decide it's an overcount?
    Distrust. Examples: The CDC Covid-19 tallying policy, Look where Hitler led the German people, Gulf of Tonkin Incident, Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment. Just because a person is technically competent, it doesn't mean they won't say something to advance a particular agenda. If the May mortality figures are running high, it could be because lockdown repercussions are already exerting themselves.
    Certainly, suicides, drug overdoses, and domestic violence deaths can be collated away from virus deaths, so I kind of doubt there's any chance of them sneaking up on epidemiologists. Have you examined the annual death totals for these things -- suicides, drug overdoses, and domestic violence so you have some sense of proportion? These figures aren't state secrets. Suicides have been going up for the last 15 years in the U.S., quite dramatically, and it in fact correlates with income inequality growing, but a really bad regular flu year still kills as many people as commit suicide in the United States.

    As far as agendas go, I think a sane person would sit back and ask, "What is more likely? That virtually all epidemiologists in the U.S. are lying and that medical examiners are padding figures and that international researchers and writers are colluding to undercount their nations' totals, and that everyone but Fox News is covering this up, including international papers and academics in every country on earth, all in the service of preventing a second Trump term for some reason, or ... maybe 'I'm wrong'?"

    If people want to believe in longshot after longshot, that's their prerogative, but if nothing that occurs (say, 200,000 U.S. deaths and still no epidemiologists agree with you and still no international studies show overcounts) can alter your position, then what you have is a religion.
    Since deaths are counted as covid-19 deaths if a person tests positive for covid-19, no conclusions can be drawn if there is a spike in deaths - there can be no collation. The fact that this is the tallying policy was intentional to prevent that very collation/granulation. In other words, if policy makers/TPTB wanted an honest reckoning of what is actually going on, then they would not have put that tallying directive in place.

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  11. #4711
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Since deaths are counted as covid-19 deaths if a person tests positive for covid-19...
    I find it very curious that so many people test positive for Corona and have little to no symptoms.
    I am pretty sure the test is fixed to show positive for all who take it.

  12. #4712
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Since deaths are counted as covid-19 deaths if a person tests positive for covid-19...
    I find it very curious that so many people test positive for Corona and have little to no symptoms.
    I am pretty sure the test is fixed to show positive for all who take it.
    That possibility crossed my mind too... Scary, really. :/ O.O
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  13. #4713
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Since deaths are counted as covid-19 deaths if a person tests positive for covid-19...
    I find it very curious that so many people test positive for Corona and have little to no symptoms.
    I am pretty sure the test is fixed to show positive for all who take it.
    Perhaps you should look up what asymptomatic means and why that makes it so transmissible instead of coming up with your own untrained bullshit

  14. #4714
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Since deaths are counted as covid-19 deaths if a person tests positive for covid-19...
    I find it very curious that so many people test positive for Corona and have little to no symptoms.
    I am pretty sure the test is fixed to show positive for all who take it.
    Yes. Here's why this rigged testing thing you pointed out is better than the vaccination (if you vaccinate everyone, everyone will test positive for Covid-19, including people infected by the virus itself rather than by the vaccination) obfuscation technique - if you haul in a homeless person and test them with a legitimate test they might test negative (and so covid-19 death numbers can't be propped up with the rigged covid-death tallying technique) since it's likely such an off-the-grid person will not have been vaccinated. With a rigged test this never happens - anyone you hall in will test positive. Also it's very expensive to vaccinate everyone and there will be a lot resistance to vaccination by many people besides.

  15. #4715
    WhipperSnapper post was spot on and a top 5 post of all time. Shack has been driving that site to the ground, for well over a year now. Can you imagine if his two real life buddy's, DRich and SOOPOO hadn't picked up the slack, posting WAY more then they did in the past, how much of a graveyard that place would be.

  16. #4716
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    WhipperSnapper post was spot on and a top 5 post of all time. Shack has been driving that site to the ground, for well over a year now. Can you imagine if his two real life buddy's, DRich and SOOPOO hadn't picked up the slack, posting WAY more then they did in the past, how much of a graveyard that place would be.
    And now the Wizard must really be pissed. He told Billy to basically go Fuck himself if he didn’t like how the site was ran. While my feelings on Billy are clear, he is one of the bigger contributors left over there. But as soon as he questioned the Wiz’s moderation, he snaps on loyal Bill.

    It appears Whipper really pissed him off today, or maybe he just does have Aspergers. Note the only person to like the post was Poker Grinder, another one accused of having “issues”.

    What he doesn’t get, or doesn’t care about is a lot of members have taken him up on his offer. Not sure if Billy will or not, but again if he doesn’t care about people leaving, why the reinstatement of KJ? It’s his way or the highway, yet a person “dead to him” was allowed back. Makes no sense unless we knew the deal between those 2. Or he is just a psychopath who changes personally daily.

    Either way, it’s a big Fuck You to the Serbs by showing he doesn’t care if members stay or go. After all, it’s not his business anymore.

  17. #4717
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Posting this because it probably won’t last long. Obviously the poster is someone we have run into before and has had a issue with the Wizard. Not exactly a small list. It’s certainly not me because it’s not my style to create socks if anyone was thinking it.

    But Whipper Snapper does make some good points. As Freddy would say, just another banned member on the list for posterity, just inflating the membership numbers.

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    Then there's "Hypocrite Billryan"

    "Rulez aren't rulez when they aren't enforced equally and fairly."

    If this were the case, he'd have been nuked years ago for his numerous suspensions. He has to have more than Buzzard does.
    At one point Broke Ass Billy did 8 three-day suspensions in a row. No martingale. Teacher's pet. I haven't looked lately. Has he ever did more than a 3 day suspension?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  18. #4718
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    The COVID-19 deaths are an undercount. All of this debating will be moot, as two years after the fact, the numbers will be there for everyone to see. There isn't much of a trick to this. You take mortality figures for locations stretching back four or five years. Unless something extraordinary happened, those numbers will be pretty consistent. Then compare them to this year's mortality figures for the town, city, county, state, and if there is a dramatic difference that jives with the flu counts, then it's due to COVID. All this weeping and debating that deaths are undercounted will be laid to rest when the numbers are matched up two years from now.

    The economic-deaths argument is flawed in half a dozen ways. First of all, the alleged "alternative deaths" (suicide, drug use, domestic violence, stress) aren't going to come close to the virus death counts. But beyond that, the arguments themselves depend on the extra 120,000 deaths not causing their own spin-off deaths including suicide, drug use, domestic violence, stress.

    I examine the equi-deaths argument in three separate installments on my blog. Superficially, it's an intricate argument, but it has enormous holes and built-in contradictions.

    https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...-of-death.html

    https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...-part-two.html

    https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...ents-part.html
    The CV count is notoriously corrupt. And you completely ignore the millions of deaths of children worldwide the causation of which is the extreme poverty they are subjected to because of the economic shutdown. STOOOOOOOOPPIIIDDDDD!!!!

    Oh, and FUCK YOUR BLOG. It's nothing but socialist bullshit.
    Millions of children starved from shutdown? Link please to legit article!

    Oh and still waiting for links to violence inside CHAZ that you claimed were posted on YouTube

    Are you just going to keep making up bullshit with no proof?
    Dude, you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Its a well known fact the economic slowdown from the industrialized countries has affected third world countries. It's estimated that over 1 billion people are and will be thrown back into extreme poverty (extreme poverty defined as a family living on less than $5 a day). Its a well known fact the mortality rates for living in extreme poverty are the highest in the world by far. More than a million kids will likely die, along with adults. That's the consequences of the economic shutdown that you and redietz so proudly support.

    But you don't have to worry about American kids starving. Our poor have apartments, cars, color TV's and cell phones. Not quite like being poor in a third world country.

    Inside CHAZ there are plenty of assaults and property crimes. The occupiers have rules against filming and making videos. Don't get caught. There was a shooting last night still being investigated. People with apartments inside the zone afraid to go in so staying in hotels. But keep the propaganda up.

    BTW, Black Lives Matter, the organization that you support, is a marxist organization. The leaders are marxists.

    Now, redietz believes the shutdown should continue and fuck poor people going back to work. That's his own words. But on WoV he said he would be visiting LV in July. He's got to see about the futures bets for his customers. You see, futures bets are essential services. So it is essential that redietz make it to LV if he can to get those bets down. Meanwhile, fuck all the poor people. They can stay unemployed.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  19. #4719
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    And now the Wizard must really be pissed. He told Billy to basically go Fuck himself if he didn’t like how the site was ran. While my feelings on Billy are clear, he is one of the bigger contributors left over there. But as soon as he questioned the Wiz’s moderation, he snaps on loyal Bill.

    It appears Whipper really pissed him off today, or maybe he just does have Aspergers. Note the only person to like the post was Poker Grinder, another one accused of having “issues”.

    What he doesn’t get, or doesn’t care about is a lot of members have taken him up on his offer. Not sure if Billy will or not, but again if he doesn’t care about people leaving, why the reinstatement of KJ? It’s his way or the highway, yet a person “dead to him” was allowed back. Makes no sense unless we knew the deal between those 2. Or he is just a psychopath who changes personally daily.

    Either way, it’s a big Fuck You to the Serbs by showing he doesn’t care if members stay or go. After all, it’s not his business anymore.
    When I suspended myself and got banned for telling the Wizard to GFY and Jump Off a Cliff, I was told that Mike is on the spectrum and has some form of Aspergers.
    AxelWolf, BBB and others told me this, through PMs, to calm me down and to not take it too serious what he said about a certain gambler and pictures on his phone.
    Mike stated that I got banned for creating a duplicate account named PingPangPong and he was the only one on the site who didn't know it was monet.
    BBB contacted me through PM, telling me that she knew it was me and wanted to know if I wanted to reinstate monet or PingPangPong.
    I replied that the name monet could be a problem and that I probably should keep PingPangPong.
    So she weaved some stories through PMs to Mike and others that they needed to reinstate me under PingPangPong.
    In hindsight, I was ignorant and didn't read the rules of the forum.
    Directly being derogatory to Mike was what really got me banned because they were working on a suspension before that.
    It might of been a few weeks suspension from what I gathered.
    Later, creating more duplicates/socks and posting got me nuked.
    I still have a bunch they never caught but I hardly post over there anymore.

    After the whole incident Mike said that he and his crew had strayed from policy and that is when WizardOfNothing got banned/nuked.
    It appears that he was on the site formally as StrictlyAP and everyone knew he was WizardOfNothing except the Leader Mike, yet again lol.
    So they got rid of WoN.
    Later, WoN got involved in scandals ripping members off as they let him recruit members through the Private Message Back Door.
    They even let him advertise his recruitment for a long time in his signature.
    Mission146 had his own debacle dealing with the site and WoN.
    WoN actually PMed me a few times telling me about some mistake or play.
    I never once responded to him as I figured it was some sort of a set up.

    BBB had told me in person that Mike had a form of Asperger.
    I didn't know, nor care about that as I figured it wasn't clinically diagnosed.
    Sounded more like a joke they all bring up time and time again to rib their buddy.
    What was obvious was her and others stated they can't be around Mike for more than 45 minutes or so before they have had enough of his personality.

    The main point is that it is all about the back door PM system.
    They Lie, Cheat and Steal and operate as a group within the group.
    Lesson Learned for me though as I didn't realize how serious forum rules actually are on most sites.
    WoV was only my second Forum I had ever posted on.
    I literally didn't realize you could get banned from Forums/Websites lol.
    I never had a problem for years on Civfanatics Forum because all I every posted was questions, strategies and game experience.
    I never got any return for my kindness towards meeting these people in person.
    It became clear that people were looking for a sponsor for the most part.
    I gave away over a thousand in comp and spent some cash on drinks and pool time.
    It cost me a little headache giving a drunk a ride to a 7/11.
    I'm easy going though and have no problem giving away comp and I even give homeless people working the corner cash from time to time.
    I'm still the Bad Guy though and don't ever forget that!
    Whatever, sorry for this wall of text as you kiddies say.
    Last edited by monet; 06-20-2020 at 04:57 AM.

  20. #4720
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Look, if Fauci and every other leading epidemiologist has said it's an undercount of deaths, and international studies show consistent undercounts, why would any civilian decide it's an overcount?
    Distrust. Examples: The CDC Covid-19 tallying policy, Look where Hitler led the German people, Gulf of Tonkin Incident, Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment. Just because a person is technically competent, it doesn't mean they won't say something to advance a particular agenda. If the May mortality figures are running high, it could be because lockdown repercussions are already exerting themselves.
    Certainly, suicides, drug overdoses, and domestic violence deaths can be collated away from virus deaths, so I kind of doubt there's any chance of them sneaking up on epidemiologists. Have you examined the annual death totals for these things -- suicides, drug overdoses, and domestic violence so you have some sense of proportion? These figures aren't state secrets. Suicides have been going up for the last 15 years in the U.S., quite dramatically, and it in fact correlates with income inequality growing, but a really bad regular flu year still kills as many people as commit suicide in the United States.

    As far as agendas go, I think a sane person would sit back and ask, "What is more likely? That virtually all epidemiologists in the U.S. are lying and that medical examiners are padding figures and that international researchers and writers are colluding to undercount their nations' totals, and that everyone but Fox News is covering this up, including international papers and academics in every country on earth, all in the service of preventing a second Trump term for some reason, or ... maybe 'I'm wrong'?"

    If people want to believe in longshot after longshot, that's their prerogative, but if nothing that occurs (say, 200,000 U.S. deaths and still no epidemiologists agree with you and still no international studies show overcounts) can alter your position, then what you have is a religion.
    A hospital gets 1.2 million dollars from the feds if its a CV death. Any other cause and they get nothing. Nope, absolutely no room for corruption there. People are as honest as the day is long. No one would dare tamper with the numbers. After all, honesty is the best policy.

    If you believe all that I have some property a little east of Miami you might be interested in.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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